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Volvo S60

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  • peter7777peter7777 Posts: 24
    I found the answer to my question in #1190. The S60 does have a similar color combination as seen on page 8 of this pdf brochure:

    http://www.volvopalmbeach.com/pdf/2003_S60_Brochure.pdf
  • nickp48nickp48 Posts: 16
    I am trying to decide whether to buy a T5 or a 2.5T. I don't necessarily need the extra power, but I'm wondering if you can tell a big difference. Does anyone know if it's really worth the extra money for the T5?
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    depends on how big a hotrodder you are.
    You can get the T5 geartronic and sport seats on the 2.5T.
    All your missing is the engine and sport suspension.
    The extra power of the T5 only manifests itself if you flog the engine. Driven normally, the 2.5T feels the same.
    Problem with the T5 is that most of them end up in the $38-40,000 neighborhood and for a little more you can have an R.
  • ptrekkerptrekker Posts: 51
    FYI, when I got my Honda there was a Michelin and a Goodyear warranty in there.
  • volvodan1volvodan1 Posts: 196
    We rarely sell any T5's. The 2.4T has just as much on the low end(if not a little more), and most people just don't use the extra horses. 0-60 the T5 is faster. 0-30 the 2.4T is actually a bit quicker. The R is a much better value than the T5, if you can get one.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,536
    But don't T5s sell for a considerable amount below sticker while the R is at sticker? So this makes the difference larger than the MSRP would dictate, no?

    As far as the 2.5, volvomax is exactly right. Unless you are someone who likes to push your car hard (like me), then you don't need to step up to the T5. It is very european in its power delivery (e.g., it runs like a bat outta hell above 50 mph). Its not even a huge jump over the 2.5 in straight line acceleration to normal highway speeds in stock form, but, modifying both models will produce a bigger gap in performance. So, for around town, the 2.5 is more than adequate.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • peter7777peter7777 Posts: 24
    I just test drove an S60 2.4 and a Saab 9-3. I thought that the front visibility was a lot better in the S60 although the 9-3 has a definite "cool factor" that is hard to describe objectively. I was less than thrilled by the turbo on the 9-3. The momentary delay between pedal pressure and acceleration is something that takes a little getting used to. The only disappointment with regard to the Volvo was that I couldn't find any 2003 S60 in my area (Baltimore). Apparently the $5,000 rebate from Volvo to the dealer made them quite attractive.
  • poeti18poeti18 Posts: 10
    I am considering the S60 ( vs. Saab 9-3, MB C class). In a S60 long-term test, the authors complained about the relatively wide turning circle.
    Does anyone, who owns a S60 have any experience in that regard? Has that been an issue at all?
    If so, did Volvo make any changes for the 2004 model?
    All comments are welcome.
    Thanks.
  • avolvofanavolvofan Posts: 358
    While the turning circle for the S60 is in fact greater than that of the S70 or 850, I personally do not object to it. The only real test is that which you do yourself. If there is a tight turn that you need to negotiate in your future car, try driving the S60 through it. Do the same for each of the other cars you are considering.
  • rqcrqc Posts: 95
    The S60 has a BIG turning circle (42 ft!) and if you live in a city where the design of the roads requires a lot of U-turns to get to where you want to go, it certainly is a hassle. Parking lot navigation could be a bit of a problem also. My car has a 40 ft turning circle and that is my least favorite aspect of it. Still, I'm about to order a S60R. It's that good.
  • mikebinokmikebinok Posts: 5
    According to Edmunds, the turning circle on the S60 2.4T is 39 feet on the 2004 model, slightly less on the 2003. So the 2004 is actually slightly worse! I didn't check the S60R or other versions, maybe that is what rqc was writing about when he wrote 42 feet.

    Since 1998, I have lived in a high-rise with a rather tight parking garage, tight enough that I actually had scraped a corner twice in my former 1995 Chevy Lumina (no guffaws, please!). I was consciously looking to buy a car that was smaller than the monstrous Lumina, and hopefully had a tighter turning circle.

    Anyway, my 2003 S60 2.4t has about a foot smaller turning circle than my old Chevy, and is considerably shorter (twenty inches) and slightly narrower (an inch or so). I find this is enough difference to make navigating the parking garage a lot easier. I have to admit that U-turns are still going to be a sweeping affair, though I haven't done many yet.

    If you like the car in other ways, I wouldn't let the u-turn problem bother me.
  • rqcrqc Posts: 95
    Yes, I was referring to the S60R, C&D says the measurement is 42.7 feet!

    http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_- id=6848&page_number=4
  • jmichaelpjmichaelp Posts: 29
    Hi, I looked at this car last year, but was uninspired by the interior quality. How does it compare to the 2003 model? Does it look any more luxurious?

    Also, the handling in the 2003 felt loose & sloppy. Have they improved this with sport suspension?

    Thanks!
  • avolvofanavolvofan Posts: 358
    rqc, per volvocars.com, the turning circle for the S60 line is 39 feet curb-to-curb. I don't know where Car and Driver gets 42 feet. (Perhaps they (Car and Driver) made a mistake?)

    As mikebinok comments, turning circle is really specific to ones' own situation. Unless you need to navigate a real tight turn, turning circle should not necessarily be a reason to eliminate the S60.
  • nickp48nickp48 Posts: 16
    I'm about to buy a 2.5T and I'm wondering what makes the bi-xenon headlights different from the regular headlights. Do you think these are a good option to get?
  • rqcrqc Posts: 95
    The turning circle for the S60 is 39 ft; the S60R is 42.7 ft. Probably due to the 18" wheels. Wheels on the S60 range from 15" to 17".
  • avolvofanavolvofan Posts: 358
    rqc, per TireRack.com, Pirelli PZero tires at 235/40-18 for the 18 inch wheels (S60R) have a revolutions/mile specification of 799; the Pirelli PZero tires at 235/45-17 for the 17 inch wheels (S60T5) have a revolutions/mile specification of 804. If tire size contributed to the turning circle difference, the specifications would be reversed (e.g. the 18 inch tires would have a revs/mile spec of 804 and the 17 inch tires would spec at 799). However, a difference of 5 revolutions/per mile would not explain a 3 foot larger turning circle.

    Typically, a 3 foot difference in turning circle would have to be due to a longer wheelbase (doubtful in the case of the S60R since the baseline body is identical for both the S60 and the R) or to reduced turning geometry of the suspension (possible as a result of the active chassis).

    Unfortunately, Volvo has yet to publish turning circle data for the S60R. (And, there is no guarantee of accuracy - check the fine print about specifications being subject to change....)

    Intuitively, 42 feet curb-to-curb seems excessive. Heck, my Yukon Denali with a 112 inch wheelbase has a 38 foot curb-to-curb turning circle with 265/70-17 tires. Volvomax, can you shed some light on this?
  • rqcrqc Posts: 95
    I didn't make it up. The specs are posted on the Volvo website. Look at:
    http://new.volvocars.com/r/specs.shtml

    You have to scroll down a bit. I don't like that it is 42.7' but it's still an awesome car.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,536
    its certainly not impossible. My wife's Pilot turns much tighter than my S70. I can't make the U on our residential street in the Volvo, but can in the SUV. Go figure.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    There are 2 reasons for this.
    First, Volvo's are FWD cars w/ long transverse mounted engines.
    Second, wide tires on the S60R.
    The combination means that the front tires can only turn so far, can't turn a full 90 degrees.
    A RWD car, like the old 940/960 could turn its wheels further and therefore turn sharper.
    Sadly, there is no solution for the S60.
    You could install smaller steering stops but then the tires would rub the fender liners.
  • rqcrqc Posts: 95
    I miss small turning circles! When I test drove the G35, the MB 320, and the 330i, one of the things I always did was to get on a two lane road and see if I could do a circle without going off the road. My current car has a turning circle of 40 ft and it's a bother since I live in a city that requires U-turns to get place. (Dumb city planners!)

    I was always overjoyed when I could do such tight turns with those cars. However, then I drove the S60R and thought it was the best combination of everything else but the turning circle is huge! Oh well, it must be my destiny.
  • camydogcamydog Posts: 64
    As a Volvo owner (2001 V70 T5, 16" wheels), I can tell you that our car has to have a lot of room to make turns. When compared to our 535i BMW the Volvo is a barge in a narrow river. The person that brought up the tire size hit the nail on the head. The larger the tire diameter, and lower Revs per miles, the larger the turning radius. My '95 Yukon will out turn our Volvo wagon but will not out turn other Yukons that don't have oversized off road tires installed.

    For those of you that think the T5 is equal to the 2.4T in any way, you are wrong. Our T5 wagon will smoke the S60 2.4T, or 2.5T in all acceleration tests. I will admit that they both have the same electronically limited top speed of 130 MPH.

    I live in Germany and have the opportunity to experience the governor occasionally. I enjoy showing my boss and his S60 2.4T who gets to 60, 100, and 130 faster. We have only tried this twice but I'm confident the T5 motor will continue to hand him his butt. Our cars, unfortunately, are both autos.

    For those that are considering ordering the S60R, does anyone want the Flash Green? Let me know your reasoning. Thanks.

    Paul
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,536
    nobody said the T5 could be beat to 60, 100, or 130.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • chef228chef228 Posts: 12
    I've noticed several small spots on my 5 week old S60. I couldn't get them out. Brought it to a car wash for an interior detail. They got them out but now they have reappeared. A friend suggested I complain to the dealer about bad leather. I assume the dealer will say I must have spilled something and that it is not their problem. Anyone ever notice any problems with spots on their leather seats and any suggestions as to how to get them out? Thanks.
  • aveghteaveghte Posts: 68
    Has anybody looked at these two cars comparatively? I test drove the 2003 model several months ago and liked it very much. Is the 2004 model significantly faster? It appears that the rear of the car is slightly different (for the 2004 model, isn't the S60 lettering on the left and the 2.5T lettering on the right instead of the 2003 model where the S60 lettering was on the right above the 2.4T lettering?

    Are there any other differences between this car in 2003 and 2004?
  • jam1000jam1000 Posts: 182
    I've been looking at both as well. I did think the 2004 was noticeably peppier, and seemed to have less of the turbo lag. Could just have been the 2 specific cars I was driving. They otherwise appeared pretty much identical inside and out.
  • nickp48nickp48 Posts: 16
    I found out by accident that Volvo is giving $2k cash back to the dealerships on S60s right now. Edmunds doesn't have it posted, but two dealerships have reluctantly admitted it to me. Also, they said the 2.9% financing that Edmunds has listed through the end of August was pulled first thing this morning. Does anyone know if this is true? I called Volvo Finance, and the person told me she didn't have that information. Seems a little strange to me.
  • deerlake7deerlake7 Posts: 162
    I found that there's a $1000 rebate on FWD S60's and $2000 on AWD versions.
  • nickp48nickp48 Posts: 16
    Is the $1000 rebat on FWD S60's a manufacturer to customer rebate or manufacturer to dealer?
  • nickp48nickp48 Posts: 16
    I just bought a 2004 S60 2.5T. My insurance company is telling me that my car's VIN description says it is a T5, which makes my insurance much higher. Has this happened to anyone else? I am wondering how I am going to get this fixed. Do I need to call Volvo directly?
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