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Toyota Camry 2006 and earlier

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  • yankeryanker Posts: 156
    They seem to be trying to charge for it twice on the XLE. I appreciate the fact that they can change if choose to do so but still.....
  • Thank you for your post. I was a bit surprised because no one else had responded to either part of it. I am glad to see that this board has been restored to its former friendliness. I got kinda worried for a moment. ;-)

    Congrats on your new Highlander. As far as SUVs go, crossover or not, the HL is really nice. Maybe I like it because it is based on the Camry. Every winter I think about getting an SUV with AWD, it seems like it would be safer and more confidence inspiring in bad weather. Plus the utility would be nice as well.

    Since we are in the Camry forum, I'll shift back to an on-topic post. Like your wife, there are a lot of things on my Camry that I like, but I do wish I had gotten some more luxury features. I plan to remedy that with my next vehicle.

    Please keep me posted on how you like your HL. I read the HL forum also, so I can read your comments and respond there on the HL subject.

    SilverCrown

    ** 2000 LE V6 with approx. 35,000 miles and still going strong **
  • rutger3rutger3 Posts: 361
    Cliffy, point well taken. My opinion is based on driving an average of 35,000 miles/year in New Jersey for the last 30 years without an incident of theft. I do visit NYC and PHILLY. Perhaps I have just been lucky,but it seems that many people spend $700 on what is basically an insurance policy against theft. Why then do we also pay for this through our auto insurance. Needless to say auto insurance in N.J. is very high. Now if you live in NYC or Newark then it may be worthwhile as the theft rates there are high. However,many people like myself live in the suburbs where the theft rates are very low and lojack does not prorate their prices based on where you live or work which they should. It would be interesting to find the actual percentage of vehicles stolen on cars equipped with lojack. Not every product works this way, lojack is kind of unique. I believe that the biggest winners of this product are the local police departments, the lojack company, and the insurance companies. Window etching is another item where the value is well below what you pay for it. I am not saying that lojack doesn't work, it does,but the price IMO is too high.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    I completely agree on the etching thing. That really is a waste. At least with Lojack, you are getting a service. I'll not belabor the Lojack thing because this isn't the correct forum for it but I do want to point out something. Driving as many miles as you do, you are VERY exposed to financial loss in the event of theft if you still owe a balance on your loan. Your insurance company will only pay replacement value for a stolen car and replacement value on a high mileage car is fairly low. If you still owe a balance, the amount you get from insurance will probably leave you owing more money. With LoJack, you have a much higher chance of a recovery and therefore not having to pay off a loan. GAP insurance will accomplish the same thing but in a different way.

    I'm off my soap box now.
  • kybillkybill Posts: 44
    Your Camry is at @ the same mileage as my wife's and so far we've had no issues other than she likes to curb tires and she's hard on brakes. Aside from routine maintenance as specified in the owner's manual and checking tire pressure, it's been pretty much gas it and go. I expect it to last many years and it will probably be handed down to our next teen driver(ouch).

    Your comment about the HL being on the Camry platform is right on point. The HL honestly handles as smoothly as the car, without any of that SUV lean and rough ride.

    Catch my post to your attention on the HL board.
  • color except Catalina Blue? I called my dealership yesterday to order some(figured that was a smart thing to do) and was told that they come in every color except that one. I really wanted to have that color so that they would match and be less noticeable - will black look okay?
  • The tires that came on my 2003 Camry are Bridgestone's and they are not acceptable for New England winter weather. I am told by the dealership that all the Camry's come with these tires. I am really upset that I just spent so much for a car that I can't drive without replacing the tires. I think TOYOTA should be putting all weather tires on the Camry's being sold in New England. If I had know the car was came with tires that are not acceptable for driving in the winter in New England I would not have purchased the car. I recommend anyone considering purchasing an 2003 Camry, check the tires before you buy, especially if you live in New England. TOYOTA will be hearing from me. I am not going to pay for tires when I have only had the car for 3 months. The tires that came on the car should be good for at least a year and should be safe in all weather conditions. These tires are not safe for snow and are questionable in rain.
  • bought the car? If I lived up north, knowing what the weather is like that is something that I would have most definitely looked into.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    those Bridgestones ARE four-season tires. Surely, if they stink in the snow the fault lies with Bridgestone, not Toyota?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • xbbusterxbbuster Posts: 145
    Who put the Bridgestones on the car? The owner, Bridgestone or Toyota? Also, does anyone know the torque specs in foot/lbs. for 16" alloy wheel lug nuts for an '02 V6?
  • My wife and I own a 1987 Camry with 169,000 miles and a 1999 Camry with 49,000 miles. I think the Camry is a great value, and the reliability is almost flawless.

    We have always done the recommended maintenance every 15,000 miles, per manufacturer guidelines. We've always had Toyota dealers perform this work, even though their per hour charges are much higher than non-dealer mechanics.

    We recently had the 45,000 mile maintenance done on our 1999 Camry. They changed the oil and filter, and rotated the tires. The rest of the work was just inspection, which found no problems. I can't recall a Toyota mechanic EVER finding any problems during all the inspections we've had done as part of the scheduled maintenance work.

    My question: is it really necessary to have a Toyota mechanic do this expensive inspection work, especially since they never find anything? I go to a Firestone shop for simple maintenance (oil changes, tire totations, etc.). This shop has given me reason to trust them, and they don't charge for inspections, just for work actually done. Would going to the less expensive mechanic for scheduled maintenance make more sense?

    I appreciate any informed opinions that are posted here.
  • ficklefickle Posts: 98
    I have an 02 Camry and for now, I have and plan to go to the dealer to get my servicing even though I know it costs more. I have 2 reasons.
    1. If anything goes wrong, (sludge, etc.)I can always prove that I had things done by them and they (Toyota) will be responsible.
    2. I figure if I take the cost of the service and average it out, it's not too much per day. It's worth it to me to pay it.
    Once my car is out of the warranty period and I feel it's not "new car" I'll take it to someone cheaper.
    Just my two cents....
  • I always thought that GAP insurance was only used when you leased a car. Has that changed to straight financing as well? Is it a new "trend"?

    Last year, I refinanced my car from a lease/loan hybrid program (that was not to my advantage in the long run, I won't do that again) and to get a lower interest rate. They offered me the GAP coverage and I took it because it was only a few dollars per month which was worth it for the extra protection. At the time, I found it a bit of a surprise, but thought it was because of my special circumstances of refinancing this loan (which I had never done before).

    Then I see this discussion, so it seems as if GAP coverage is not just for leasing any more. It makes sense because the principle can still apply if your vehicle gets stolen or totaled early in the loan period, I just didn't realize it was as much of a factor for loans as it is for leases. Cliffy, can you clarify this for me? Or anyone else can respond as well. Thanks.
  • The car was sent from the manufacturer with the Bridgestone tires on it. I bought the car in Septemeber. Obviously hind-sight is 20/20. I'd just like future potential Camry buyers to make sure they check the tires before they purchase the car, because if you are like me and don't know that much about tires, you'll want to do your research and know that the Bridgestone tires that come on the car are of no use to you in the snow. Zero traction. All-weather must be a very loose term.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    GAP became available on retail financing about 6 or 7 years ago. it makes sense because with longer term financing, it is just as easy to be up side down on a loan as it is on a lease.
  • So this is a relatively recent change. And it makes a lot of financial sense too.

    Thanks for the quick response!! :-)
  • toyotakentoyotaken Posts: 897
    There is a discussion on one of the other boards about snow/ice driving conditions and the best tires to use in them. "all season" is a very loose term for tires from ANY manufacturer. If you live in New England where you get significant snow, you should invest in a good set of snow specific tires anyway as NO all season tire will give the same level of performance on snow and ice.
  • Toyota says installation of any non-Toyota parts would void the warranty. If so, this would be ridiculous. What if we use a different oil filter? Also, do we need to show the dealership the record of proper maintanence for warranty purposes? If we DIY, what do we show? Please advise. I just got a '03 Camry.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    Aftermarket parts do void the warranty of the parts that they impact. For example, if you put an aftermarket alarm on the car and the starter stops working because of the wiring, it isn't covered.

    The same can apply to the oil filter. Most filters you can buy do comply with manufacturer requirements for filtering oil. If however, the filter breaks and becomes clogged and engine damage occurs, Toyota can't be held responsible for the damage.
  • xbbusterxbbuster Posts: 145
    Toyota oil filters are about six bucks at the dealer's parts dept. They're not the same as the filter that came on the car when you bought it, but it's not a Fram either. If you change your oil
    at three thousand miles or less there should be no worry about oil sludge. Besides you'll have the dated receipt for the filter.
  • I just thought I would give my opionion of the extended warranty.
    I have been the owner of several used car lots over the years and I have found out first hand of the importance of an extended warranty.
    Let me start off by saying that the majority of both new and used company employee's who plan on keeping their vehicles for 100,000 miles do end up buying the extended warranty and the best way to purchase a new toyota is to bye only the Platinum 0 deductable original mfg. warranty and from that point on only do all the mfg. required maintanance and pass on all the dealer suggested maintance and by doing so the savings on these unneccessary services will pay for your warranry as well as put over 1000 dollars cash in your pocket and still have a vehicle which is coverered for almost all non maintenance defects for 100,000 miles....along with a free loaner car whenever your car needs warranty repair.
    I have never owned a new personal car without the extended warranty and believe me I ended up way ahead each and every time.
    I paid under $1000.00 dollars for the 100,000 mile 6 years platinum 0 deductable warranty.
  • rubicon52rubicon52 Posts: 191
    It's pretty widely known that most manufacturers (except for some luxury cars) fit their new cars with cheap tires. A few dollars saved per tire multiplied by 4 multiplied by a large number of cars adds up to a big dollar number. Also, when was the last time you heard someone say that their new car purchase was influenced by the OEM tires? The original tires on my Tacoma were so bad that I didn't have to wait for winter to lose traction. Rain in July would cause the drive wheels to break loose accelerating away from a stop sign. One good thing about crappy tires is that they tend to wear out fast and then you can get something decent.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    I realize they are not great tires, but they are not total crap either. Bridgestone is a fairly middle-of-the-road brand. Certainly, if you live in a snowy place, you should have a separate set of winter tires for best traction.

    All-season M+S tires just means that 25% of the tread space is open so that they can plow through more snow, mud, rain, whatever.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • rutger3rutger3 Posts: 361
    IMO extended warranties are usually not worth the money you pay for them,but if I was a car mfg I would love this item. The Mfg's make a ton of money on these items as most people will not use them,it is merely an insurance policy. I wish Toyota and all others would release data showing the percentage of owners actually using the warranty. Now if you are unlucky enough to have to use it then it will be worth it,especially if the engine/tran goes. If you purchase certain cars like a KIA or some American makes then the chances of using it are greater then if you bought a Honda or Toyota.Keep this in mind, the most expensive items are already covered for 60,000 miles. Many people sell their vehicles before the warranty kicks in, and most dealers are not going to give you much more for your car on trade just because you have the EW. Yes there are some people who will benefit from these but not many. If Toyota were to sell 500,000 warranties at $700 each they would bring in $350 million dollars. They could then pay for new transmissions on 100,000 of them at$3000 each and still come out way ahead.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    I too wish the manufacturers would release that data. The last training meeting I was at, they claimed it was over 80% had some type of claim. Without counting extended warranties, our dealership did over $1 million in warranty claims last year.

    You are correct that it is a value judgment. Just because somebody makes money on it, does not mean it is not worth the price. Also, there are HUGE differences in warranty programs. Ask anybody who has owned an aftermarket warranty and you will generally get negative feedback. Ask the same question to a person who bought a factory warranty and the response is VERY different.
  • I have a '96 Camry (4 cyl), and my dealer wants to charge $600 for the 60,000 scheduled maintenance, which includes replacing the timing bels. I have always had the dealer maintain it, but since I am out of warranty anyway, I am tempted to go to a private repair facility.

    Any advice from those of you who have face a similar dilema would be appreciated.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Perhaps this is old news- but Toyota's website now indicates that a power drivers seat is standard on LE models and a power moonroof is now standard on SE and XLE V6 iterations. Wow. Since we purchased our 2002 Camry LE, pwr drivers seat and keyless have both become standard (we opted for them both anyway). Even more impressive, Toyota has added the pwr moonroof, 6 disc in dash CD changer, and fog lights to the XLE V6. Ahh, the benefits of stiff competition... but can they frekin make ABS standard across the board already?
    ~alpha
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    I think the XLE should have had those things from the get-go...I think Toyota is trying to make keyless standard across the board, only base corollas and echos don't have it now....I love that moonroof on the SE/XLE though! Is that just the SE V-6, or is it the 4-cyl as well?

    ndboomer - you can leave the timing belt to 90K if you prefer...this is a non-interference engine, so the worst that can happen is you will need to be towed if it breaks, and Toyota dealers always needlessly recommend replacement at 60K, because it makes them some money. I don't think you would be able to save a ton of money going with a private repair shop though - the dealer should be doing this for about $200 or so (California rates).

    rutger - remember, Honda's powertrain warranty is not 60K, it is only 36K, same as their bumper to bumper. I wonder if they are contemplating raising this to meet the current industry standard? They are beginning to look like VW did back when it had that 2 yr/24K bumper to bumper warranty a couple of years ago.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • johnxyzjohnxyz Posts: 94
    Also posted under 'Camry Problems'

    My 95 Camry LE w/ 129k miles is leaking coolant. Its at an independent shop now be diagnosed with a $450 estimate to replace radiator, hoses and thermostat. Does this seem in the ballpark as being reasonable? The mechanic said the leak was on a seam of the radiator, not at the hoses or clamps.

    I called a Toyota dealer svc dept and the svc mgr stated it is extremely rare for a Camry radiator to rust out and go bad.
    Am I getting ripped off?

    Thanks for any comments. John
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    ...rust is not the primary risk factor. While it may be unusual at your miles, cracks and splits can occur in the composite radiators of these cars simply from heat and road shock over enough months and miles.
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