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Toyota Camry 2006 and earlier

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  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I'm sorry that I dont have anything concrete to add, but I'd imagine a hybrid Camry is a very real addition to the Toyota line around the time that Nissan's hybrid Altima will be introduced-- afterall, Nissan purchased the rights to Toyota's own Hybrid Synergy Drive directly from Toyota recently, and I'm pretty sure they made explicit their intention for its use in the Altima. I find it illogical to believe Toyota would sell its own technology, and then not enter that market. But of course, these are just my thoughts. Counterarguments welcomed.

    ~alpha
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    Some of our salesmen were at a Toyota even about 3 months ago where this subject came up. If the guy leading the training was correct, all Toyotas will be offered with a hybrid option by the 2008 model year. That includes the trucks.

    I took this news with a grain of salt, because some of our salesmen have been known to not listen enough, but that is what was reported.
  • We've had an 04 SE for a month. The dealer aligned it once, as it pulled bad to the left. Its somewhat better now, but still pulls a little. Appears that others have had this problem. Any known solutions to this? Is there a TSB on it yet?
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The "problem" is on the 3.3L V6 SEs, and if you indeed have the 4 cylinder, which you indicated that you do on the pricing thread, it seems as if you have a unique issue. Also, you should be happy with your price. Not bad at all.

    ~alpha
  • I just acquired 2 Camrys--both are 89s, one has the V6 and the other has the 4cyl. I'm assuming both have timing belts...and if they break while I'm driving, will either engine have to be totally rebuilt? I know some engines don't self destruct, while others do. Any help is appreciated---the 4 cyl has about 180K on it---so hurry!!! Thanks ahead of time.
  • I am unsure about leaks but have had nothing but good luck with epinions.com...if you understand what it is. Realize it is just peoples opinions...as is the case in this forum. Relaize too that CR basis it reliability ratings on the opinions of its readers....I know I fill out my ballot each year. Unless you can make the argument that people are more truthfull to CR than epinions I am not sure why it should not be considered. I have picked up many tidbits on a variety of items from epinions. With sometimes dozens of reviews on an item you can gain a wealth of info on it. Sure you can get some wacky negative reviews but they are usually easy to identify and disregard. I would guess the folks who supply opinions and read those opinions posted there are the same ones who take advantage of forums like this on Edmunds. Also note the CAMRY rating on epionion....very high. Just my two cents....
  • jiaminjiamin Posts: 556
    I happened to have saved a copy of a file about whether an engine is free running or interference from somewhere in Edmund. Engines in 1989 Toyota Camriy (actually majority of Toyota engines), both 2.0 4-cylinder or 2.5 V-6 are free running type, meaning piston and valve won't be damaged if timing belt is broken.
  • jiaminjiamin Posts: 556
    http://www.audiworld.com/tech/pix/timingbelt.pdf is another file very similar to the one I mentioned in my last post.
  • That's rather comforting to hear. Thanks for the quick reply! Another question I have concerning these old Camrys centers around starting difficulty in cold weather. Both of mine, and a friend's '90 4-cylinder have to be cranked for probably 10 seconds before they start on a cold morning (meaning 20 degrees Fahrenheit). I'm beginning to think it's normal, but I'm used to fuel injected cars starting right up even when its frosty out. Thanks again!
  • I was told that Toyota's goal is to have at least 75% of Toyota models with a hybrid system in them by 2010 and that includes the Lexus line. My understanding is that the Camry will get the hybrid before the next model change as is the case for the Hylander. A redesigned Camry will come out around the middle of 2006 as a 2007 model.
  • jiaminjiamin Posts: 556
    Actually I don't know a lot about it. When cars get old, it could happen. Weak battery? Dirty fuel filter? Partially clogged feul injectors? Spark plugs? Anything else in electric circuit to generate a strong enough spark, and anything else in the fuel line to provide a free flow of fuel...

    My 02 QX4 starts noticeably easier than my 00 RX300. QX4 only needs a very short cranking. Many times I though I cranked it too short and I saw the rpm needle went down to nearly zero, but it came up...
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    For those interested in crash tests, keep your eyes peeled- the IIHS dynamic side crash test ratings for midsize sedans are due soon. I'd guess Dateline will be airing them within the next week or two, and check www.iihs.org for info as well.

    ~alpha
  • I read on the Camry Problems and Solutions forum that a TSB had been issued.
    After reading the other posts, I'm not sure if a solution had been found and if it just applies to SE models.
    Anyone have any new information on this? Which models, is one worst than another, what can help, is there a fix?
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    That the left-pull issue is associated ONLY with the 3.3L V6 equipped Camrys and Solaras, meaning it would affect only the Camry SE V6, and NOT the Camry SE 4 (this model has been out for 3 years..).

    ~alpha
  • typesixtypesix Posts: 314
    The problem with hard starting is likely to be a bad Cold Start Injector Timer. This tells the cold start injector to squirt extra fuel when the water temp is low in order to enable easy starts. I had this problem last winter with my 89 4-cyl Camry. A dealer will charge about $140 for the part. The coolant will need to be partially drained to remove and install the timer. This is a common problem.
  • I was reading Consumer Reports 2003 annual car guide today and noticed the Camry's reliability was just average. I thought this was very unusual since reliability for all other Toyotas was above average. Do you think the reliability of the Camry has declined a little over the years or was this score based on the sludge incident I read about and other factors? I think this reliability rating also factored into them preferring the Accord over the Camry.
    I know those scores are based on owner surveys and could be biased but other Toyotas ranked at the top for reliability in all the other catagories.
    My wife is looking seriously at the 2004 Camrys so any input would be appreciated.
  • was build issues, not mechanical issues; mostly in the rattle arena. Sludge does not apply to this car at this point. I have found the car to great in most respects but in the rattle arena awefull and embarrasing. I believe the over rating of the 04 is up and Toyota will tell you they solved the rattles issue but I would not be too quick to believe them. I am still trying to get my rattles tended to and still see complaints for 02/03 and 04s. At least I have found out about some new parts of late that may quiet some rattles. Hopefully this works. I would expect the newer parts are used on the 04s.

    All in all, if rattes do not offend you, the Camry still is the place to be. If they bug you try a Honda. I am not quite so confident that the over all reliabilty Toyota has earned over the years will hold for the 02 redesign, if they cheated on plastics and fasteners and such, how do you know they did not cheat elsewhere as well. Enthusiaists here will poo poo that notion but time will tell...still a Toyota with a great past track record and an even unknown current one is better than many domestics with consistently average or below average past records.
  • I own a 2003 Camry LE V6. My rattle problem isn't as bad as andrelaplume's. However, I heard two distinct rattles coming from the seatbelt re tractor/extension area of the front driver and passenger side doors. I didn't have the dashboard rattle. The rattles lasted about 6 months from the date of purchase. During my 6000 mile oil change I told the service manager about the problem and he told me the mechanic will look into it. Since then my car has been rattle free. I don't know what they did but for the last 4 months it has been rattle free. Keeping my finger crossed it won't return.

    My suggestion to you;test drive both the 04 Camry and Accord over all kinds of road. Bumpy, smooth, (try to find a speed breaker, drive over it and keep your ears peeled for any kind of unusual noises. Also try to find a road with a very coarse surface (like an asphalt road that hasn't been smoothed over). If the car is a rattler you will definitely hear it. If you have to, take both cars for an extended test drive. Our Toyota dealer allows potential customer to keep the car overnight. Overall, I am very pleased with Toyota and how they treated me. Dealer treatment was my factor for choosing Camry over Accord. Hope this helps
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I will certainly agree with andrelaplume- the redesigned 02 Camry's build issues were primarily concerned with interior trim. However, reliability, as rated by Consumer Reports has returned to "Much Better than Average", after a drop to only "Average" for reliability based on the 2002 model. That said, the Accord is NOT immune from rattles, as you will find if you read that thread as well. Indeed, it saw a drop in reliability this year, from "Much Better than Average" to "Better than Average" after the redesign. (I'm basing info on a publication available from CR that is on newsstands only, called "2004 New Car Review" or something along that line..... the rest of us can expect to see the current reliability rankings in the April 2004 issue, which should be arriving in suscribers mailboxes in the next 5 weeks).

    What this all says to me:
    No automaker is free from redesign bugs. Indeed, this is not the first time for Toyota and Honda, and it will not be the last. Additionally, I feel the domestics and Koreans are closing the gap with respect to long term reliability. But Toyota/Honda still remain on top.

    ~alpha
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    Yes, the reason reliability dropped to average was the rattles, which most people get fixed under warranty or they ignore. If you look at the "other" car, you'll see transmission problems, alignment, some rattles, etc. The sludge "issue" is not something to be concerned about on the new Camry, and not on an older Camry either. My in-law has a 97 (one of the so-called sludge engines) with over 100k miles , changes oil every 3,500 miles, no sludge, no consumption. For that matter, no issues at all, just an alternator at 90 some thousand miles. The Camry is the very quiet and rides very nice, IMHO, compared to the other car. The other one is "sportier", if that's what you like. Test both, pick the one you like.
  • if only it were that simple!
  • 18fan18fan Posts: 147
    Just curious.....

    Have you heard any news regarding whether Toyota will make ABS brakes standard equipment across the entire Camry lineup for the 05 model year? I'm really surprised they did not do this with the 04 model, especially considering that Honda made ABS standard across the Accord line with the 03 redesign.

    --18fan
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Sorry to report, 18fan.

    ~alpha
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    Are the front seats on the XLE V6 8-way power seats? Is the driver seat lumbar power? Thanks.
  • rcf8000rcf8000 Posts: 619
    The front seats in my XLE 4 cyl with leather are 8 way power, with power lumbar on the drivers seat. I assume that they are the same on the 6 cyl. It is odd that on toyota.com the description of the seats is not complete, especially since most competitors' seats have less adjustability. Even some Lexus models don't have 8 way power seats on the passenger side (like the RX330 and the GX470). Go figure.
  • ral2167ral2167 Posts: 642
    in the LE the wipers are intermittent... right??

    but in the XLE, the wipers are VARIABLE intermittent? is that right???

    thanks
  • rutger3rutger3 Posts: 361
    Toyota should have made abs standard across the line;to compete with the Accord,and because from a safety point it is the right thing to do. By the way, since it is a family car, side curtain air bags should also be standard. When will they get it?
  • jiaminjiamin Posts: 556
    Both Toyota home page and Edmunds show that LE also has VARIABLE intermittent windshield wiper.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    For reference, an 8 way power drivers seat is standard on all models, and ALL XLEs (4 and V6) get the same for the passenger side. Variable intermittent wipers are standard on all models.

    Since they are more expensive, Id like to see Toyota add side-curtains as standard equipment and hold the line on pricing, and leave the ABS as the $300 option. Of course, it would be great to get both with no substantial price increase, but only time will tell if any of our wishes are granted!!

    ~alpha
  • ral2167ral2167 Posts: 642
    what i mean by "variable" wipers is that the speed can be continuously adjusted incremetally from slow to fast-- like on my honda accord....

    it seems on the LE there's an intermittent wiper selection-- but it's "fixed"-- you can't adjust how intermittant it is.

    is this true? and is it different on the XLE??
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