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Toyota Camry 2006 and earlier

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  • Here is how Toyota will respond to the 03 Accord next year with the 04 Camry ( based on some reports )

    1) new 3.3 V6 bet. 225 & 240HP, 4 stays the same
    2) more audio options including MP3 player
    3) more standard features in both LE & XLE
    4) slight change to front & rear , perhaps like the Camry sold in some Asian countries, take a look at Toyota's Thailand website http://www.toyota.co.th/thai/showroom/camry/360_ext.asp exterior
    http://www.toyota.co.th/thai/showroom/camry/360_int.asp interior

    it looks like these designs are "tested" in those countries before coming here

    5) HID lights optional on XLE
    6) LED instruments ( opitron lighting like on most Lexus vehicles ) on the XLE

    the new engine is confirmed, everything else is questionable but a strong possibility.
  • I am willing to consider the 2003 Accord vs 2003 Camry, but the sticky point is that there is NOT even an option to choose side curtain airbag for all 2003 Accord except EX-V6 (standard equipment).

    It seems that Honda believes only "rich" people who can afford the most expensive deserve better protection. What a pitty.
  • I'm reading too many paint chip stories to feel comfortable about this car now.

    I drive anywhere from 45-60 miles each day, all city driving. If the paint is going to look bad that quickly, I'll avoid a new model.
  • I would think Toyota would save such drastic changes for 2005, but I guess not if the Accord eats into its sales.
  • Do these reports of changes to the '04 Camry (aside from the engine) come from a reputable source or are they just speculation and somebody's wish list?
  • 3.3 V6 engine - confirmed for 04 Camry

    More Audio options including MP3 & satellite radio - strong possibility based on the fact that the new Accord offers these options now ( speculation from industry source )

    minor changes to front/rear - based on Camrys available in Asia , normal response from Toyota to keep the Camry "fresh" / LED lighting also available now on Asian Camrys

    HID lights - pure speculation but Nissan already offers them on the Altima 3.5 ( for 1 year )

    Right now this "list" is partly a wish list created by industry sources & other people so Toyota may decide that there is no need to respond to the Accord ( with the exception of the new engine ), very unlikely as it may be

    God Bless the Victims & their families on this day of great sorrow & reflection from this native New Yorker who witnessed that horrible day in person.
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 853
    Yes, September 11 was a horrible day for all of us who watched it on TV. It is something we will never forget. I can only imagine how horrible it must have been for you and others who were there. My sincere sympathy goes out to all the families and friends that lost loved ones. I pray that God will never let something this horrible ever happen again.
  • my2002 camry xle has a noise vibration in the passanger door area,has anyone have this problem and what is making that noise?
  • See Camry PROBLEMS section post number 989....I have the same problem and think I identified the problem...not sure what can be done.
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    it's a pitty how the camry does in crash test results.
  • I am wondering how reliable/reproducible all the crash test results are.

    Anyone know if they have done tests to demonstrate that they can get the same result after crashing two identical vehciles?

    My concern is that since Camry and ES300 have very similar structure, is it possible that the poor result for Camry side impact is just one time deviation? Could it be a much better result if they crash test another one?

    Anyone in the science field knows that every experiement has its limitation and experiment results have a normal distribution profile, which means there will be outliers.

    Anyone can comment on this?
  • wmquanwmquan Posts: 1,817
    The Camry that NHTSA tested was not equipped with side airbags, while the ES300 had them. That alone can make some difference in the test. Though it is surprising that the difference is that much.

    Crash test results usually are reproducible, from what I understand. At worse you might see a one-star difference but that's debatable. E.g. the European offset frontal crash test results usually are quite similar in overall scores to the IIHS offset frontal crash test. I haven't sat down and compared the European (www.euroncap.com) side impact tests with the NHTSA's (and they have not tested a new-generation Camry yet, either).

    Eventually NHTSA will test a Camry with a side airbag, but we don't know when.
  • rutger3rutger3 Posts: 361
    I wish people would understand more about where cars are actually made before calling them 'foreign' cars. The Camry is built in the USA by US workers. It is sold by US Salespeople, serviced by US mechanics. Many of its parts come from US Manufacturers. A very small percentage of the price of a Camry ends up in Japan. Toyota employs thousands of Americans at it's factories,distribution centers,dealers, and US Corporate Headquarters. IMO, my Camry is an American car.
    Honda, like other Mfg's could care less about the safety of its buyer's, otherwise they would make side air bags standard across the line. It is absurd that a safety item is optional. Until they are forced to add these by the government or more people complain, they will not change. It is only from a sales viewpoint they decide not to add them as standard equipment. If they could remove front airbags, headrests, and crumple zones to lower the sticker price they would.
  • I missed soemthing...My 2002 Camry did not come standard with side air-bags nor did it come standard with anti-lock brakes...both saftey features. Are you saying the Honda does not even offer the side airbags?

    As for the American Camry...everything you say is true but an overlooked important fact is that it likely was DESIGNED over seas....where quality of components obviously demands a higher priority than American designs. Was it not Iococa once said something like 'Americans could care less if the door handle falls off...they want cheap cars'. I have no doubt we can construct anything here. We can design just as well as anywhere else too. Quite simply the American designs (IMO) are designed with a lower cost up front and higher maint. costs in the end. My guess is you likely spend the same amount on a 2002 Camry as you would a 2002 Taurus after 5 years. It's just that you pay more up front for your Camry and have less trips to the dealer for service. May be I'm wrong....
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    ...as standard on all the EX cars for '03, and optional on LXs.

    Head [side curtain] bags are only available on the EX V6, but I would look for that to change in subsequent model years. There is the perception on the part of the corporate marketing types [just ask anyone at GM] that the American public is loath to pay extra for safety items on cars under $25k. You may disagree, and I do, but that perception is what drives these kinds of product decisions.

    I see no significant difference in the dedication of Honda and Toyota to safety issues. All '03 Accords are now ABS equipped, for example, while side curtain bags are more available on the Camry...tomato, tomahto...
  • One can at least chooce Camry with BOTH side AND curtain airbags.

    Except EX-V6, one do NOT even get the choice to pick a curtain airbag. (Yes, side bag is stanard, I believe).

    On Camry, side and curtain airbag together cost only about $430, that is about the same price as alloy wheels. IMHO, that will be mony well spend.
  • rutger3rutger3 Posts: 361
    I do find it ironic that on many cars an ash tray is standard,but not a side airbag. The comment on perception that most people hate to spend for safety items on cars under 25k has some validity,but most families desire these items and the Camry is a family car. I believe that a consumer who does not want an airbag would still purchase one with them especially if it is included in the sticker price; but the reverse may not be true thus costing the Mfg a sale. If the Camry base price were $250 more with the side bags they would probably sell just as many of them. Also, why would ABS be standard on many cars if people don't want to pay for them? I think a good example of a new safety item being added by the mfg without effecting the price was the inside trunk escape latch.
  • manamalmanamal Posts: 434
    what is up with the two star front seat side impact rating? I am about to buy a camry, but this is causing me to rethink....
  • ahossaahossa Posts: 152
    I read earlier in the year that Toyota and Honda are dead set on producing a camry and Accord under $20,000 so they have to leave out some things. I understand their pricing philosophy but I don't know why they don't offer a package as Nissan does on the Altima on the Base car.Nissan charges $799.00
  • manamalmanamal Posts: 434
    what is up with the two star front seat side impact rating? I am about to buy a camry, but this is causing me to rethink....
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