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Sorry to be a downer, but I think Toyota has taken a big step backwards with this car. Once the novelty wears off and the early adopters go away, will it still be a big seller? Frankly, I tend to doubt it.
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
1. Do you find that the spoiler on the SE looks out of place on what is essentially a family sedan?
2. Do you find the suspension on the XLE too soft? It wouldn't be a handful on, say, the Sea-to-Sky Highway, would it?
3. The XLE comes with a factory keyless entry/security system. What features does it have? What I look for are: easy-to-spot flashing LED, auto re-arm, audible beeps/chirps for arming and disarming, glass-break sensor, trunk release.
4. How does the plastic grill on the XLE look in the flesh? In photos, I really like the chrome accent on the SE grill.
5. How does the JBL stereo sound? Are there steering wheel controls for the stereo on the XLE?
6. How does the rear sunshade work?
7. Are heated side mirrors standard?
Thanks in advance for any input you can offer.
The rear sunshade is a manual pull-down shade, I think.
I don't know if the SE 4-cylinder is available in Canada, but it's a good alternative to the SE-V6. It also comes available with most, if not all, of the SE-V6's optional equipment. You must be looking into the XLE with the 4-cyl, because the XLE-V6 cost more than an SE-V6.
You could also check the Toyota website for more details.
-RAVvie4me
The rear shade is definitely manual (it's automatic in the Lexus ES300). I did not find the suspension of the XLE too soft (The Avalon is too soft) but that's a matter of personal preferences!
I don't remember about the security system characteristics. However, there is a trunk release button on the remote.
The plastic grill looked ok. However, it felt a bit too lightly built when I opened the hood.
Pat.
Honestly, my 2000 Camry LE looks better.
I didn't test drive the LE or XLE. I knew I couldn't afford the XLE and I knew the LE was a little "too base". I also had sworn I wouldn't buy a Camry because EVERYONE has one here but I did test drive it after the Highlander because I just wanted to make sure I didn't have any regrets later. I loved the suspension because it doesn't feel "too sedan-y" and the interior was what sold me. (Love my "technical" words!). I decided on the Camry because in 10 years, I thought I might be tired of the Highlander and thought I could grow old more gracefully with the Camry.
As I drive it now, though, other people have mentioned the spoiler. I can't see out the back very well so I'm very careful backing up. (I didn't back up during the test drive.) But the ride is very nice. I like it a lot. But it may be personal preference.
Isn't the Accord noisier on the road than the Camry though? I was told the Accord was "rougher" than the Camry. Is there any validity to this statement?
What I liked the most about the car was the right mirror going down when you back up so you can see the curb and the triptronic auto/manual shifter.
Side curtain airbags standard. Brake assist standard. Traction control standard. Electronic differential lock standard. Pretensioning seatbelts for all 5 occupants standard. Force limiting on all 5 seat belts standard. Telescoping steering wheel standard. Trip computer standard. Remote keyless entry standard (you can even roll up all the windows at once and close the sunroff by holding the key in the door - kinda neat). Air conditioned glove box standard (keep your refreshments cool). 180 hp engine standard. Height adjustable drivers seat standard (try that if the sunroof is a problem - or don't order the sunroof) Fog lights standard. Front fender blinkers standard. Anti theft alarm standard. Reading lights in the rear standard. Lumbar support standard. These are just the items that are optional or not available on the Camry, it also has everything else that the 2002 Camry has standard Power windows A/C etc.
The Passat also handles better than the Accord or Camry and rides just as well as the Camry (better than Accord).
The only downfall is - reliability is just average. However with the rate cars are improving in reliability a new Passat is as reliable as a new Honda or Toyota was in the early 90's - not too bad. This according to Consumer Reports.
Sure they have a lot of stuff standard, but for the price difference (Camry vs Passat) I sure hope it does.
While the Camry doesn't technically have a wagon version, the Camry-based Highlander is a better alternative than the Passat wagon. And cheaper too (esp. when compared to Passat GLX model), just as long as you don't go crazy on options. As a Highlander owner myself (also have an 88 Camry), I certainly would rather have a reliable Toyota than a "cool" Volkswagen.
I wish Toyota would bring back "All-Trac" on Camrys to compete with the Passat 4motion. That would be sweet.
-RAVvie4me
I do think it might be worth it to order one. I just ordered a SE 4cyl with pkg 3, the aluminum wheels, side airbags, the 3200 alarm, and ABS. The reason I ordered mine was that it seems that our region is not getting any 4cyl SE's with the ABS. We are getting LE's with ABS but for some reason, Toyota is not building any SE 4's that way. Anyway, the wait is only about 2 months, and you are assured that you will get only the options you want.
It would be helpful. Thanks.
-RAVvie4me
I just saw 4 new SE's with V-6 and cloth. White with Taupe look very nice. Two had the stability, airbag package ($1,100). In Ok with gulf states add on rip of these were $28,900 list with cloth and package 3! That is price of Acura 3.2TL. The extra mile package $1,000 and the snake oil paint sealant $200 and the $300 auto dimming mirror just ruin otherwise reasonable prices. My recommendation to any of you in these distributor areas. Simply go to another dealer outside the region. Even SE i-4 was $26,500 with cloth and distributor adds.
I found the SE V-6 a nice ride but not worth it over an XLE.
INKY
power seat and keyless entry. this is before
taxes and alarm charge.
Wheels4me, is your Camry an automatic? I know fickle's is because of the V6.
-RAVvie4me
minster "2002 camry se-how much did you pay?" Oct 4, 2001 6:52pm
That said, I get about 23-24 mpg in short-trip driving in my '97 Camry 4-cylinder (I live in a small burg), about 30 mpg on longer trips on non-interstate divided highways, and about 34-35 mpg on interstates / long trips. But I keep to the posted 65 or 70 mph limits on the latter.
-RAVvie4me
-RAVvie4me