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Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall

Karen_CMKaren_CM Posts: 5,014
This is the place to talk about the recent Toyota recalls and how it's affecting the manufacturer and consumers.

Vehicles in recall include:

2009-10 RAV4
2009-10 Corolla
2009-10 Matrix
2005-10 Avalon
certain 2007-10 Camrys
2010 Highlander
2007-10 Tundra
2008-10 Sequoia

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  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,175
    Ya, Audi has made a comeback but it took a while.

    I still don't think Toyota will fall as hard because they are one of the largest Automakers in the world while Audi was a bit player by comparison.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,993
    That should make my 2007 Sequoia worth more. Last of the well built Sequoias. :shades:
    Then I bought the 07 at the end of the model run, because it is better looking and had all the bugs worked out. Looks like Toyota will need to burn a little OT getting this debacle under control.

    Has any auto maker ever done this with so many models?
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,916
    gagrice, Foxnews reports that this action by toyota is indeed unprecedented (stopping sales of so many models & so many manufacturing lines).

    Also i don't think there has been a problem with so much *complexity* in automotive history - so many "corner-case conditions" combining to trigger catastrophe.

    As vehicles continue to get more complex, we can expect further "flaws" like this, independent of manufacturer - unless/until engineering processes & maybe field-testing & analyzing field-test results are made a lot more rigorous/comprehensive across the board.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,993
    The more complex the code, the more chance for a bug to slip in.
  • I didn't see anything about Lexus - is it simply because they didn't get that far yet in their evaluation (Toyota)

    I also find it confusing that this uproar really lit up when the police officer and family was killed in San Diego in a Lexus brand, not Toyota, but yet no mention????
  • We leased a 2010 Rav4 Limited last week at Prestige Toyota in NJ. I spoke with the sales manager today, he said that our vehicle was manufactured in Japan (a "J" in the VIN number) and that it was not effected by this recall. Is that true? I wanted confirmation from Toyota, but their "Customer Experience" number is jammed and they are not accepting calls at this time. Any Toyota experts out there to confirm?
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,993
    The final nail in the coffin was the fellow that drove his Toyota into a dealership with WOT and no floor mat or other obstruction. That got documented by main stream news and Toyota could no longer cover up the fact that they knew as far back as 2008 that their DBW system had some flaws. I would expect Lexus to be included in this most recent recall. Though the case in San Diego is more likely the floor mat problem.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,162
    ...isn't on that list as it's essentially a super-deluxe Camry.
  • Karen_CMKaren_CM Posts: 5,014

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  • jjadusjjadus Posts: 3
    Are the 2010 XLE models also effected?

    http://www.insideautomotive.com/

    Toyota has two US suppliers for gas pedals, Denso and CTS. Denso pedals have been determined to be fine. The CTS pedals have a small error in design, but not critical. Toyota has determined that a small shim will cure any possibility of a CTS pedal sticking. It has sent the engineering work to NHTSA and if approved they can build 200,000 shims per day. This situation does not call for hysteria, as only a handful of accidents have happened on these vehicles in spite of billions of miles of driving.
  • Karen_CMKaren_CM Posts: 5,014
    From our understanding, all 2009-2010 Corolla, 2010 Highlander, and 2009-2010 RAV4 are affected, but only if their 17-digit VIN number DOES NOT start with "JT".

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  • It is bad enouung to have 1 car recalled I purchased 2 Toyotas this year a RAV4 & Sport Highlander. Do I buy an extra seat belt or helmet
  • Supposedly the problem part was built in Canada and only used in US built Toyotas. The Japanese built ones have a denso built part so no problem.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Not so sure.

    Seems to me a "binding" gas pedal would be noticed, noticeable, long before it fully binds, fully binds WIDE OPEN.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,190
    Is there some way an owner can determine the source of the potentiometer part of the gas pedal, Denso or CTS. That might help some people feel better since the problematic version causing this type of unintended acceleration seems to be the CTS company's product.

    Is the outside labeling visible to someone with their head under the dash, e.g.?
    Is the morphology of the item different from the other brand?
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    For many years I have wondered why the engine isn't automatically dethrottled when the brakes are used/applied. The thought originally pertained to left foot brakers, folks who "rested" their left foot on the brake pedal without realizing that turned the brake lights on. Or even worse, applied the brakes ever so slightly so that when they actually needed to be used they were already well HEATED.

    And then with the advent of so many manufacturers adopting DBW, E-throttles...

    Simple matter of a few lines of code.
  • In my experience Denso has a habit of slapping their name on any part they make in a fairly visible way. Chances are if you can't find Denso stamped or written somewhere on a part then Denso didn't make it.
  • Karen_CMKaren_CM Posts: 5,014

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  • smithedsmithed Posts: 444
    Knowing this, I would park the car until they fix it. I would be a nervous wreck for myself and family (and other motorists) in one of these deathtraps.
  • Karen_CMKaren_CM Posts: 5,014
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  • Karen_CMKaren_CM Posts: 5,014
    Got a specific request for a Toyota owner in Minnesota. If you're in that state, give me a holler!

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  • yh2009yh2009 Posts: 2
    toyota should give us money to rent a car. It is only 20-30 dollars/day for every owner and the only way to save its reputation.
  • toyota should give us money to rent a car. It is only 20-30 dollars/day for every owner and the only way to save its reputation.

    I agree, but I don't see that happening.

    The Sales Manager at my dealer said to just drive the car and not worry about it. As soon as they have a fix they will notify the owners.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,691
    are on the list of models with sales suspended, except for Tacoma. How long can Toyota and Toyota dealers afford to just not sell these models?

    My thinking would be not for long, especially for the dealers.

    The reason Lexus isn't included is because they are still built in Japan, except the RX. Why isn't the RX on the list? I would be curious to know.

    I'm also curious regarding a news article on my morning news today that NUMMI here in the Bay Area is not included in the voluntary stoppage, and will continue to produce Corollas and Tacomas....

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • halwickhalwick Posts: 45
    "How long can Toyota afford to just not sell these models?" Are you kidding? Toyota will sell more Prius, 4Runner, Yaris, Sienna, Tacomas, Scions and Lexus. I can see people buying the Prius instead of the Camry and the dealers happily selling them for $40K or more because of the increased demand. Instead of RAV4s, they'll buy 4Runners and the dealer will hike those prices up to $50K.

    You'll probably see Accords selling at higher prices too. Toyota and the dealers will survive on selling the different models at substantially higher prices.
  • steverstever Ex Yooper, just arrived in New MexicoPosts: 40,549
    Why Lexus and Scion Vehicles Aren't Affected (Straightline)

    Good question about the RX.

    Going to hurt Indiana jobs:

    "Vehicles affected are equipped with an accelerator mechanism produced by an Elkhart, Indiana-based supplier, CTS Corp. Others equipped with a mechanism made by Japanese supplier Denso are not affected."

    Toyota Details Pedal Problem to Dealers; New Supplier Sought (AutoObserver)

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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,691
    I hear what you are saying in principle, but there is no way Toyota could import anywhere NEAR enough of the Japanese models to replace the existing Camry and Corolla sales, and that's before we even start talking about the other 6 models.

    And dealers won't be jacking up prices of the remaining models, because they are not operating in a vacuum. Customers are not prisoners on the Toyota lot and when/if dealers jack up prices they will go elsewhere.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • Does anyone know if there is a similar problem on tthe 2004 car ? I only had one experience when I started the car and put it in drive it started to race and I had to keep my foot on the brake and put it in park and shut it off. I haven't had any more problems in over 2 years.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    If a sticking/binding accelerator were really the problem why wouldn't there have been numerous driver complaints to the dealers. Not many accelerator pedals are going to go from NO sticking/binding directly into FULL THROTTLE sticking/stuck.

    How many of us would not notice, pay attention to, the fact that the accelerator pedal is sticking from time to time, occassionally... where are those complaints...ignored by the dealers..??

    Sorry Toyota, the accelerator pedals may be binding up, but you need to keep looking.
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