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Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall

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  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    edited May 2011
    "..how it's taught..."

    Yes, but you must move your right foot from the brake to the gas pedal and that "time" is what is giving rise to the new technology.

    Oh, and speaking of "new" technology, there was a time in not to distance past when 2-foot driving, clutch/braking/gas, was REQUIRED.

    Speaking of which how many of us, how often, shift a manual into neutral in order to give our clutch leg a rest.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    edited May 2011
    Correct - but in the 3-foot days, the driver's right foot was used as it is now - for the gas and the brake. Not for the clutch and the brake.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,682
    larsb. Even if my car had that new-fangled technology I would still hold down the brake with my right foot until ready to move forward.

    Or backwards. Whichever I wanted to go. So there.

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  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "...in the 3-foot days..."

    Again, just where did you say you were from.... :)
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,682
    edited May 2011
    does he have any Sasquatch's for friends, too? Chilliwack, B.C. is a Sasquatch hotspot just fyi.

    " in the 3 ft days..."

    Interesting comment larsb!

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  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    That's the spirit !!! :) :shades:
  • circuitsmithcircuitsmith Posts: 117
    "Rapidly becoming an urban legend, that."

    Not a good way to put it. That implies it was never true.

    "LITTLE used torque converter, was down-sized, made less powerful"

    Got any reference to back that up?
    On most mainstream automatics the torque converter is unlocked below ~40MPH.
    With car companies striving for fractions of an MPG a low loss/slip torque converter is still desirable.

    You should keep your foot on the brake when stopped on the street anyway so the brake lights will be on.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "..unlocked below ~40 MPH..."

    Nowadays the torque converter clutch is locked, bypassing the TC, unless being locked might result in the engine stalling. It will also be unlocked for even the most minor level of acceleration, in any of the higher gear ratios.

    "..Got any reference to back that up.."

    Other than the widespread adoption of the new "hill-start", automatic braking, no.
  • luckysevenluckyseven Posts: 134
    wwest, you need to stop imagining things and pass it for facts.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,182
    "Only California car owners — not those in other states — can take advantage of the state's favorable consumer-protection laws. The action drastically cuts the size of a potential class action against Toyota filed on behalf of consumers and calls into question speculation that the Toyota litigation could cost the automaker upward of $3 billion if it lost the federal case."

    Federal Judge Drastically Limits Claims Against Toyota in Sudden-Acceleration Litigation (Inside Line)

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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,182
    "The first legal case against Toyota Motor Corp. over unintended acceleration was dismissed from a federal court in California under a judge’s ruling that the lawsuit should have been filed in a state court in Utah, where the plaintiffs’ accident occurred.

    The dismissal won’t preclude the suit from being tried in a federal court, as the plaintiffs’ attorney said a new complaint will be drafted to place the suit in the proper jurisdiction. The now-dismissed case was scheduled to be tried in 2013."

    First Toyota Unintended-Acceleration Lawsuit Dismissed (AutoObserver)

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,900
    Seems strange they would have filed it in CA to start with. With recent cut backs in the state budget the courts are getting very backed up. The last I read in San Francisco, it could take 3-5 years for a civil case, including divorces.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,873
    My guess is they were trying to take advantage of the more favorable consumer protection laws in California.

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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,182
    Well, it was filed in federal court in California, and I don't know how much weight the court would give to state consumer law. Probably a more favorable jury pool than one in Utah but you never know with juries.

    Toyota is based in California so it makes a little sense to start there where most of the documents and witnesses are.

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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,873
    State consumer laws are all over the board and vary considerably. Things like limits on judgments, length of time to file, etc, etc. I would think it would be impossible for a Fed. Court to ignore a particular state's consumer laws.

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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,182
    edited October 2011
    We can make it even more complicated since the accident happened in Utah. Maybe the court would ignore California and use the Utah laws. Or, say, Kentucky if the SUA car was a Camry that was made there. :shades:

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,087
    >Toyota is based in California so it makes a little sense to start there where most of the documents and witnesses are.

    IIRC in the senate hearings the toyota folks acted like everything was in Japan.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,873
    edited October 2011
    In effect, that is exactly what they are saying, because they are saying the suit has to be filed in the state where the accident happened. Utah in this case, so subject to Utah laws.

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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,182
    edited October 2011
    I suppose another judge could just as easily have said they'd apply Utah laws but will litigate in California for convenience since that's where most of the parties are.

    In any event, the 2013 trial date just got pushed back another year.

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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,182
    Moving forward. Slowly.

    "Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A.'s inspection of a crashed 2008 Toyota Camry casts "a cloud of suspicion" over its behavior, wrote Judge James V. Selna on Wednesday as he issued a tentative sanction against the automaker in the nationwide trial over sudden unintended acceleration."

    Toyota Faces Judicial Sanction in Sudden Acceleration Case (Inside Line)

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,587
    I am sure James Selna is a subject matter expert when it comes to cars, too. A comment there sums it up:

    "I'd like to know how Toyota was supposed to know they were in a pre-litigation phase when inspecting a car a mere two weeks after the accident? Had the plaintiffs already filed suit?"

    It's awfully coincidental. Just as it is so coincidental that this issue is so widespread in the nation that is both the most litigious and most clueless behind the wheel.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,182
    I'd be interested to known who gave Toyota "unfettered" access to the Camry. The plaintiffs say they didn't, and they own the car.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,587
    Maybe they "forgot" after a lawyer got ahold of them...
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,182
    You don't think some palm was greased at a storage lot somewhere? :shades:

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,587
    Oh, something has been greased somewhere, without a doubt. Follow the money.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,182
    "Over a 10-year period, NHTSA received nearly 3,100 complaints, alleging at least 93 deaths from Toyota sudden acceleration incidents, but has confirmed a link in just five deaths. In that same period, the rest of the industry accounted for about 6,400 complaints combined.

    In January 2010, Toyota was forced to temporarily stop selling more than 60 percent of vehicles in the United States, as it searched for a fix for its sticky pedal problem. Its top executive, Akio Toyoda, was called to testify before Congress, and the issue got worldwide attention.

    Toyota still faces hundreds of lawsuits in connection with its recalls.

    But the issue has largely faded away. The Senate this year had approved legislation to require Congress to set pedal entrapment rules as part of a highway bill, but as part of a compromise unveiled Thursday, the provision to require NHTSA to set new pedal placement rules was dropped — as were most new safety requirements sought by the Senate."

    Toyota expanding Lexus pedal recall (Detroit News)

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  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,151
    ...does this SUA issue affect the Avalon?
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,087
    edited July 2012
    the problems with toyotas and unintended acceleration (runaway acceleration), according to some pundits, was all DRIVER ERROR!

    No chance of drive-by-wire or electronics. Then they decided floor mats. Then they decided it was the fault of US supplier of electronics for the accelerator pedal.

    Now it's back to accelerator after testing two samples for whiskers in electronic parts. This is as hard to pin down as the Beverly Hills Supper Club fire cause! Link to fire info

    They are still debating over what's the cause and who did the cover up. Guess they should blame John Davidson who was the singer attraction appearing at the time. Or the aluminum wiring. Of the arson idea. Or sabotage by two workers there during the day. Etc.

    Maybe NASA can investigate the Beverly Hills fire.
  • finfin atlantaPosts: 588
    If the problem is really intermittent electrical... you may never find it. This is one of the most difficult things to find in all of auto engineering. Unless you have a system monitor after every event.. and there are hundreds of events occuring in an auto electrical system at the same time.. it may remain hidden for the life of the vehicle, especially because all similar vehicles do not have it. This is one of the great question marks in the Avy/Lexus line. My '07 Limited has never done it, it's been perfect except for the oil line failure repair under warranty. Go figure.... :)
  • luckysevenluckyseven Posts: 134
    Toyota unintended acceleration issue was never proved to exist. Something like UFOs or aliens. Even NASA tried to find any faults in Toyotas but came up empty handed.
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