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Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    I did with the 76 year old lady and her Prius experiencing UA.

    The driver, a 76-year-old woman, had been dropping off items for a tag sale at the church later this month when the accident happened, Plumley said. She tried hitting the brakes and putting the car in neutral, but it didn't stop or slow down

    I don't think there are anymore of these incidents than there has been all along. It is just now they are getting National attention. Before the vehicle was hauled to the dealership. Computer reset and told nothing wrong with this car. See ya bye. We have had people report runaway Prius for years. The Toyota cult would call them every kind of idiot. And that is the last we would hear from them. It would have been interesting to hear the outcome of some of the legitimate sounding complaints. Maybe now we will. I am sure Toyota is not pleased with the attention their cars are getting.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,442
    edited March 2010
    this discussion is about toyota.
    you can post those links on the appropriate brand forums, if you want to.
    i did read the lincoln story.
    the driver was in reverse, hit 2 people, stepped on the brakes, but due to snow on the ground ran over them.
    if this was you driving, would you drive back forward or not move the car?
  • The real question is whether the car can be put into neutral while experiencing an episode of UA. In any controlled demonstration, the computer is doing everything correctly, obeying inputs from the gas pedal as well as inputs from the shifter.

    For example, if sitting still in a Prius in Drive with the engine running and your foot on the brake, pressing on the gas will do nothing. The engine will not rev or respond at all. It is designed for the engine to be at idle if one's foot is on the brake. During an UA event, pushing on the brake may slow the car, but the engine remains at full throttle. The computer is not doing its normal job as it would in a controlled youtube demonstration.
  • jeffb1124jeffb1124 Posts: 13
    My point is mistakes happen, but now it seems as though some Toyota owners now have the thought it's the car, not me, can't be me.. Replace the Lincoln with a Toyota, owner could have blamed UA and the news would be on CNN or Fox. Yes, Toyota has done a horrible PR job. They also should have addressed the issue many years ago. But it seems if a Toyota driver blames UA questions stop by the media, as it has to be the car (it's all about the ratings!)

    I do care about this issue, own a Toyota Venza (first Toyota I've owned.. good timing on my part, haha. Had a Dodge Charger before that, maybe I'm bad luck :surprise: ). If there is a real issue with the DBW system I hope it is corrected and soon. I have had my doubts in the past but lately I am more open to believing there is a problem, but I'm not going to believe every driver who owns a Toyota claiming UA. I do know there are drivers who shouldn't be allowed near a steering wheel, but that is for another discussion.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,442
    i don't see any reason to be too concerned about driving a toyota.
    my position, which i made clear many months ago, is that it is a rare event.
    no reason to just assume there is no problem, though.
    although the story with the lincoln doesn't have a whole lot to go on, i didn't see anything referencing UA.
    i was kind of lumping you into the group lead by 'dre3, until you provided background to your posts, not that it matters other than this thread.
    so far, i am not willing to consider what is going on is covered by toyota's 'corrective actions'.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,278
    That the driver claiming UA in his Prius down Hwy. 8 in San Diego is the following:

    Record of recent bankruptcy Ch. 7 being upside down by more than 70,000 dollars.
    Record of being upside down on 2 houses.
    Record of having more than $50,000 in credit card debts.

    This guy reaks of fraud and corruption, so much for you anti-Toyota haters and your "star" witness.

    Next UA claimant please. This case is dismissed as frivolous! *slams gavel* :mad:
  • If that makes you feel better, that's fine. The fact is with this past year's economy, picking people at random you have a good chance of encountering someone with financial problems. It proves nothing.

    In fact, if you appreciate that all Prius models come from the factory with Brake Override already designed in, this one event proves the problem has to be in the electronics. The police officer testified that he saw the man had his brakes on, and the officer could smell them. With Brake Override, it is supposed to be impossible for one's foot to be on the brake and the engine remain at full throttle even if you are holding the gas pedal to the floor unless there is a problem with the electronics. The electronics operate the Brake Override function as well as having exclusive authority over the Electronic Throttle Control.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,067
    This guy should work for Toyota's PR firm or their attorneys.
  • jhinscjhinsc Posts: 397
    edited March 2010
    My general observation (my opinion only) is IF there was a wide-spread problem unintended acceleration problem with Toyota's, why haven't we heard of more incidences where vehicles are being rear-ended while moving on the freeway? Maybe it's just me, but isn't it just coincidence that it seems we hear mostly stories of cars either accelerating out of control on wide open freeways, where the driver can supposedly maintain control of the car without hitting anyone, or single car crashes? This should be happening in all traffic situations, thereby causing more accidents involving 2 or more vehicles. Where are the multiple-car accidents related to unintended acceleration? Why is it that it seems the "brakes failed to slow the car" or "shifting it into neutral didn't work", but the throttle still works by being stuck in the full open position? We never hear of stories where the "throttle doesn't work" meaning if you depress it, nothing happens. This makes me suspect of not only the San Diego Prius incident, but almost every other story that's out there that's not related to the floormat problem. Remember Audi in 80's?
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,067
    edited March 2010
    The dude sounds like my brother-in-law, (married to my wife's sister) with his finances and he drives a Matrix. What is it with 'Yota owners and their money?
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,883
    lemko....it truly does make me wonder how many posters here do indeed work for Toyota. I see a pattern, very Toyota-like. Point fingers at someone else for their problems. Deny their problems. Try to divert attention away from their problems.
  • roho1roho1 Posts: 317
    That's funny because to me the majority of posters here are Toyota haters for various reasons mainly UAW sympathizers of all types not to mention a certain Buick owner.
    It seems they are coming here to vent their past frustrations with past D3 failures and couldn't be happier to see Toyota in the lime light now. It's interesting to see how warped and biased a mind can become.
  • kernickkernick Posts: 4,072
    This should be happening in all traffic situations, thereby causing more accidents involving 2 or more vehicles.

    Maybe, it depends on what's triggering the fault. If it's the cruise that usually is a highway only use, when there is low to moderate volume. Maybe you're not hearing so much about low speed issues because a vehicle going 30mph can be braked, whereas a car already going 65mph and then accelerating has too much momentum and kinetic energy for the brakes to slow it down, before they start overheating. So there are numerous possibilities.

    We never hear of stories where the "throttle doesn't work" meaning if you depress it, nothing happens.

    You're right. The media doesn't cover daily breakdowns where cars won't run, and they are put on the back of a AAA tow-vehicle and taken to the dealer.

    This makes me suspect of not only the San Diego Prius incident, but almost every other story that's out there that's not related to the floormat problem.

    So now that that Prius has been looked at for 2-3 days, I would suspect that we could get some sort of preliminary report if the guy was trying to pull a fraud? I would suspect that this vehicle would be getting examined 24/7 and it's not going to take months to see a report. Or will the results be kept "secret", or the vehicle is shipped by slow-boat back to japan for more study, until everyone forgets about it?
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    That's funny because to me the majority of posters here are Toyota haters for various reasons mainly UAW sympathizers

    You would be hard pressed to put me in that category. If you check the UAW thread you would see I am one of the most aggressive opponents of that bunch of scoundrels. And if I hated Toyota I would not have bought a 2007 Sequoia. I have never been a fan of Toyota dealers. They are not as concerned with after sales customer service. My best experience over the last 25 years is with Bob Stall Chevrolet and Drew Ford/VW. They both have given me excellent inexpensive service on vehicles I bought in other states and used in So California. My opinion of Toyota dealers goes back to 1964. While not the worst I have encountered. They were far from the best. Just below average. Exactly where they get rated every year by JD Powers.

    That said, I think that Toyota did build some decent vehicles in the 1980s and 1990s. The quality went down over the last decade. Not all vehicles at once. I think the 2007 Sequoia was the last of the breed of quality vehicles. Most of my complaints are with cheap electronics from Denso. You know the company that builds their ECMs and other parts that could be responsible for UA. My experience is their Denso NAV made in India is a POC.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    Or will the results be kept "secret"

    I think that Sikes made a big mistake letting the CHP release his car to a Toyota dealer. The Toyota damage control people have already tried to smear the guys credibility by spreading his financial condition to all the media. That is what Toyota is paying Exponent BIG BUCKS to do. What chance is there the car will get an honest appraisal at a Toyota Dealer? :confuse:
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    Toyota has been forced to hand a 'smoking gun' memo produced by its own factory workers to US investigators probing a spate of system faults.

    The two-page document, sent to president of the company Katsuaki Watanabe in 2006, warned of systematic threats to car safety.

    Damningly, it highlighted 'safety sacrifices' made as the company allegedly put profit before the well-being of customers.

    The memo, written by a group of long-term employees, pinpointed inadequate development time for new models and a general drop in standards.

    Authors claimed manufacturing was now done by 'amateurs' and that highly skilled workers had been sidelined.

    They also predicted that the practices would eventually threaten the company's survival if changes were not made.

    Toyota, the world's largest car maker, is facing a crisis of unprecedented proportions

    A US congressional committee is investigating the crisis and demanded the memo, written in October 2006.

    It was compiled by the 20-member All Toyota Labour Union headed by Tadao Wakatsuki, who had worked at the firm's Motomachi factory for 45 years.

    The memo included points that:

    — Between 2000 to 2005 Toyota was forced to recall more than million cars, a higher proportion of total vehicle recalls than other car makers.


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  • jeffm5jeffm5 Posts: 106
    I have a 2005 Avy that we love. It is among those recalled for the stuck accelerator fix where metal "shims" are placed in the accelerator pedal. I'd like to hear from anyone who's had this done to find out if this "fix" affected the feel of the accelerator, specifically, do you now have to apply more pressure to push the pedal down? Thanks, Jeffm5
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    Are you stating that depending on what another Avy owner says about the pedal and the pressure that's required to depress it would influence your decision as to have the recall done or not?
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    That's funny because to me the majority of posters here are Toyota haters for various reasons mainly UAW sympathizers of all types not to mention a certain Buick owner.

    You are close. The majority are not UAW sympathizers or Toyota haters, they basically dislike the smug attitude of Toyota OWNERS. :P
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