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Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall

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  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    I too ignored the recall notice on that issue which I received on my Prius. It's stupid, the OEM mats can't come anywhere near the pedal. If service asks if I want it done at some time in the future, it's a resounding NO!

    From the late 60's there was a famous poster in a lot of college dorm rooms.

    What if They Gave a War ( recall ) and No One Came?
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,444
    show me the money!
    maybe all the pedals in question around the world were manufactured according to the specs? :surprise:
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,444
    don't they have a pill for that now? it's not the 60's anymore. :P
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    "One pill makes you larger and one pill makes you small" .............zoooooooooooooom, it's 1968 again.

    'White Rabbit', Jefferson Airplane, Surrealistic Pillow 1967
  • revitrevit Posts: 476
    Call it a "fix" if you like, but sounds more like Toyota is just going to be giving each owner one of these when they bring their car into the dealership instead of working to find the actual problem:

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  • Lots of important parts are made of plastic.

    Like the wings on the Dreamliner right?

    I bet if we randomly checked the gas pedals on many cars made in the past five years lots of them would have plastic gas pedals.

    Plastic does not equal cheap.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,444
    well, for you it's still the 60's. ;)
    my first album :)
  • mikefm58mikefm58 Posts: 2,882
    Oh pullease, stop posting such negative opinions without any facts to back them up. I'm not defending Toyota at all, in fact, I would never buy another one, but not because of this recent flap. Are you a Honda salesman?
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    Are you a Honda salesman?

    I think he's just a disgruntled and disappointed Toyota owner. One of the many out there right now. Just a little more enthused with his posting.
  • gtgtcobragtgtcobra Posts: 259
    I would like to know how many Toyotas that were sold in Europe are affected by the gas pedal recall? Also, are the European Toyotas which are affected ALL built in the U.S.?

    It seems that ONLY the 100% Japanese built Toyotas are NOT affected by the recall. This tells me that the only vehicles which are affected are the ones which are built in the U.S. and Canada. Could it be that the quality control and the material and parts that are used to build all U.S. and Canadian Toyotas are VERY LOW QUALITY? That's what it looks like to me. :lemon:
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,919
    "Including China, Toyota's global recall count for unintended-acceleration issues has now reached nearly 9.5 million — and we have yet to hear from Japan."

    Almost 2 million in Europe. But the blame has been placed on one of the two suppliers of the gas pedal - a US supplier.

    Toyota Pedal Recall Update #11: Toyota Europe Recalling up to 1.8 Million (Inside Line)
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,919
    "Mikel Valviva sought to return his truck to the dealership at 9150 Airline Highway, saying he no longer wanted it because of the recall on the accelerator, Lee said.

    Matt McKay, owner of the All Star Automotive Group, said Costanza explained to Valviva on three separate occasions on Saturday that the dealership could not refund his money for the truck.

    Valviva refused the offers and tried to leave the dealership, but his gas pedal stuck, Lee said. The truck accelerated forward, striking the building, Lee said.

    McKay said he had “no comment” when asked if he believed the incident was accidental."

    Man’s truck strikes BR Toyota dealership (The Advocate)
  • revitrevit Posts: 476
    Toyota's version in today's paper:

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    "Why we've temporarily stopped some of our plants: As you may have heard, in rare cases, sticking accelerator pedals have occurred in some of our vehicles. We believe we are close to announcing an effective remedy. And we're temporary halted production at some of our North American plants to focus on vehicles we've recalled. Why have we taken this unprecedented action? Because its the right thing to do for our customers. To find out if your Toyota is affected and to get the very latest information about the recall, please visit: toyota.com"

    Now the article should have read:

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    "Why we've temporarily stopped some of our plants: As you have heard, and seen the unfortunate deaths and injuries, sticking accelerator pedals have occurred in our vehicles. However, as of today, we still do not know the real cause of injuries and deaths as a result of our run away cars where the pedals were not even involved. We are announcing a patch for the pedal problem to clear Toyota's name in the media, but again, the pedal problem has only been observed in rare cases. And by law, we were required to halt sales for over 65% of our vehicles in North American. As for our so called "bandaid to be applied to the pedals" we are more concerned with getting our factories up and running first as it is the right thing to do, than to help our existing customers, which is why we initially decided to send the pedals solely to the factories and told the dealers you will just have to wait. Why have we taken this unprecedented action? Because its the law. Is this issue new? Of course not, we have known about the sudden acceleration problem for over 5 years. To find out if your Toyota is affected and to get the very latest information about the recall, please visit: toyota.com" and try to find the tiny link squeezed into the bottom of the screen which we hope you don't see.

    Jeeeez, another failed attempt by Toyota for trying to down play the severity of a safety issue with still no explanation of why the sudden accelerations are still occurring evening when the pedals are not involved? How many more deaths and injuries are going to have to occur before this is addressed???? :sick:
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    It was bound to happen. People with buyers remorse, actually worried or strapped to car payments that are getting them down. They now have a way out with SUA. I still think blaming the pedal mechanism is premature. Though I can understand Toyota wanting to get it all behind them. This is much more complex than the Explorer/Firestone fiasco. You had two Firestone tires on a specific vehicle that was involved in 3000 accidents. The debate still goes on as to whether it was Ford or Firestone at fault.

    With Toyota it goes across their vehicle spectrum. It may be floor mats or it may be defective throttle device or it may be something in firmware. If they remove the floor mat threat and shim the throttle device and have anymore claims of SUA, the can of worms gets opened up again. Add people that may use this to get rid of a vehicle they do not want. It is much bigger than the Firestone/Explorer recall. And much more publicized with media scrambling to get readers and viewers.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,690
    >With Toyota it goes across their vehicle spectrum.

    If their repair is actually shimming the spring within the accelerator to increase the return force (and make the pedal harder to push) is going to be laughable after they pretended to voluntarily shut down their factories (snce they can't legally sell the cars) so they could come up with replacement mechanisms.

    I don't anyone rational is buying the CTS company's being at fault. It worked for Ford blaming Firestone as well but only hadd traction for me because of Firestone's having used a single belt layer instead of two in the tread. The tire was more susceptible to deterioration with low air pressure recommended by Ford and allowed to go lower by customers in the rear.

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  • revitrevit Posts: 476
    Why are the sudden accelerations still occurring even when the pedals are not involved? This sudden acceleration issue has been around for over 5 years now and has yet to be fixed. :sick:
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    I remember the Ford Firestone fiasco very well. I had a 1998 Suburban with OEM Firestone Widerness AT tires. I went into the Firestone store to try and get a free set of new tires. They told me the 16 inch were not the problem. The ironic part is those tires served me well for the 45k miles and 7 years I owned that Suburban. The OEM Dunlop AT20 tires on my Sequoia are in need of replacement at 3 years and 20k miles. Horrible noisy tires with terrible traction in our latest rain storms. They should be recalled. They are the lowest rated by Tire Rack at 5.1 of any tire in that size. They are more expensive than many higher rated tires.

    Sadly you have to get people killed to get attention from the manufacturers. In this case Dunlop.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,690
    n a report released by the Ohio State Highway Patrol, Zygmunt W. Wieckowski, 54, of Chicago, told troopers that he took his foot off the accelerator before the fatal crash on Jan. 7 but he could still hear the engine speeding up.

    Wieckowski told troopers he was the only one who drove the truck and it had never had mechanical problems previously.

    But in an interview contained in the report, Wieckowski told troopers the truck began to move side-to-side on the snow and ice-covered roads.

    “I immediately started braking little by little when I saw my truck going to the left,” he told troopers in the interview. “I shouted, ‘God, no — no accident please!’”

    An initial report released Jan. 21. shows troopers said Wieckowski was going too fast for road conditions when he lost control of the truck just south of the Plattsburg Road overpass on I-70.

    However, in the interview, Wieckowski told troopers he was driving between 40 and 45 miles per hour prior to the crash. He told troopers the truck did have cruise control, but he was not using it when the crash occurred.

    The truck crashed into a shuttle bus from the Creative Learning Workshop, which was carrying adults with developmental disabilities to their residence at Vienna Meadows on East National Road.
    Well, about one thing, but not what they want us to think.

    Some have said people would start using unexplained acceleration as an excuse for accidents they caused and implied people already had done that with UA events already documented on NHSTA, e.g.

    A Chicago trucker at fault for accident in Springfield, OH on Interstate 70 blames the engine speeding up for his going too fast on several inches of snow and hitting a mini-school bus with several mentally or physically challenged adults returning to their group car home from their work location. Approximately 5 died.

    The trucker claimed he was only going 40 mph. IF that were true, he would have been the only trucker below the 65 mph speed limit that day, or at least below 55.

    http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/driver-in-fatal-special-needs-van-crash-says- - -truck-sped-up-by-itself-520909.html

    In a report released by the Ohio State Highway Patrol, Zygmunt W. Wieckowski, 54, of Chicago, told troopers that he took his foot off the accelerator before the fatal crash on Jan. 7 but he could still hear the engine speeding up.

    Wieckowski told troopers he was the only one who drove the truck and it had never had mechanical problems previously.

    But in an interview contained in the report, Wieckowski told troopers the truck began to move side-to-side on the snow and ice-covered roads.

    “I immediately started braking little by little when I saw my truck going to the left,” he told troopers in the interview. “I shouted, ‘God, no — no accident please!’”

    An initial report released Jan. 21. shows troopers said Wieckowski was going too fast for road conditions when he lost control of the truck just south of the Plattsburg Road overpass on I-70.

    However, in the interview, Wieckowski told troopers he was driving between 40 and 45 miles per hour prior to the crash. He told troopers the truck did have cruise control, but he was not using it when the crash occurred.

    The truck crashed into a shuttle bus from the Creative Learning Workshop, which was carrying adults with developmental disabilities to their residence at Vienna Meadows on East National Road.

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  • revitrevit Posts: 476
    By Ken Thomas and Seth Borenstein

    Associated Press Writers

    WASHINGTON — For a century, the basic idea behind pressing the accelerator on a car has been pretty straightforward. What's going wrong with some Toyotas isn't simple.

    Experts say the sudden acceleration problem that has put the brakes on Toyota sales and production is likely not a single problem but an alignment of complicated, interconnected conditions.

    Nothing illustrates that more than the contradictory statements from the two companies involved. Toyota Motor Corp. is telling the government that it thinks a friction problem in its accelerator pedal mechanisms may make the pedal "harder to depress, slower to return or, in the worst case, mechanically stuck in a partially depressed position."

    CTS Corp., the Indiana-based supplier that makes the devices for Toyota, said in a statement Wednesday that the friction problem accounts for fewer than a dozen cases of stuck accelerators, "and in no instance did the accelerator actually become stuck in a partially depressed condition."

    If there were a simple answer, a one-thing-gone-wrong glitch with a fix, it's unlikely Toyota would be in the mess it's now in.
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