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Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall



  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,679
    I think the article shows how the NHTSA have been incompetent and Toyota took advantage of the weak minds in the agency. Sadly they are still not doing their job. Or maybe they just do not have the expertise to analyze the problems that DBW systems seem to have. This paragraph says a lot about our wasted tax dollars on the NHTSA.

    During two weeks of Congressional hearings, U.S. Department of Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood declared that he would be “getting into the weeds” on the electronic causes of sudden unintended acceleration. And, in late March, the agency announced that it was launching two new investigations. The National Academy of Sciences would be heading a 15-month inquiry into sudden unintended acceleration and automotive electronic vehicle controls. The study will focus on mechanical, human and electronic causes. The agency also launched a separate probe to specifically study sudden unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles with help from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, to look at software, hardware, electronics and hazard analysis. A third investigation, conducted by the DOT’s Inspector General, will examine NHTSA’s past eight investigations to determine if they were properly conducted. The agency also has been consulting with outside electromagnetic interference experts from Great Britain, Keith Armstrong, whose specialty is EMI, and Antony Anderson, an electrical forensic engineer, on the possibility of EMI to Toyota’s electronic throttle system.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Apparently consumer reports has just discovered that there is a serious firmware flaw, SOFTWARE BUG, in the Lexus GX460's stability control system, VSC. Strangely it doesn't seem to be in the Toyota 4runner, the GX's virtaul eqivalent.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,451
    that's where you have to do your own 'pounding the pavement'. hope you got a patent on it.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,451
    i have been reading that toyota does a lot of computer simulated testing and a while back gagrace posted that he never saw toyota doing cold weather testing although seeing some other brands.
    it does make you wonder if anyone thought of entering the additional weight or horsepower of the GX into the virtual stability control test program.
  • beachfish2beachfish2 Posts: 177
    "The 2010 Highlander is included in the recall. At least some of them are."

    That was my point, the list is not accurate and it's at the top of every page. It does not say "Some 2010 Highlanders" as it should. How about cleaning it up to make it accurate?

    Or doesn't accuracy matter?

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,679
    How about cleaning it up to make it accurate?

    Toyota dealers are clueless about what is and is not being recalled. Better to have 2010 Highlander on the list and find out it is not one of the defective vehicles than the other way around. My Toyota dealer called me to bring in my 2007 Sequoia for the recall. I asked him what was being done. After 5 minutes of research he returned and said false alarm. He was wanting me to make an appointment to come in. 40 miles each way would have been wasted. Do you think he would have filled my tank for the trouble? Toyota customer service is near the bottom of the heap.
  • smadisonsmadison Posts: 3
    Definitely hitting an oldie but goodie here. Not to beat a dead horse, but this thread came up as I was investigating a problem my daughter had recently with her 08 Prius and wanted to jump in with our details:

    First off, a few caveats - I'm an Engineer, and have approached this in a typical engineering fashion. I'm not an automotive engineer, but I did do quit a bit of MechE studies and earn my living as a Software Engineer, and I've got a pretty good handle on both the mechanical and electrical diagnostics. In addition to the Prius, which my daughter drives, we've got a VW Bora, an Audi Q7 and a Porsche 996, and I'm constantly tinkering with all of our cars to find out what makes them tick and how to make them tick better.

    On Saturday, 24 April 2010, my daughter was driving over Hwy 17 to Santa Cruz, CA when she rounded a corner and executed a panic brake due to completely stopped traffic. She was able to keep the car under control and avoid collision. ABS likely was engaged. It's likely that the Stroke Sensor failed at this point. One or more calipers continued to be engaged after she stopped stepping on the brake pedal. She drove another several miles in this state, and experienced brake fade when she tried to come to a stop at a traffic light. When she finally pressed fully on the brake pedal, secondary braking was engaged and the wheels locked. She fishtailed, but was able to maintain control of the vehicle and avoid collision. She immediately parked and called me. Vehicle was towed to nearest Toyota dealer. Diagnostics indicated a DTC C1247 Stroke Sensor Malfunction, but upon electrical reset all mechanical functions resumed normally.

    Brake failures are pretty frightening, especially when it's your inexperienced teenage kid behind the wheel. However, I suspect that failures of this nature are fairly endemic to all regenerative braking systems. No extent of mechanical controls would be capable of balancing the engine and brakes, so you've got to trust these things to a computer. And I can guarantee you that all software has bugs, especially around edge conditions. It's simply impossible to test for everything, all you can do is document and learn from your field data.

    That being said, I would certainly hope that these situations have been heeded and improved by Toyota. I'm reading stuff here that's five years old, which what appear to be ample field reports. Toyota needs to step up to the plate and take immediate action on this stuff, and stop dismissing it as Edmunds/GM propoganda.
  • mickeyrommickeyrom Posts: 936
    All I can say is ....WOW!....another issue to worry about on my Prius.Here I thought it was only the UA that was an issue with Gen II Prius.
    Thanks for the info.
  • beachfish2beachfish2 Posts: 177
    I believe you need to reconsider your statement. It appears to have all but totally gone away.

    And where are all of the wrecks that were predicted? Are folks just not reporting them? BWAAHAHAHA. After the first few dubious reports were exposed the stories began drying up.
  • pochirajupochiraju Posts: 19
    hi all,

    i would like to buy 2011 camry LE. please can anyone in this forum throw some light on what toyota did to fix the issues it had in earlier models. personally i like toyota cars but i am skeptical about the whole recall issue.

    thank u
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    Toyota has yet to identify the problem so they haven't got a fix for it.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,451
    ask and you shall receive
    there are plenty more. let me know if you want me to post them.
  • mnfmnf Posts: 404
    edited May 2010
    Careful you will get a lot of information or views from the far left or far right here you need to plow through it and come up with own decision. Lets see for starters a artical from Detroit hum they dont have any stake in Toyota falling. Funny you never saw an artical saying anything positive when there was no issue. Get the drift ;) There is always a little truth in everything and a lot of BS depends what side is shoveling
  • popsavalonpopsavalon Posts: 231
    Pochiraju, true statement by obyone. There has been UA (unintended, or UNEXPLAINED acceleration) in some Toyota vehicles. Toyota has variously fixed floor mats (probably corrected owner stupidity), carpet (smoke and mirrors), and the accelerator pedal (bad design or more smoke and mirrors, the jury is probably still out on this item).

    Toyota has been guilty of ignoring, denying, stonewalling, etc., most of the major problems that have occured in their cars over the last several years. Type in Toyota V6 VVTi Oil Line Scandal on Google to read about another can of worms.

    By the way, I own a 2007 Avalon with the replaced metal VVTi oil line and no other issues to date. Probably the best car I have ever owned!
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    edited May 2010
    Got the pedal recall modification done on my 2007 TCH this weekend when I was in for an oil change.

    It's shorter, and there's a little "backswing" under there I guess to prevent floor mats getting hooked on it?

    See below for the pics
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    edited May 2010
    Got the pedal recall modification done on my 2007 TCH this weekend when I was in for an oil change.

    Here is a pic of my pedal BEFORE the mod:


    And AFTER the mod:


    So it's shorter, and there's a little "backswing" under there I guess to prevent floor mats getting hooked on it?
  • mickeyrommickeyrom Posts: 936
    They gotta be kidding!
  • beachfish2beachfish2 Posts: 177
    "ask and you shall receive"

    Huh? Did you even look at the link you posted? I asked why the onslaught of problems has more or less dried up and you post a link to a NOVEMBER crash?

    "The November crash of a speeding Toyota Highlander in New Hampshire killed a Harvard professor, his wife and mother, and another motorist."

    Try again if you like, but my point is valid. Out of the millions of recalled Toyotas on the road, there doesn't appear to be very many problems at all; especially considering all of the hand wringing and wailing and the way the stories were popping up everytime somebody wrecked a Toyota.

  • djohnson1djohnson1 Posts: 44
    I feel sorry for the poor guy who said he was shorting Toyota ... after the bad news of the recall was already out. Naked shorting is very, very dangerous. Toyo has tons of money, and as the biggest exporter (I think) in Japan, would get lots of government aid if needed, which it's not. Factor in their long-term reliability record over many years and the great deals they are offering now, I would buy any model Toyo today if I wanted it.

    " May 12 (Bloomberg) -- Toyota Motor Corp., the world’s largest carmaker, rose the most in more than two weeks in Tokyo trading after forecasting profit will increase this fiscal year on recovering U.S. sales.

    Toyota gained 2.7 percent, the most since April 26, to close at 3,590 yen. Net income may rise 48 percent to 310 billion yen ($3.3 billion) in the period ending March 31, the company said in a statement after the market closed yesterday.

    “I see this estimate as a minimum,” said Mamoru Kato, a Nagoya, Japan-based analyst at Tokai Tokyo Research Center with a “neutral” rating on Toyota’s shares. The company’s profit from China is growing, and it estimated domestic sales “conservatively,” he said.

    Toyota’s sales in North America, its biggest market, may climb 1.5 percent this fiscal year to 2.13 million vehicles, the Toyota City, Japan-based company said in the statement. The carmaker’s U.S. sales rose 24 percent in April as incentives buoyed demand for Corolla cars and Prius hybrids, easing the impact of recalls of about 8 million vehicles worldwide for defects linked to unintended acceleration.

    The company posted net income of 112 billion yen for the fourth quarter ended March 31, compared with a loss of 766 billion yen a year earlier. Toyota was projected to post a 48.3 billion yen profit, based on the average of four analyst estimates compiled by Bloomberg. Sales rose 49 percent to 5.28 trillion yen.

    The carmaker’s U.S. sales dropped 20 percent in 2009 as industrywide deliveries slumped 21 percent to 10.4 million, the lowest level since 1982. Toyota boosted sales in the nation 41 percent in March, the final month of the company’s fiscal year, after adding discounts across its lineup.

    Toyota estimated sales in Japan, its second-biggest market, will drop 11 percent this fiscal year to 1.92 million, while deliveries in other Asian countries will rise 11 percent to 1.09 million.
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