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Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall



  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,862
    LOL, I think once these scammers realized the cars had computers in them that would show evidence of just what happened they quit screaming and trying to cash in and started ducking !!

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,173
    "BREAKING: NHTSA Blames Driver Error For Toyota Unintended Acceleration"

    NHTSA admits that is has yet to find any sign of a problem with Toyota’s electronic throttle control system, the main system targeted by Sean Kane, and congressional hearings.
  • popsavalonpopsavalon Posts: 231
    I agree. The halt of Toyota vehicle sales is over, and the relevant Toyota recall information posting is buried back a ways. If there are new issues relating to recalls, let that person start a new "Toyota Avalon Recalls" thread. This thread is also linked to eight separate vehicles, which makes the posts even more confusing.

    These Edmunds Forums are set up to get good information and discussion on a particular vehicle. Let's get back to that.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,862
    Looks like the whole fiasco was nothing but a false alarm. Just a bunch of crooks trying to fake accidents and cash in.

    Now that some solid evidence is available I expect the whole thing to die a quiet death.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    I'm still waiting for the results from the NASA testing....
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Sadly, i don't think these conclusions are going to bring "closure" to the families who lost loved ones in "mysterious" 'Yota crashes.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,141
    I stated early on that I felt many of these were driver error and noted that just looking around at drivers the Camry had become the modern day blue hair Olds 88 or Grand Marquis. It has never really been uncommon for cars to smack into buildings or on to sidewalks, especially in areas with older drivers. If you read the papers around the country you'll see articles about these type of incidents more frequently than you'd expect.

    I do believe there can be an occasional electronic gremlin, just like on a computer and that's why I'm leery of smart key ignitions. However, the worst probability I saw in the various articles was something like a 1 in 45,000 occurrence of SUA in Toyota (which was the highest incident rate of the car makers). However, realistically that represents very small fraction of a single percentage point probability. Eliminate driver error, and that fraction likely gets much smaller yet. So I'm not surprised at all about the flame out after all the hype. I own a Camry and think I'm much more likely to get T-boned or become the victim of a head-on than experiencing SUA. I did do a precautionary dry run shifting into neutral and turning the key down one notch (which incidentally even worked for that SIU professor), but I'm not going to live my life in the extreme tail of a bell curve and am not frantically considering selling my Toyota either.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    Now that some solid evidence is available I expect the whole thing to die a quiet death.

    Personally, I'd wait for NASA's findings.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,862
    edited July 2010
    Sadly, many thousands of good people are killed annually on our highways. I don't think there is ever much closure in deaths of this sort, be it in a Toyota or any other car brand.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,862
    When that report comes in and also shows DRIVER ERROR as the cause of every reported incident, then what will you be waiting on?

    Looks like all those fancy theories about faulty electronics have just been knocked into a cocked hat !! :P

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,010
    "BREAKING: NHTSA Blames Driver Error For Toyota Unintended Acceleration"

    Sort of interesting to see who broke the story, if you can believe the stories:

    Did Toyota Plant DOT Driver Error Story? (Inside Line)

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,048
    For those being burned by emotional comments from toyotaphiles, this story is too good not to list the text. AND it's on Edmunds, which gives it even more credibiity.

    And may I add, it's what I suspected for the second time about toyota trying to twist the grain of sand and get their version out before the NHSTA or other source actually gives the "rest of the story."

    A reporter with Just-auto spoke with a representative from the NHTSA who claims that Toyota was the sole source of information asserting driver-error as the cause of all sudden acceleration claims.

    "That story was planted by Toyota," an NHTSA spokeswoman in Washington told just-auto. "Toyota is the source - yes we know that for definite.

    "It is [the] Toyota PR machine. We knew they were going to put it out."

    If the official word is driver error, we aren't likely to know about it any time soon. The NHTSA and DOT are still working with NASA amongst other groups, and have yet to announce final conclusions. Official updates can be found on the NHTSA special Toyota Recall and Investigation page.

    End quote.

    Doesn't sound like weasel words in their comment. They are CLEAR that toyota planted the story.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    No surprises there. Looking back at the situation. I don't recall any outcry or data on UA being posted here on Edmund's until the Saylor accident. Then we find out that there were and are a very high percentage of the total SUA reports to the NHTSA attributed to Toyota and Lexus vehicles. As far as I know that percentage has not changed. Anyone have any recent reports from the NHTSA? I know right after the supposed pedal fix there were still reports. That led to the NASA involvement. I would imagine it will be a long time before they get done with their testing. The US government is not known for their speed except at tax collecting time.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,862
    edited July 2010
    I think it is interesting that no one seems to be disputing the fact that driver error does indeed appear to be the cause of the unintended acceleration at this point in the investigation. The dispute is only over who broke the story. I hardly think it matters too much where the information came from.

    If it was Toyota who broke the story, they must have felt that this information was newsworthy, and I would agree with that assessment.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    edited July 2010
    " one seems to be disputing..."

    Don't count me in that list.

    Yes, the majority of SUA, especially short term SUA incidents, are more likely than otherwise the result of driver confusion, faulty floor mats, or even sticking gas pedals. But that does not account for Saylor, Sikes, or the Smith lady. And then there is the incident wherein the car was driven to the dealer with the engine ROARING at full throttle.
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    Hi, has been a long time since I blogged. H-mmm nice great long vacation trip.

    Go to House Commerce governemnt site and actually read what. Oversight Committee had documented as to what is actually going on. Click on hearing tab - click on oversight. Check the Academy of Sciences Website also. They are conducting an investigation also, but I can't find any online documentation. Sean Kane Safety Research & Strategies wrote a summary of that meeting. At least can give some insight what discussed. Yes, I do know many do not like him. But have found many of articles are true, but does blast away. Wish Academy of Scientist would have online documents, but I have not found.

    NASA scientists have investigation going on also.

    Go to Edmunds Toyota on Mend - I posted links to info.

    wwest you will find government documents long, but quite interesting for what they reveal about Dr Gilberts study and Toyota's debunking Dr Gilbert's study at televised press broadcast. See for yourself what Washington hired independent engineers/professors thought of Dr Gilbert's study. As Dr Gilbert always said and introduced as only a preliminary study and felt was just beginning - appears several independent experts feel his SUA study was good and was good place to start. Note Dr Gerdes from Standford that Toyota asked to review Dr Gilbert's work finally admitted to oversight committee study was logical, & good place to start. See what government heard from their expert independent engineers about the Toyota televised broadcast. I think alot of this is in Stupak document.

    See documents - the debunking of Sean Kane and Dr Gilbert poll set up for Toyota, plus same debunking credibility of same individuals approach methods formulated by a consulting firm.

    Also Toyota pressured University of Southern Illinois and successfully shut down Dr Gilbert. Attempted to get him fired. AP posted news report this past weekend. AP requested all information from school under the Freedom of Public Inofrmation Act, and finally got - so story could be written. This is why Dr Gilbert is quiet. I had already seen a report earlier, but this one was most recent. All is quiet now, so no other news agencies jumping on story. Smile - is old news now.

    Recently towards end of June Washington hired engineers claimed to have found existing brake overrride being present on older Toyota models. End of June Oversight Committee sent letter to Toyota. Documents show Washington upset at Toyota, after Toyota did not reveal this information during all the testimony and/or individual discussions/interviews. I posted links to review document letter yesterday.

    Documents reveal Toyota's hired expert engineering Exponent has multiple shenanigans that have been uncovered. As you are aware I had no respect for Exponent from my professional medical work and resulting research I did on firm long time ago.. Not surprised, just didn't know if lawmakers and experts presently would catch. Just know you gotta watch Exponent - they play dirty, but are very good at what they do.

    Refer to government docuemnts of billing costs paid to Exponent for this SUA defense since Dec, 2009. Exponent received $3+ million. Somhow I have difficulty seeing how they can make claim debunking Sean Kane and Dr Gilbert claiming Dr Gilbert hired by attorneys - Gilbert was only paid total hours worked - $1800 + $4000 paid for equipment to complete study with agreement equipment left for auto technology school. University approved Dr Gilbert's research study and they do have high guidelines/standards that must be followed to avoid biased research studies. .

    SUA Verdict is still out. Could be at least another year. We shall see. I am still in pending mode.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,675
    edited July 2010
    I appreciate you both for wanting the truth on Toyota vehices and their SUA, because you both have spent money on Toyota automotive products. You think that doesn't matter, Edmunds readership? It sure does! Neither of these Edmunds posters just blindly sticks behind Toyota just because they've spent money on Toyota products, as it should be. It's called honesty. Something Toyota is sorely lacking in, huh?

    The US government is not known for their speed except at tax collecting time.

    gagrice, how else are they supposed to keep building huge warships and fast jet aeroplane man-o-wars for all of us? The U.S. Federal Guv-Mint is ever-so-proficient at collecting taxes from us, at a high percentage-per-dollar earned. Always have and dare I say they always....gulp...will?

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • karie23karie23 Posts: 2
    I was in the process of buying a 2010 Highlander just this past week when I came across a story that a 33 year old mom in Fort Worth, TX was killed April 30 in her 2010 Toyota Highlander. She dies, her 2 young children survived. I watched the news clip several times and listened to the drivers that saw what happened and I kept concluding that the damn thing ran away with her. I walked away from a very good deal and I'm really upset about this. Does anyone know what the findings were in this? Google "fort worth mom killed in toyota".
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    asking if anyone experienced SUA on their Toyota to call XYZ law firm. Thought that was interesting to say the least.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,675
    might as well get the personal injury lawyers involved. Spose it's time.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

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