Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!





Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall

1153154156158159173

Comments

  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 39,957
    edited July 2010
    Well, that's a big part of Sean Kane's business - support services for trial lawyers. (He runs the outfit that Dr. Gilbert took his accelerator part to when Toyota wouldn't talk to him).

    SRS

    Moderator
    Need help navigating? stever@edmunds.com - or send a private message by clicking on my name.

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,847
    It will probably be a while before the police report comes out. It does not sound like someone speeding on purpose. Can't blame it on old age. Doesn't sound like a death wish or a scam artist. Wonder what the explanation by Toyota will be.

    Dawna Gillis Casey, 33, had carefully strapped her two young children into car seats in the back of her new 2010 Toyota Highlander sport utility vehicle

    It was 8 a.m. and she was driving to her job at a local church where she teaches two-year-olds, but witnesses said Casey was driving fast erratically, and passing other cars in the eastbound lanes of North Tarrant Parkway when and she lost control.

    She swerved into the median and then back across to the right shoulder at a speed estimated between 50 and 60 mph.

    "Kind of corrected itself, and I thought maybe she'd be okay," said Kellie Mayhew. All of a sudden, it just started going fast again."

    The vehicle struck a concrete culvert and rocketed into the air.

    "Kinda looked like something out of a movie," said Mayhew, who manages a nearby apartment complex. "Flipped about five times and landed on its side."

    The mangled SUV ended up about 60 yards from the roadway. Dawna Casey was killed.

    "Everybody was rocking the vehicle and trying to get ... the mother out of the vehicle. They were pulling the babies out of the back when I got up there," Mayhew said.


    http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news/High-speed-Toyota-crash-in-Fort-Worth-leaves- -mom-dead-92510704.html
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,675
    edited July 2010
    hate ta say it Toyota fans but here we go again. Another Toyota vehicle out of control and another person killed as a result of a sped up vehicle rocketing all over the freeway.

    And this is normal to you guys, eh? We are to shut our eyes and go follow Mel Gibson and his latest tirade instead, huh? Or, root for Lindsay Lohan's welfare in her faux-rehab luxo-retreat just before she starts serving jail time. Nah, those stories are too pedestrian. Actors are notorious screwups at real life issues. Everyone knows that.

    But Toyota was the "safe" car manufacturer. They're not used to being the ones under the microscope. For years on the net we've all endured the put-downs of Hyundai and Kia and name your underdog car manufacturer. Toyota is the "safe" car to buy. It will be a safe and reliable transaction for you, because if you don't like it you can always trade your Toyota in for pert-near what you bought it for originally!

    See why this is a story of automotive interest...still? Course it is. :shades:

    Oops. Should've popped one of these in...I suppose. :sick:

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Y'all need to just chill a sec.

    Not EVERY Toyota crash can automagically be blamed on SUA.

    Good Lordy..... :mad:
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,847
    Did I say anything about SUA? I think you assumed the accident was caused by SUA. Which makes sense with the unsolved cases pending.
  • mickeyrommickeyrom Posts: 936
    One of my wife's friends backed into the neighbor's garage last Saturday. It was not a Toyota and it was not UA.She put her foot on the gas pedal,instead of the brake.I'm sure you get my point.
    My Prius has not experienced any issue at all, after almost 50,000 miles,most by a previous owner,but the car has never been in an accident.
  • beachfish2beachfish2 Posts: 177
    Okay, I googled and read some news stories on the mom and her 2 children and read some of the comments from people who knew her.

    They said that her epilepsy was the mild kind and that she wasn't the kind of person to text while driving.

    I was initially thinking stroke or heart attack or severe allergic reaction, but it could be something else.

    John
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Gary says, "Did I say anything about SUA?"

    Ahem: Gary, this is posted in the "Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall" forum.

    If you did not intend to bring SUA into the discussion, why post it here?
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    If you know of, have read, the witness reports for the earlier actions of the Saylor vehicle then this one sounds ALL too familiar.
  • beachfish2beachfish2 Posts: 177
    "then this one sounds ALL too familiar"

    Saylor had a seizure disorder too? I didn't know.

    John
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,847
    Where would you suggest I post a Toyota accident that looks mighty suspicious? Most of the posters here are in denial concerning any kind of electronic failures with Toyota. Even though most will admit their Toyota electronics are less than up to standard. Surging at a stop is not a good selling point. I don't recall the Toyota salesman saying be sure and keep your foot on the brake when at a stoplight or you may ram the person in front of you. It may be common sense to do that and I do. It is still a defective design by Toyota. So now we have another possible Saylor situation and you don't want to hear about it. Hmmmmm
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,847
    Pretty far fetched I would say. Don't you think the brother-in-law would have mentioned that when talking to the 911 operator. Having been married to an epileptic it is not something hard to detect. A seizure takes over all muscle control and incapacitates the victim. Sounds like the Toyota spin folks are out in force on this one.
  • fezofezo Posts: 9,327
    Seizures are nasty beasts. I had two of them back several years back. You are completely unconscious and wake up slowly with someone else telling you what happened.

    Not saying that is what happened here but it's a piece of the story.

    in NJ one seizure immediately suspends your drivers license and a neurologist has to sign off on letting you back on the road. If you have a second within a year it's suspended a year and continues until you go a whole year without one. In Pennsylvania the first one gets you that year off. They're nothing to dismiss lightly,
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,847
    edited July 2010
    It is very possible that the lady in TX had a seizure. Not the CHP Saylor in CA. And you having suffered know it takes a while to regain any of your faculties. It was scary the first time my wife had one. She was able to control it with medication. You can lose your license and as a teacher my ex-wife could have lost her teaching job. She is now on full disability as a result.
  • fezofezo Posts: 9,327
    Oh, yeah. The Saylor case is something completely different.

    I was fortunate in that they figured out what caused mine. Actually the second was from a side effect from - of all things - the anti-seizure drug I was on. The root problem was a clotting factor disorder. I'm on coumadin for that.

    Amazingly despite this, a bone marrow problem, a blind eye, arthritis since I was a kid and a host of other issues they haven't seen fit to disable me.

    Waking from a seizure is a pretty surreal experience. For the first one I was in my living room one moment and the next thing I knew I'm looking up at the lights in the ER. For the second one I was in the ER when I had it. Because of tests they'd already done they were going to admit me and at one point I ask my wife what's taking so long and she say because of the seizure they needed to get a space on the neurology floor. I say it's been 13 months since the seizure and she says - no, the one you had tonight. News to me!
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,860
    edited July 2010
    By all means, if you are worried enough to find the Edmund's forums, join up, find this particular forum, then make your first, and so far, only post then you are definitely too worried to buy a Toyota.

    Actually you probably should not be driving at all if you are that easily frightened, as I think all the brands have been involved in fatal accidents over the years.

    Oh, and I guess you forgot to mention the epilepsy thing.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • karie23karie23 Posts: 2
    WOW...excuse me for not being so emotionally attached to an automotive company so much that I would put my child's life or my own in a vehicle that has been reported to take off like a drunken rocket with us in it on any given day of the week. After coming upon this incident, I personally called Toyota's customer service departmant (got the # from toyota.com) and talked with a man that was brutally honest to my surprise. While he couldn't give me details about any one specific accident, he could legally tell me that YES, in fact they are strill receiving reports of SUA in the 2010 Highlanders from consumers. This was enough for me to get over the suv of my dreams whether it saddens me or not!!! Maybe the chances are slim of it happening to the one that I drive off the lot, but I'm just not willing to take that risk. Maybe these folks will have their act together by the time I buy my next suv.
    Plain and simple...I prayed about buying the most safe and relaible car to transport my family...The next day, this story about the mom in Fort Worth fell in my lap.
  • beachfish2beachfish2 Posts: 177
    "Most of the posters here are in denial concerning any kind of electronic failures with Toyota. Even though most will admit their Toyota electronics are less than up to standard. Surging at a stop is not a good selling point. "

    - Most are not in denial, you are paranoid or a conspiracy theorist or something..
    - What electronic failures?
    - The electronics in my '06 Avalon are fine as are the ones in my '10 Highlander.
    - None of my Toyotas, going back as far as a new '86 Camry LE and a '94 LE, have surged at a stop.

    In other words, what are you talking about?

    John

    P.S. - Somebody compared the Saylor wreck with the woman dying and said the wrecks were similar. That's why I mentioned her epilepsy - because the poster said they were similar. Jeez, nevermind. Am I typing in English????
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,847
    As early as 2002, Toyota warned its dealers through a Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) that certain models of its cars could experience engine surging and that an electronic recalibration was necessary to fix the problem. The document appears to fly in the face of recent testimony from Toyota that the company has never found a defect in its electronic throttle control system that has caused unintended acceleration.

    The TSB, issued on August 30, 2002, entitled "ECM Calibration Update: 1 MZ-FE Engine Surging" stated that "Some 2002 model year Camry vehicles equipped with the 1MZ-FE engine may exhibit a surging during light throttle input at speeds between 38-42 MPH with lock-up (l/U) 'ON.' The engine control module (ECM) calibration has been revised to correct this condition."

    While the report was brought to light by Congressman Bart Stupak, D-Mich., prior to the U.S. House Energy Subcommittee on Oversight in late February and first reported on by Automotive News, the actual document had not circulated until this week. CNN began circulating the TSB on its website and through a new report which aired on the channel last night.


    http://autos.aol.com/article/toyota-throttle-warning-2002/

    For those in denial about Toyota surging try this google search, it has 4.46 Million links.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=toyota+surging+problem&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&cli- ent=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGIC_en___US345

    PS
    My 2007 Sequoia surges forward when stopped, it I don't keep a firm foot on the brakes.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Gary's link says, "The document appears to fly in the face of recent testimony from Toyota that the company has never found a defect in its electronic throttle control system that has caused unintended acceleration."

    "surge" and "unintended acceleration" are completely different animals.
Sign In or Register to comment.