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Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall

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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,779
    Sorry Fezo, I wasn't singling you out, I just replied to the last post, etc. cause I am kind of lazy !!

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460

  • fezofezo Posts: 9,195
    No problem. I wouldn't want to be mistaken for an Explorer fan.... :blush:
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,681
    I think about bailing every day on Ford Stock. I got in at $1.76 and don't want to be greedy. I would not consider Toyota stock if I did bail out. I don't trust the company to do right by their customers or their stockholders. I don't follow any company blindly. Many that have done that with Toyota have gotten burned.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    The "old" Explorer was a competitor to the 4runner, the new one to the HL.

    Just another Ford Mistook.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,452
    based on sales volume, the 4 runner is not an explorer competitor.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    And I should care about sales volume...?
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,681
    Based on sales the first half of this year Ford has sold 225K SUVs and Toyota has sold 113K SUVs. So Ford sells 2 SUVs for every one Toyota sells. And that was the best part of the market for Toyota. I don't believe it is the fear of SUA that has hurt Toyota sales. It is their being caught in so many lies & deception.
  • blackdog4blackdog4 Posts: 67
    edited July 2010
    I agree with the point that you are making. I had an "old Explorer" which was replaced about 8 years ago when I bought a Sequoia. After I put a limited slip differential in the rear end of the Explorer it was fairly good on the beach, only getting stuck once or twice a season. At least it was on a truck platform. The new Explorer being on a car platform, I don't think it would be wise to take it off road for any reason, even with "AWD".

    The old Explorer, although inferior in off road function, could be considered to be in the same category as the 4Runner.. The new Explorer can nolonger follow the 4Runner off the road. It will be functionally like a Highlander. Numbers sold do not change how a vehicle functions.(competes) The Explorer certainly wins the vehicles sold competition both then and probably in the future in it's new category.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Some of us are more than capable of adding a brake override circuit. A simple relay that opens the fuel pump circuit and is energized by the e-brake microswitch.

    I suspect it might be worth adding to any "new" vehicle.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    edited July 2010
    I don't think, seriously, that being on a "car" platform represents any sort of real problem, off road or on.

    "..It will be functionally like a highlander.."

    Not for the moment, for now the 2011 Explorer will have a much more functional F/awd system than has the current HL. But I expect that by the next model year the HL will have adopted the new Explorer's F/awd system design, also now already used in the Sienna, Venza, Escape, Tribute, etc.

    By the way, just how did this 2011 Explorer thread get over "here".
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,779
    I think someone happened to mention that in spite of all the Toyota SUA hysteria, the Explorer still holds the record in killing people.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,681
    edited July 2010
    The problem for toyota is they have not improved like Ford has. If you take a look at the IIHS statistics the latest data has the toyota Camry above average on insurance claims and the Ford Explorer well below average for the same. That includes a much better chance of survival in a collision driving the Explorer. That is before you factor in the unknown chance of SUA, which Toyota is King of the UA.

    http://www.iihs.org/research/hldi/composite_cls.aspx?y=2006-2008&cls=2
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    edited July 2010
    Lets not forget that while the Explorer is (was) RWD the Camry is a patently UNSAFE FWD vehicle. Makes the Explorer a much more stable platform, more benign handling, on adverse roadbed conditions.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,779
    Thanks for posting that info.

    Under the Insurance Institute's TOP SAFETY PICKS, for Mid Size SUVS, I don't see the Explorer listed at all, but I do see the Lexus RX, the Toyota Venza, and the Toyota Highlander !

    Also wwest, nearly all the top safety picks are either front wheel drive or all wheel drive. Very, very few rear wheel drive cars made the list.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,681
    Not sure which chart you are looking at. The RX has a 103 rating which is worse than average for the segment lux SUVs. While the Explorer 4WD has a 73 cost rating. Far better the average. The Camry is also rated poor for their group. If you are going by crash test ratings. Good luck when you get hit in a Camry by a large PU truck. The only ratings that count are how people fared in actual accidents. The charts I posted give you that information to compare.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,452
    edited July 2010
    maybe you don't care, but the buyers do. that's my point.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,452
    can you back that up? even through the rollover 'era' it had a great overall safety record. check the congressional records of the hearings.
    have you gotten your recall letter(s) yet?
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    NHTSA and whomever else compiles safety data somehow overlooks SUA when they figure up toyota safety particulars. Humm. Nasty business practices are existing all over.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,779
    Apparently you don't know how to read your own chart. Insurance costs don't have much to do with passenger safety. It is the cost to repair the vehicle. Of course it costs more to repair a Lexus than an Explorer. You should know that without looking at a chart.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460

  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,779
    If you want back up do your own research. Surely you know how to google.

    We should be getting a recall notice on the 07 LX sometime in August on the steering column retaining clamp or something like that. We haven't had any problems for the 38,000 miles we've driven the truck so far. If only Ford was that conscientious a lot of lives would have been saved.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460

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