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Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall

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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,863
    Few people know that the Toyota Camry is the #1 car in the U.S. in domestic content. It is more American than Chevy or Ford or Chrysler. Toyota has 3 others in the top ten !!

    So if you want to be patiotic and help American workers and manufacturers...BUY TOYOTA !!

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • delthekingdeltheking Posts: 1,152
    And Suzuki and Mitsu are going great guns !!Ya right !! LOL !! Thanks for the huge laugh . :P
  • delthekingdeltheking Posts: 1,152
    But the company is in Japan right ! That the Det 3 are US made and Toyotas are foreign made is the biggest piece of bullc*** going around ! Patriotism has nothing to do with facts or incompetence .. And Houdini,like you, I too am loving my Toy/Lexus floaty boaty plushy rides !! Getting a boat for the price of a car !! LOL!! Priceless ! :P
  • fezofezo Posts: 9,328
    edited August 2010
    See the USA in you Cam-a-ray.....
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    Thanks for the heads up report Steve. This is not anything new, and was/is same as was in the NHTSA bullet guideline speech topic at National Academy of Sciences Study meeting. NHTSA has always maintained they could not find any electronics problems. And is why they hired NASA to investigate. Investigation is still not completed. Appears NHTSA has now decided to publicly release this information. But they still report investigations by NASA and National Academy of sciences are still going on.

    The news reports are great news for Toyata. But people are jumping to conclusions this/these reports are the final results. I did notice some of news media report releases title their reports psychologically influencing people to reach conclusion tests are done. And is not true.

    As for the EDR readouts - present law governing EDR's has not even been implemented yet. Not until 2012-2013. Each EDR manufacturer does have error ratios that exist. EDR's are still under Wild Wild West Rules - no laws. Lots of IF's are/seem to be still present. Everyone do some research on EDR law and the history.

    I am still in pending mode for results of NASA investigation(completion date ??) and Academy of Science study which will be completed in about a year. STUDIES ARE STILL NOT COMPLETED. STILL NO VERDICT IF ELECTRONICS CAUSING SUA.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,863
    edited August 2010
    Apparently, since nothing will ever change your mind that this is all Toyota's fault, you will have a long wait.

    I imagine you are still in a wait and see mode concerning the Audi SUA issues that occurred about 25 or 30 years ago also. After coming up with nothing except wild theories for 30 years most every rational human being is satisfied that it was nothing more than mass hysteria and driver error and moved on.

    Maybe those Swedes will come up with some provable, believable scenario yet !! If they fail maybe we can put the Bulgarians on the job ! :)

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • beachfish2beachfish2 Posts: 177
    I tried, I really did. They said the 2010 Highlander was being built in the U.S. of A. So when I ordered my Limited on 12/26 I was not expecting to get one made in Japan. I'm not unhappy, just surprised.

    As of today, there is still no evidence that electronic problems were to blame or even that there even were any electronic problems.

    John
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    I think you misinterpreted my post. I stated I am still in pending mode as to whether electronics is one of the causes for SUA. This is good professional business decision approach. And you and I both know there are multiple causes.

    Since NHTSA contracted NASA and National Academy of Science studies on possibility of auto electronics causing SUA are not done - NO ONE CAN CLAIM THEY HAVE PROVEN AND FOUND THE CAUSE OF SUA. Sorry this is just a known fact. If they have found something, they sure are not bringing their SUA study findings forward for public release..

    Studies are still pending!!! I may have your opinion once studies completed. I need to review these study results first and evaluate those studies.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,863
    What is your opinion on the Audi SUA?

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,863
    They only started cranking them out in the Indiana plant in late 2009 so you probably got one that was already in the pipeline from Japan. Or possibly they are still building some in Japan to meet demand.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,852
    What is your opinion on the Audi SUA?

    That was a 1980s Audi model that did not have the sophisticated electronics that are in current vehicles. This is a new issue and not 60 minutes leading the attack. It is the NHTSA. Time will tell. We got 29 more years to follow the stories.

    Through manipulating the transmission, he managed to get the Audi 5000 to move on its own, but the 60 Minutes feature never brought to light that the car in question had been manipulated. “We were appalled that 60 Minutes put this thing on the air,” stated John Pollard, a principal investigator hired by NHTSA for its study. “It was a stunt…. It does not represent a real-life situation.”

    While the 60 Minutes debacle is interesting history, it represented a crushing reality to the Audi brand, nearly driving it into bankruptcy. Even after the brand was vindicated by the NHTSA, and Audi told the world the truth via full-page ads in newspapers and magazines throughout North America, it took over a decade for a return to the sales levels it enjoyed pre-60 Minutes.

    It looks likely that the nightmare is recurring, but this time its not a corrupt TV series making up stories for ratings, but the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) heading up the investigation.

    Just like in the 5000 incidents, automakers are stating that driver error is the culprit in the majority of cases. But current plaintiff lawyers allege that the high level of electronic devices and sensors are the reasons behind the recent resurgence of sudden acceleration cases. Either way, incidents involving Ford, GM and Toyota cars will be soon forgotten while those surrounding the Audi brand will long be remembered.


    deja vu all over again

    And, "it ain't over till the fat lady sings"
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    The Audi SUA resulted in an interlock system on every passenger vehicle that prevented the shifter from being moved from the park position unless the brakes were firmly applied.

    The current incident will no doubt result in a failsafe, independent, brake/throttle override required of all upcoming vehicles.

    And just maybe a push, release, push gas pedal rachet/lock if the driver wishes to quickly and suddenly go WOT. No WOT without "arming" (push/release/push) the gas pedal first.

    DBW electronics would recognize the initial gas pedal rate of depression as a "panic" type depression and would not allow the throttle plate to open.
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    I have not extensively investigated Audi SUA problems - I can not objectively give an educated opinion.

    Audi 1980's 4-5 recalls are old news and the number of research articles available are insufficient to evaluate those recalls.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,863
    I doubt we will ever see that. Too complicated for the many drivers who already can't tell the gas pedal from the brakes. Or their a$$ from a hole in the ground for that matter. The lawsuits would be never ending and the fat lady would never sing.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,863
    edited August 2010
    After 30 years you are still waiting for more info. That is why I said to settle down for a long wait on the Toyota issue.

    I can only think of 6 possible causes for these incidents. Sticky pedals, floor mats or some other foreign object under the pedals, driver error and/or panic, someone trying a scam, some unknown sort of electronic problem, and little green men from mars.

    There is plenty of evidence pointing to the first 4 defendants, but the only evidence concerning electronic issues is all exclusionary and tends to show this defendant is innocent.

    No evidence to convict the little green men, but none to exclude them either, so technically they have a greater chance of being guilty than electronic issues.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    Sorry, once again you are not reading my post correctly regarding Audi SUA. I said Audi problem is old and that is old news.. Note - I said indadequate info exists presently to research effectively for my evaluation. That investigation is sort of history and will probably be remembered as people chose to remember. That is closed case as far as I am concerned. I have no rpoblems with Audi. And I really liked my son's new large diesel Audi SUV his family just got.

    I do love your little reference to "little green men from Mars." Ha, tell me when you see them!

    Finding a problem with auto electronics that may cause SUA, etc. would be quite difficult considering the number of codes now in US autos. I would have to read and evaluate the actual NASA study. Talk to my family expert.

    Both you and I, everyone else could learn from the full speech documents of the expert engineer at the National Academy of Science Study committee members meeting May, 20, 2010. Outline bullet point guidelines were very interesting. Appears his speech addressed many of these auto electronic issues/discussions we keep having. But full speech is not available, nor online.

    And we may never get an honest factual answer due to present US laws, multiple other exisitng factors.
  • delthekingdeltheking Posts: 1,152
    So if some one doesnt`t want electronics or computers in their cars,they can always take the bicycle or walk to work..Can help cure America`s obesity problem !!! :P
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    Yes, the people who are totally against auto electronics - they can indeed ride bike or walk. That is their decision. Routine active riding bike or walking does have positve health benefits.

    Ha, doubt people will stop driving though!
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,016
    edited August 2010
    if some one doesn't want electronics or computers in their cars

    I was reading an old Road & Track in my doc's office earlier this week and the cartoon on the last page was of a roadster sitting in a showroom. The salesperson was extolling the U-Drive option package that was newly available - for a little bit extra, the package came with a clutch pedal, wind-up windows and a folding road map. :)

    The jury may still be out on the Audi SUA story. Last I heard, it was back before a lower court in Chicago after 20+ years of appeals.

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  • I see you wrote "poorly engineered drive shafts" in some of the trucks.

    I smell another recall. Just found out that my 2005 Toyota Highlander needs to have the drive shaft replaced, after only 80,000 miles on the road.

    My mechanic called a Toyota dealer for the part and the parts guy said, and I quote,"These Toyota Highlander drive shafts are FLYING OFF THE SHELVES!"

    Haven't had my car fixed yet. Anyone have a suggestion as to how to proceed?
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