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Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall

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  • luckysevenluckyseven Posts: 134
    is it only 80,000 miles or 800,000 miles? cause any mechanical breakdown after ONLY 5-6 years of service and ONLY 80,000 miles definitively seems to be a sign of poor design, any Toyota should last for at list for 50 years and 800,000 miles without any problems. Seriously though... I didn't hear that drive shafts on 1 gen HL is a big issue and your post needs to go to "Toyota Highlander Maintenance and Repair" thread.
  • cargirl65cargirl65 Posts: 4
    edited August 2010
    Really? Is it that hilarious guys?

    When a part is flying off the shelves, there's no issue?

    No need to be nasty or sarcastic.

    The 2010 Tacoma has a drive shaft issue.

    Why is it so unbelievable to think the 2005 Highlander does?
  • roho1roho1 Posts: 317
    If you haven't realized it yet this forum is loaded with Toyota haters. If you want a straight and reasonable answer your best bet is to stay in the Highlander forum. Good luck.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,050
    >your best bet is to stay in the Highlander forum

    Gotta keep those failure posts about problems separated as much as possible by keeping them in different forums rather than collectives. :P
  • luckysevenluckyseven Posts: 134
    if 2010 Tacoma has a drive shaft issue, it doesn't really mean that all Toyota cars have drive shaft issue because clearly they have not. Go to the 1st gen HL forum and ask people there is really a problem with the drive shaft. This thread covers mysterious and never proven UA issue that has nothing to do with your drive shaft.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,675
    what is really a shipload of problems for toyota of late. I would add to their "fix-it" list adding brake override systems to countless late-model and otherwise cars and SUV's to stave off more cars and SUV's built by toyota running off of cliffs and in to homes and off of large rocks. Did I mention that I would do this as of yesterday?

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    edited August 2010
    And what about a new modification that requires "arming" the DBW throttle if one wishes to go WOT..??

    Below, say, 10MPH, the gas pedal must first be applied, then FULLY RELEASED, and only then it will allow a WOT condition on the next depression. Or even, again at some low speed, requiring that the brake be applied, even lightly, before WOT DBW will be enabled.

    Mistakenly hitting the gas instead of the brake pedal would have no result, acceleration wise.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,863
    It is not possible to completely idiot proof any car. What good would the brake override do when the EDR shows that most people never touched the brakes, they just floored the gas, thinking it was the brakes.

    The obvious answer is that certain people should ride the bus instead of trying to drive.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,512
    Today I saw a current style Avalon billowing out clouds of grey smoke when stopped a light. The smoke was coming from under the car, maybe towards the front, but hard to tell. I wonder what was up there.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    edited August 2010
    That's why I have suggested an "arming" system, procedure, for the DBW throttle.

    If a driver suddenly depresses, FULLY depresses, the gas pedal without having been braking, "just" previously braking, and the vehicle is stopped or going below 10-15 MPH the modified DBW firmware would simply leave the engine idling.

    Think of how you would use the clutch in this case. You would have to closely coordinate the clutch disengagement with gas pedal depression. So what would be so different if you had to "arm" the gas pedal in order to go WOT...?

    Thanks to the Audi episode we already have to, have learned to, depress the brake in order to put an automatic into gear. So what would be so different about having to do the same thing in order to "arm", release the DBW throttle for functionality...??

    And who knows, there just may be enough unused firmware memory space in many modern vehicles that the above technique could be "back-fitted" via reflash.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,675
    I'm afraid you've lost about 95% of this thread's audience with your idea. Or is it just me you've lost. Give us the Reader's Digest version of your WOT override idea in a short paragraph or less. Perhaps in two sentences of average length. :P

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    hmmm, perfectly clear to me.
  • mickeyrommickeyrom Posts: 936
    Prius is the alleged offender,and they don't offer a manual transmission.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    I assume that when someone hits the gas pedal instead of the brake pedal it is mostly the result of some sort of PANIC situation. In which case there would likely be a quick/fast depression of the gas pedal to the WOT position.

    The idea is to detect that situation and prevent the DBW throttle from opening beyond the idle position unless/until the gas pedal is fully released and then reapplied.

    We already have BA, Brake Assist, systems that detect PANIC braking via rate of brake pedal application so why not the same for/on the gas pedal.

    This "failsafe" need not apply if the brake pedal is just previously released and/or the vehicle is already traveling above ~20 MPH.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    The manual transmission example was only used to indicate that humans can readily adapt to the type of procedural sequence this SUA prevention "failsafe" DBW firmware revision would require.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,863
    edited August 2010
    But what if someone was hitting the gas in a panic to escape an oncoming train or big truck? Sometimes the fix is worse than the problem. Thanks, but I will take my chances to way it is...hit the gas and speed up, hit the brakes to stop.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Like I said, if you, "we" can learn to release the clutch pedal in order to "go forward", full or partial throttle, you, "we", certainly should be able to learn to "jiggle" the gas pedal on-off-on quickly if you wish to go WOT from below ~20 MPH and not have had the brakes applied just previously.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,863
    I agree that you and I probably would not have a problem, but what about the people who can't find the right pedal now, when they don't have to jiggle anything?

    Your idea has some merit, but the car companies would never try to institute something like this for fear of an avalanche of lawsuits.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

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