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Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall

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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    You could ask your dealer. but I would suspect an '04 was still drive by linkage, not drive by wire. In which case you wouldn't have the problem I believe. The dealer is the most reliable source of info here (or you could contact Toyota USA directly).

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    I have 2006 RAV$ and am concerned issue may exist with my vehicle also. I have not had acceleration problem, but have recently noticed issues with sudden engine acceleration when braking and then go to put in park occasionally. Engine acceleration will return to normal shortly, but is definitely delayed. So far this has only occurred when I am pulling into my driveway to park and/or when I was going to park in space at a parking center. I have checked the locked in place floormats, and they are definitely not causing issues with accelerator I just spoke with my friend's husband who has 2008 RAV4 and he states he started having problems with a delay for accelerator not backing off when braking. while he was actually driving on roads. He states problem started about six months ago. So far the accelerator eventually backs off, and has not had any increase in acceleration. He has reviewed problem over the six months, and could not find he is inadvertantly causing. He is concerned now since recall. Is anyone else with models earlier than 2009 having problems??
  • This car was initially tagged for what they called a floor mat problem with no resolution. I was told to take out the mats until a recall notice was sent. Does anyone know if this latest problem with the stuck accelerator is related to this vehicle. I am totally confused !!!
  • Several sites on the net discuss the ability of dealers, etc. to identify the Denso or CTS assemblies that are on a particular vehicle. One site stated "check the pedal manufacturer, it's the 1st line on side facing driver's door. Its difficult but it can be done". It appears that only CTS assemblies have a possible problem.

    I haven't tried this yet, will post any info I get.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Camry began using DBW with the 2002 MY, the same year they switched to the U140E transaxle.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,307
    It's not in the list of cars at the top of the page for this forum, so it's not included in the second big recall here for unintended acceleration problems. Drive on and enjoy.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    Prius isn't included in this recall, as it is built in Japan.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,175
    Check the VIN number. If it starts with "JT" then it was manufatured in Japan and has a Denso japanese made accelerator pedal.

    If it has a "J' only then it most surely will contain the affected CTS pedal which was made in Indiana.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    Good to know.

    The '04 Highlander, of course, was still the 2000 design, so it may not have been updated under the hood until they revised the model for 2006 (2007?).

    It may be that eventually older models are included in the recall, but for now I don't believe the '04 HL is. Again, the dealer or TMSUSA would be the best source of information.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,153
    This really crosses the line from "spin" into outright lying:

    DetNews

    Federal auto safety regulators said today that Toyota was legally required to stop selling the eight models it recalled last week.
  • lzclzc Posts: 483
    According to the NHTSA memorandum on the San Diego Lexus crash, the accelerator pedal had fused with the floor mat, a mat that wasn't the right one for the vehicle nor was properly secured to prevent it from sliding forward.

    Also, the pedal assembly was removed from the car, tested, and found to be operating normally.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,175
    I may be wrong but all of the first gen Highlanders came over from japan. The whole scope of the Highlander was to offer a Lexus RX at a more affordable pricepoint, hence Toyota plucked the japanese "Harrier" models out of their own market and sold them here. It wasn't until the latest and greatest that Toyota brought production of that model to the states.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Be careful handing out this advice.

    For some of us it isn't yet clear that the carpet mats and the accelerator sticking is, or is NOT, the final solution.
  • Cars built in Japan have a VIN that starts with "J" but cars that are built in the US start with a number of some sort. Numbers 1-5 are North America.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "..pedal has fused with the floor mat.."

    And this is somehow conclusive evidence that the floor mat was the single causative factor...??

    NOT...!!

    Not by ANY measure.

    The car rolled, did it not..?
  • On my 2007 Avalon, the following information is ink stamped (very small) on the control box above the actual pedal/lever: 1st line 78110-07010, 2nd line 06290C2B, 3rd line 44494851019, 4th line is a symbol, a square attached to capital D by horizontal line.

    As I posted earlier, manufacturer of this unit can possibly be identified by this information. Anybody got a clue?
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    I checked my VIN number and it has JT so assume vehicle manufactured in Japan. But I have also read complaints were present over in Europe as well. Also have read a research article regarding accleration issue and found investigations limited and possibly incomplete as any issues intermittant. Findings do appear to present possible faulty investigational research. And also have seen in research problem can be much more complex than the part that has mentioned as the cause.
  • Sounds like a Denso part to me by the D stamped on it.

    Does your VIN start with a J?
  • My wife and I purchased a $55k 2010 Sequoia Platinum last month. Now we get the news that Toyota has stopped building them until they can figure out a solution on repairing the problem. Sounds as if Toyota doesn't even know what to do to rectify the problem..Talking about a slap in the face, we purchased the new Sequoia because we felt it was the safest SUV you could purchase. Now I am afraid for my family to even ride in it..I would like to just return it to the dealer and get my money back. Do we have any recourse? I can't stand the fact that we paid $55k for a vehicle that we are scared to ride in..
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Yes you're right, only this 2010 MY is when the Highlander began to be produced in Princeton, IN. That's why also only the last two MY RAVs are included, these were built in Woodstock, ONT.

    Prior to those MY's all were built in Japan. I expect a lot more will be built, like right now, in Japan as well.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    No it didn't until it hit the embankment. You also have to look at the prior instance of UA on this vehicle just two days before. The older gentleman was able to resolve the issue by getting his foot under the trapped accelerator pedal and popping it away from the RX400 All Weather mat.

    Then he drove safely back to the Lexus store. That's the smoking gun in that tragedy.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    All Avalon's are made in Kentucky, the VIN would begin with a 4T....

    It should be involved in the recall but that info off the pedal may indicate a Denso part. As I understand it tho the parts are not easily interchangable, if at all.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    The laws in most states are pretty clear on these issues. You have to give the manufacturer a chance to rectify any problems. Normally I think that it's three different attempts on the same issue. Check with your state laws.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    If a sticking/binding accelerator were really the problem why wouldn't there have been numerous driver complaints to the dealers. Not many accelerator pedals are going to go from NO sticking/binding directly into FULL THROTTLE sticking/stuck.

    How many of us would not notice, pay attention to, the fact that the accelerator pedal is sticking from time to time, occassionally... where are those complaints...ignored by the dealers..??


    IMO, speculation, this is indicative of the real world situation.

    Toyota has found that the condition becomes more serious and then accute after the CTS assembly is used and becomes worn. Then the assembly could begin to be 'sticky' which then might result in a completely 'stuck' condition. But this is only after wear has occured. I don't know how long CTS has been making these parts for the various models. Apparently only after 2005.

    It may take 3 to 5 yrs before that assembly begins to become worn enough such that it begins to be 'sticky' or fully 'stuck'. More data is needed.

    Thus new and newer vehicles may not be 'worn' enough to exhibit such conditions.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,175
    THat's what I thought but I read this on Inside line here on Edmunds.

    http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2010/01/toyota-recall-update-1-why-lexu- s-and-scion-vehicles-arent-affected.html#comments

    Those built in Japan use the Denso pedal assembly and are not subject to the recall; those built in North America use the CTS pedal and are included in the recall. Japan-built models will have a VIN number starting with "JT," North American-built cars will start with a numeral instead of the letter "J."
  • Just to give you guys some background. I had a 1997 Rav4 and had absolutely no problems with this vehicle for 10 years. In 2007 I decided to get a new vehicle and bought a 2006 Rav4 4 cyl. This car was an absolute POS. While on the freeway 3 times the car accelerated after I had lifted my foot off of the pedal. The first time I freaked and the only solution that I found that worked was putting my foot under the accelerator and jerking the pedal up. This worked every time. After 3 months I decided the 4 cyl was soo bad-not due to the acceleration sticking-but that the car wouldn't accelerate fast enough onto the freeway here in Las Vegas. I traded it in for a 6 cyl Rav4 Sport and that fixed the acceleration onto the freeway, but I had 2 instances of the accelerator sticking. Again I had to use the technique of putting my foot under the pedal and jerking the accelerator pedal up. In both these Rav4's the mileage was between 15,0000-20,000. Well below the 35,000 mile mark. This year I got sick and tired of 1) filling up the tank twice per week 2) having a 3 year old vehicle that was in the repair shop 4 times since purchase and 3) spending a fortune on tires due to the Sport version have 18" tires.

    I will NEVER, EVER purchase another Toyota in my life. Toyota has gotten too big, too fast and they're quality has gone down hill. I notice that the only Rav4's on the recall list is 2009-2010. This problem with the Rav4 has been happening since 2006-a redesigned model year. This accelerator problem has been reported on Rav4 forums since at least 2007 when I bought my 2006 Rav4 4 cyl.

    I guarantee that Toyota knew about this problem and decided to weigh the cost of recall vs. the cost of lives and decided that it would cost more to recall. This was until word got out that acceleration sticking was happening more often and the press decided to do a story on the people who died.

    I just wonder how many more people who were like me and never reported the problem?
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,009
    The reason Lexus isn't included is because they are still built in Japan, except the RX. Why isn't the RX on the list? I would be curious to know.

    This may be the reason:

    "Scion and Lexus vehicles are not on the recall list simply because these cars are imported from Japanese plants where Denso pedals are exclusively used. The one exception is the Lexus RX: It is built in Canada, but the pedals used there reportedly come from Denso."

    Toyota Pedal Recall Update #3 (Inside Line)

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,307
    ABC News tonight did another piece on Toyota. They went to Japan where they were told by people Toyota sent out that they couldn't film the headquarters. They eventually got to talk to someone representing Toyota who made a questionable statement. The Japanese wore masks as if they felt the Americans might have a contagious disease they brought with them.

    Then they showed a New York showroom and the manager told them all he could do was tell them to leave and he got up to escort them out of the showroom.

    ABC News played up that Toyota acted like they quit selling voluntarily while they had been told by Ray Hood's Transportation department that continuing was illegal.

    ABC News also made a serious criticism of Toyota's telling people to continue driving their vehicles with the sticking pedal defect. ABC News indicated that would be dangerous to drive the cars.

    I didn't get a good feeling from their piece tonight about Toyota's willingness to lay it all out. ABC News seemed to have something that they weren't telling.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,175
    How To Tell of your Toyota has a CTS or Denso Pedal

    link title
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,009
    I saw a couple of ABC news clips today on the net that sound similar to what you are describing.

    Here's one of them.

    ABC is pushing the story hard but maybe they need the ratings.

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