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Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall

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  • mikefm58mikefm58 Posts: 2,882
    Is there an "ignore feature" on these forums so I can automatically ignore posts by certain members?
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,586
    Just scroll on down.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 30,497
    Just scroll on down.

    What? Did someone else post that, too? :blush:

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,586
    Better recall that stuck post. :P

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,923
    Unfortunately, Toyota has lost control of the situation and it has turned into a perceived public safety issue.
    They really need to retrofit the 'smart throttle' technology to all their 'DBW' vehicles.
    That's just my own opinion, of course.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    They should give it some serious thought since the Japanese government has been known to subsidize the auto industry regardless if they are profitable or not.
  • lzclzc Posts: 483
    You may be right. But, as I understand it, DBW makes possible improved mileage and emissions. Going back to "the good old days" may not be practical or even possible. I'm assuming the performance difference between the two systems isn't trivial, since DBW must cost more.
  • lzclzc Posts: 483
    >>They only started paying attention when they got bad press.

    Since Ford's 2008 NHTSA complaint ratio was roughly double their market share, what are they doing different than Toyota? Are they ignoring, or "blowing off" in your words, the complaints or are they simply stumped, like Toyota?
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,923
    i guess you misunderstood my post.
    They need to add the 'fail safe' to their 'DBW' vehicles.
    'DBW' is here to stay, has a lot of benefits, and costs less (fewer actual parts).
  • lzclzc Posts: 483
    Yes, I'm guilty to reading too quickly. Sorry.

    Some new stories indicate Toyota is moving in that direction. Good, imo.

    I was initially annoyed when confronted with a brake interlock system on a new car I bought, but I understood why it was there.
  • Revit, a suggestion.Rather than posting the same stories over and over again do your own investigating. Since you own a Camry, take a video camera out with you and actually show unattended acceleration is not a pedal problem or human error. Prove to the world that Toyota is the evil corporation wanting to kill its customers (and potential repeat customers).

    I do image you'll be on the road for a while so make sure you stock up on food/drinks for your drive (though healthy food/drinks, you don't want a heart attack or stroke while you drive). Also make sure you aren't following too closely to the car in front of you, as when your Camry gets a case of "UA" you won't be able to shift into neutral (why, that's what all the "experts" are saying, and by experts I mean the internet folk) so you'll need the room to shut off your car and get on the brakes. Maybe though the car won't allow you to turn off the ignition, darn electronics!!!! NOW WHAT?????

    Jeez, after thinking about this maybe it isn't such a good idea to do this. Best to stay indoors, make sure though you stay away from the part of your house by a road, don't want a Toyota with "UA" flying through the home hitting you. If you do go out doors make sure you have a cell phone in case you see a case of "UA". Well, maybe not, as cell phone's may cause brain cancer, just stay inside, in a basement if possible. Though make sure you have a radon detector, as radon can cause lung cancer. Also make sure you don't use the computer too much, you don't want to develop carpal tunnel syndrome. Avoid porn sites, you don't want to end up like Tiger W do you?

    If your going to be in your basement until Toyota corrects the "UA" problem make sure you have good lightning, you want to avoid eye strain. If you use those newer Cfl bulbs bulbs be sure to be careful with them. They have a small amount of mercury, if you break one you may become exposed to the mercury, which isn't good for your health. Stay safe Revit, dangerous world with Toyota out there!
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,923
    here's a question.
    if i am getting ready to drive a toyota that fell under the recall, or whatever you want to call it, wouldn't it be great to know the fix was applied?
    if they are going to reprogram the computers, how about including something that lets you know it has been applied?
    in reality, i don't think that will work, since after a while it will just remind you that you are about to drive one of 'those' cars.
    i apologize, i am making this up as i go along.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,459
    GM marks the cars with a sticker in a location under the hood. The sticker has the number for the recall/fix performed.
  • Brilliant man. Brilliant!

    Stay safe revit. We are all awaiting your rerturn. Hope you made it thru the weekend, it's a dangerous world out there with all the runaway Toyotas out there. Be safe! Toyota is out to get you!
  • lzclzc Posts: 483
    I'm less worried than you. How many people think Toyota's business model includes dismissing safety as a serious matter? Maybe more than I think, but hopefully less than populate this msg board.

    In the words of the director of automotive testing for Consumer Reports (to paraphrase) the incident of this problem is quite small relative to the number of cars Toyota makes.

    When the NY Times reports 26 incidents of sluggish or sticky accelerator pedals in Europe (but no accidents) they provide only the numerator. We need the denominator to know what's going on. 26 out of what . . . . 10 thousand, 2 million? It makes a difference . . . . . to me anyway.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "...great to know..."

    If you have an automatic transmission you MUST use the brakes to release the shifter from the park position. With a DBW failsafe the gas pedal will be inoperative if the brake is even lightly applied.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "...Computer memory appears to be too limited.."

    IMMHO it would be patently FOOLISH to use an already suspect engine/transaxle control ECU module and its embedded, even more "suspect" firmware, for implementing a throttle/brake failsafe.

    An alternative implementation MUST be used to implement a truly relaible failsafe.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,923
    i thought were were going to work with me on this.
    how can the next buyer of one of 'those' cars feel confident that the car they want to buy has had been 'fixed' with the ECU update?
    there is no physical way to check.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,459
    >IMMHO it would be patently FOOLISH to use an already suspect engine/transaxle control ECU module and its embedded, even more "suspect" firmware, for implementing a throttle/brake failsafe.
    >An alternative implementation MUST be used to implement a truly relaible failsafe.

    I agree completely.
  • "fixed"

    I figure if the driver's side mat is popriveted to the floor and the bottom third of the gas pedal is missing then the other thing was probably fixed too. :)

    Go Saints

    John
  • lzclzc Posts: 483
    >>>how can the next buyer of one of 'those' cars feel confident that the car they want to buy has had been 'fixed' with the ECU update?

    Will not the dealer provide paperwork when the fix is done? If it becomes an issue for buyers, sellers may find they have trouble selling if they haven't saved the receipt.

    Bottom line, a dealer can access repair/warranty history with a VIN number.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,923
    i dunno. i'm just putting the question out for consideration.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,090
    February 8, 2010
    Toyota set to recall Prius hybrid over brake failure
    In a further humiliation for the company, the owners of 300,000 cars will be told that their brakes may fail on icy surfaces

    Toyota is to order a humiliating global recall of the Prius — the hybrid electric car which has become the leader of the green motoring revolution.

    In a deepening of the crisis at the world’s largest car manufacturer, Toyota will this week warn 300,000 Prius owners — 3,500 of them in the UK — that the brakes on their car may fail in icy conditions or on bumpy surfaces.

    The news follows hard on last month’s recall of 8 million Toyotas over fears of accelerator pedal defects in several models. In Britain, the owners of 180,000 Toyotas have been told that their cars may have problems which lawyers in the US claim have led to 19 deaths.

    Sources close to the company told The Times that the recall of the third generation Prius, launched last year, will happen within the next 72 hours.


    I don't think this is the kind of Biggest Toyota had in mind. :sick:
  • I love your "fixed" statement. That is about the level of confidence that Toyota is projecting right now. I am reading posts now that the brake override will not be installed on existing vehicles because of lack of computer memory.............or something. Maybe a new black box could be pop riveted on the dash.

    I love my 2007 Avalon, but a reality check started with Toyota's lack of response to the VVTI oil line ruptures, and is continuing. Toyota has not, and will never, put their customer issues first.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Is it over yet?

    Or is this just the beginning of Toyota's fall.
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    this was just
    La Times report - remember I said I had not verified the acuracy of report.

    As far as modifiying earlier models - development/engineering. This is what my son does for Porsche, BMW, Audi, Bentley, VW, etc. I am not the expert here, so you may be right if other changes must be made also.
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    Here is new link to Consumer Reports demonstation - two vehicles with brake override and Toyota and Chey that do not have. Seems like good info for all of us to review and evaluate.

    http://www.lexusreports.com/blog/1037059_toyota-lexus-floor-mat-recall-update-co- nsumer-reports-tests-stuck-accelerators
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,090
    Cost should not be a factor in Toyota adding a fail safe braking system on ALL their DBW vehicles in a timely fashion. If it costs them a few Billion. They got it in the bank. They been hauling cargo ship loads of US$$$ to Japan for 50 years. Time to give a little back in the name of safety.
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    Perosn who owns should be able to provide the service center report done at Toyoita. This would state the work wqas done. If they can't provide proof, then would have to logically conclude not done. Smile - unless you want to play detective.
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    Whoops I just noticed my wireless mouse needs new batteries. Lots of misspelled words in my prior post. This is wierd. Sorry.
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