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Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall

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  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,695
    Auto companies have done worse

    REALLY?


    Ford's lawyers said it was cheaper to let a few people burn up that fix the Pinto. Much worse, unless you have evidence that you have not presented.

    Boeing had 737's with rudder problems that killed 100's of people. Airbus may have a pitot problem that crashed a plane over the Atlantic. I'm not apologizing for Toyota, and they have made mistakes -- I'm saying your posts are all out of proportion to the problem, attempting to whip everybody into a frenzy.
  • delthekingdeltheking Posts: 1,152
    Folks,dont feed the cable pigs !! :P Mass hysteria,baseless allegations,senseless paronoia-- ultimately things willsettle down ! ;)
  • revitrevit Posts: 476
    From the one who has built their reputation on quality and by doing so

    How did that slogan go? Quality is Job 1?


    No, wrong outfit, it was the one with the tagline..."Suddenly Moving Forward"
  • Ford had the slogan: Quality is Job 1

    Now, the question to that is: was that their slogan when they had exploding Pintos? ;)
  • revitrevit Posts: 476
    Ford's lawyers said it was cheaper to let a few people burn up that fix the Pinto.

    True, Ford has issues with the Explorer and then there was the Pinto. The difference is Toyota, not Ford, built the supremacy on quality claiming to be 2nd to none; the arrogant attitude is what this involves. Every other automaker has had their ups and down and no one has ever disputed that, but when it comes to Toyota, many of always viewed it as the god child.

    Then it was considered acceptable even when Toyota tried to cover-up these issue for the past 5 years and continued even when all of this broke; it was the driver, it was the supplier, etc.

    So what is being missed is the pedestal that Toyota put itself on and too many consumer falling into the same trap. Sure, there will also view that this is not Toyota's fault, they have no responsibility, and it will be the same ones who will only own a Toyota for rest of their life.

    For the rest of American, Toyota perceived image quality has finally spoken for itself and indicated it is no better than GM, Ford, etc. Those die-hards always defended their actions by, "Oh, but it is a Toyota", the best quality in the industry, and flawless and worth paying the extra thousands of dollars over the competition.

    Just like Ford who managed to get over the Explorer issue, Toyota WILL NEVER be the same and WILL NEVER be able to be viewed the same. The die-hards? Sure they will always be there, but much like Ford, Toyota has finally become just another automaker with nothing unique to make them stand out in the competition.
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    I sure didn't. I talked with my son when this all started, and that was first thing he asked me. Did I have brake override system? Then I was off researching the next day. Have learned alot. Have3 spoken with my son multiple times. Since he does the actual developemnt/engineering auto computer software professionally - got lots of help undertanding. Happy to hear I was not the only one.
  • revitrevit Posts: 476

    Now, the question to that is: was that their slogan when they had exploding Pintos?

    Cannot recall, as that was 32 year ago...talk about living in the past. In addition, I guess there are just some who cannot even see what Toyota has done and prefer denial. Even better is making the quality comparison of a Toyota Camry to a Pinto. Now how sad is that? LMAO :shades:

    For those in denial, maybe you need to listen to this a couple of times:
    How Sad...Toyota Should Be Ashamed Of Their Actions
  • Somehow I knew that was the case.

    Maybe "stirring the pot" is a form of recreation for some.
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,695
    Cannot recall, as that was 32 year ago...talk about living in the past. In addition, I guess there are just some who cannot even see what Toyota has done and prefer denial. Even better is making the quality comparison of a Toyota Camry to a Pinto. Now how sad is that?

    Let's agree to disagree. You wanted to know which auto companies had done worse than Toyota, so you invited the comparison. How sad is THAT? Beware what you ask for, or you might get it. ;)
  • revitrevit Posts: 476
    You wanted to know which auto companies had done worse than Toyota, so you invited the comparison.

    More realistic would had been a comparison in the past couple of years, you had to go back 32 years? Again, living in the past is the easy thing to do. ;) Oh, just in case for some recent and relative information:

    2009 Chevy Malibu - N. American Car of the Year
    2010 Ford Hybrid Fusion - N. American Car of the Year
    Buick - top or near top of JD Powers' customer satisfaction survey past few years
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    Gosh - I was sticking up for Toyota. You must have read only Milwood's comment which may have made it appear I wasn't.

    If that was your understanding also. I do apologize.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,690
    >most of the car companies have had "issues" and they've been resolved...case closed. This nonsense in here is useless...let's all just let Toyota fix the problem and let's move on shall we!

    Would you mind going to some GM discussions and reminding people "most of the car companies have had "issues" and they've been resolved...case closed. This nonsense in here is useless...let's all just let Toyota fix the problem and let's move on shall we!". And make that include needing some financial help to tide the company over.

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  • revitrevit Posts: 476
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    NHTSA mulling Toyota fines for delayed recall

    $16.4 million. That's the maximum amount the Department of Transportation (DOT) can fine an automaker for failing to recall a defective vehicle in a timely manner. And according to a recent report, the Feds could be pursuing a multimillion-dollar fine – the sum, yet to be disclosed – due to the Toyota recall.

    The largest civil penalty ever imposed was handed down to General Motors when a windshield wiper on 581,344 SUVs wasn't dealt with in accordance to the DOT's regulations. Although no automaker has ever incurred the maximum penalty, judging by Secretary Ray LaHood's recent comments about Toyota's handling of the matter ("While Toyota is taking responsible action now, it unfortunately took an enormous effort to get to this point."), it's not so much a matter of when as it is how much.
  • Sure they will always be there, but much like Ford, Toyota has finally become just another automaker with nothing unique to make them stand out in the competition.

    Interesting comment about Ford, given that sales data and consumer opinion suggest otherwise. If you look at % change for YTD sales over 2009, Ford is killing the domestic market (and most imports too), and they happen to have the top-selling pickup. They must be doing something that attracts consumers versus the competition.

    If Ford can do it, why not Toyota?

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,443
    there is an 'open letter' from Toyota to their customers.
    I'm not one, so I didn't read it. ;)
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    Oh, oh somehow these reply clicks on this site seem to maybe have slight glitz too. Your click was also available elsewhere.

    I had responded to you earlier and now see you reponded my message attempting to explain.

    Glad someone understood me.

    Thanks. Best to you.
  • revitrevit Posts: 476
    Ford has had some impressive sales lately and their upcoming models ought to continue the same. The difference with Toyota is the attitude they try to project of being superior to all other automakers. Granted Ford excels, but it is a totally different mentality to it.

    Then when this problem started to unravel with Toyota, they had the nerve initially to blame the customer, then it was the floor mats, then it was the pedals, now its the electronics, whats next?

    Nissan, Honda, or any of the others in my opinion operate in that same manner of nearly being above the law. Something that once again Toyota attempted by resisting the recall...maybe now we are being to learn why.
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    Toyota is going no where. I am tickled they implemented brake override system for all models starting 2011, maybe even earlier. Their stats for UA will go way down. The end result should be a win- win for Toyota and owners/consumers, but guess to be honest and objective - still ways to go- pending investigation. This has been a bumpy road. Lots of negative publicity.

    Ford is coming back it seems. Saw the statistics in news.

    I am hoping a brake override system update might be avaliable for me to purchase and have flashed into my 2006 RAV4.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,443
    back in the 70's the government was more worried about 5 mph crashes than 70 mph crashes.
    run a '73 pinto into a pole @ 5 mph and do the same with a new Camry (or just about any other currently produced car) and see which one ends up with more damage. :surprise:
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    Where is the open letter???
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