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Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall



  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    This all started with the sludge problem that was always the customers' faults.

    Right!!! ;) But these quality issues started way before that!!! :(

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,896
    So, sticking with the title of the thread, now that Toyota has resumed selling the recalled models, has anyone actually gone into a dealership to buy one? Or, given the drop in resale, and further potential recalls looming, are people staying out of Toyota dealerships?
  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    the last two days when I went by my local Toyota dealer, they were busy a heck outside the showroom showing cars to a lot of people I guess interested so I don't know if that is a indication of anything but I've still seen a lot of people going in there despite all the recalls and problems!
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,896
    smarty....just the opposite around here (SW OH). Toyota showrooms around here are deader than doornails. Service depts seem to be busy, though. I see lots of vehicles backed up to get into the service bays.

    Don't know if the service business turns into people wandering into the new car showroom though.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,896
    edited February 2010
    My son just returned from the local Toyota dealership. He was shopping for a Scion. The local dealership merged the Scion and Toyota dealerships.

    While my son was interested in a new Tc, I advised him to hold off for another year or so to see how all of this plays out. Knowing him, he'll probably nix the Scion idea. Now, he's got his eye on a Civic Si, instead.

    He said he was the only person in the new car showroom. The good news is, they seem to have stocked up on used vehicles. And, there were some people in the used lot looking around.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,711
    >just the opposite around here (SW OH). Toyota showrooms around here are deader than doornails. Service depts seem to be busy, though. I see lots of vehicles backed up to get into the service bays.

    I see humor in that after all these years of Honda and toyo owners talking about how their cars don't need service compared to the competition. Now their service bays are flooded and the showrooms are empty! :sick:

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  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,896
    edited February 2010 son was at the performance stores...with Honda and Toyota/Scion right next to each other.
  • I wonder why they waited until now to post this? looks like someone is going to take a fall
    Just saw it myself....
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,896
    gizzer...I think that's the big complaint against Toyota.....they stalled, deflected, and hid safety problems in order to save money. In addition, it's now clear that those complaints against Toyota not reacting are legitimate. Until these documents were requested by Congress, I doubt Toyota would ever have let anyone know how they viewed their safety problems.....that is, the longer they could delay implementing safety related fixes, all the better, since it saved them millions of dollars.

    This is the first time I've seen the issues spread to the Lexus LS, as was stated in Toyota's memos. So, the fact that it's not only Toyota, but Lexus, too, and not only the Lexus ES, but LS, also....that tells me the problems are more wide spread than Toyota admitted initially.

    We haven't even seen the memos on the Prius/Lexus hybrids. Nor, the memos on the Corolla steering issues, Tacoma driveshafts, and V6 sludge problems, either. Those should be upcoming, and I'd bet all of the information is going to be "damning".
  • ingvaringvar Posts: 205
    Toyota was ignorant for too long. I hope that Toyota learn the lesson and it will bring more competition on the car market
  • gizzer777gizzer777 Posts: 336
    edited February 2010
    Pretty much my thoughts...This will make a bad situation worse. I was wondering where that "internal" document came from?...(part of what they turned over to congress?).

    I wonder what awaits the gas pedal shim fix!

    “Unfortunately, this document is very telling,” Olivia Alair, a spokeswoman for the Transportation Department, said in a statement. “We’re going to hold Toyota’s feet to the fire and make sure they do what’s necessary.”

    If that attorney's documents are the real deal it can only get worse...I agree that Lexus was "shielded" and will soon be "in the news"

    On the other side, I would bet there are many internal docs that the other car companies do not want the public to see!
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,896
    gizzer...I'm certain that there are internal documents that auto manufacturers don't want anyone to see. However, to ballyhoo the money Toyota saved by delaying and circumventing safety issues (ones that the other manufacturers had to comply with) isn't going to endear the company to anyone. Particularly, given the injuries and accidents that transpired because of those issues.

    Who even knows how many people that weren't counted, that complained about UA, braking issues, etc, that Toyota or their dealers dismissed out of hand?
  • gizzer777gizzer777 Posts: 336
    edited February 2010
    I agree 100%...thanks

    BTW...In case you have not seen it...there is also a federal Grand Jury investigating them now and requesting Documents,(as you foretasted)
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    Maybe that is why they want Toyoda in the states. Cuff him and charge him for Criminal negligence. The next few weeks should be interesting.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,711
    They may have trouble imposing their will on toyota because it is a foreign company. If toyota were required to operate as a totally US company then the congress might have better control over them as they did with the US manufacturers and ridiculing them into driving to DC.

    I wonder what was the last time any congressman from farther than Pennsylvania drove to DC for a session? Even Murtha had his own subsidized jet airport.

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  • steven39steven39 Posts: 636
    folks,the problems that toyota is haveing now has been along time in comeing.i owned many toyota cars in the 80's and early 90's when most of these cars were built in japan and all of of them were bullet proof needing only regular maintanence and all of them went over 100,000 miles with no major problems to speak of.84 celica,88 celica,and 91 camry.the problem here is that when toyota shifted production of their vehicles to the united states the quality also suffered as well.because of toyota's past reputation with quality and dependability they were still able to bring in custumers while building a much inferior product and they were getting away with it for some the percentages have caught up with toyota and you see what's happening.problems with camry tranmissions,brake pedals,corolla steering issues,ect..these problems never existed when toyota built all there cars in japan.
  • Just in

    There are probably BIG bombs in those documents
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,836
    In my opinion it is very simplistic, very wrong, and maybe trendy to allege that the current problems with Toyota vehicles are due to Toyota moving final-assembly/production to USA from Japan.

    And how many posts here say something like this:
    "I owned four 1980s Toyotas and they had no problems, so I know for sure that all the current issues with Toyotas are ______". :shades:
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,896
    These issues cover cars made in Japan, in the U.S., in China, and in Europe. So, it's pretty much company wide, regardless of the country they were made in.
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