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Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall

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  • revitrevit Posts: 476
    Toyota's fix is a bust, owners claim

    Some Toyota owners have begun complaining that their vehicles suddenly accelerated even after dealerships made repairs to fix the problem, according to reports filed with federal safety regulators.

    At least seven complaints, filed in the last two weeks with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, allege that after the recall service to modify pedals and replace floor mats the cars still surged out of control.

    Although the allegations are unverified by the agency, they are a worrying sign that the nearly 10 million recall notices issued by Toyota may not fully address the problem of unintended acceleration -- which some believe is caused by problems in the electronic throttle system, rather than mechanical issues involving pedals.

    NHTSA has said it will review Toyota electronics to see whether they are a potential cause, and the automaker has commissioned a private study of its throttle system.

    The safety agency said that it had begun to investigate the new reports of recurring sudden acceleration on Tuesday. "NHTSA has already started contacting consumers about these complaints to get to the bottom of the problem and to make sure Toyota is doing everything possible to make its vehicles safe," said David Strickland, NHTSA administrator.

    Among the other complaints was one involving a 2009 Camry in Massachusetts that "still does not respond immediately to de-accelerate" after the driver's foot is taken off the pedal, even though it was taken in under the recall Feb. 22. Another described a 2008 Avalon in Atlanta that was repaired but only a few days later "accelerated on its own and . . . did about 3 loops around the garage area of the home causing damage to the car, benches, tree, bushes, lamp post, etc."

    Some consumers don't allege unintended acceleration but say the fixes created other problems in their vehicles.

    A 2007 Camry driver from Sherrill, N.Y., for example, said that since the repair, the car idles fast in reverse, cruise control does not disengage properly and various check engine lights come on. The owner of a 2005 Avalon in Houston, meanwhile, said that following the recall service, his wife stepped on the gas and found that nothing happened, causing it to lose speed on the highway.

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  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,159
    NEWS ALERT TODAY - Toyota will be giving $100+ million to help employees to be laid off at the Toyota/GM plant here in California. Seems Toyota made statement - wish GM would do something too.

    Government Motors is not obligated to NUMMI or its employees any more since they went BK. NUMMI writeoff became part of Motors Liquidation Corp which means Goverment Motors has an excuse (surprised?) to wipe its hands of it. That was one of the high points of Lentzs trial hearing (Not many of them that's for sure). He came out and explained the Numi operation and when questioned by the Califrnia rep (forget his name) about "Stepping up and keeping the NUMMI open) he responded with something along the lines of "wish our partner would step up as well"...
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,159
    Depends on the model as far as ride goes. I drove a V6 Sport and the ride is not tuned for comfort at all. But the chassis and suspension tuning makes for a very entertaining drive, especially for and SUV. It is probably Toyotas most entertaining and sporty vehicle in the entire lineup.

    But again it's not for comfort and the interior is not even close to luxurious by any means.

    With that said, I can't see how it a Tacoma truck would be a better ride :confuse:
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,159
    edited March 2010
    Obama's Clowns Crashing Toyota's Circus

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    First, the Wall Street Journal notes that "plaintiff attorneys," the Democratic party's major paymasters, are following the testimony closely. This publicity will make it easier for them to recruit people for lawsuits against Toyota. Then once they've collected a large client base, whatever information the hearing committee collects will save them money running down data. We can expect more lawsuits complete with bogus science - if the full power of the Federal government can't find any evidence of electronic malfunction, how can an attorney, not matter how well funded by earlier settlements?

    Second, the Obama administration's popularity is dropping like a rock. From sky-high polls at his inauguration, Mr. Obama has messed up so badly that people are talking seriously of the Republicans capturing both the House and Senate this November. Politicians in that situation will do anything at all to distract voters from their failures.



    Since Toyota plants are not unionized, every Toyota sold is that much dues money that doesn't go to the United Auto Workers. Every Toyota sold is that much money that the UAW can't use to help Democrats this coming November. Barack Obama famously fired GM's CEO; in effect, he now is the CEO of "Government Motors." Is it any wonder he's using his power to promote his company and hamstring the competition?


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  • What is political crap doing in this forum? Moderator, please take action.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,679
    With that said, I can't see how it a Tacoma truck would be a better ride

    I went with them a few times up Interstate 8 for breakfast. The RAV4 was decent riding. Not as stable in the wind as my Sequoia. That section of I8 has some nasty crosswinds most of the time. I think that is what they like about the Tacoma, a more stable ride. They have the two wheel drive Tacoma with V6. They traded an F150 in on the RAV4. I don't think people like myself that are used to PU trucks, can ever really be comfortable in a sedan or foo foo CUV. I don't like driving our LS400. I am just trying to wear it out. Too bad Toyota does not build them like they did in 1990.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,679
    edited March 2010
    That is not in the Politics section. It is economic news. It seems the government has taken over everything, including production and sales of automobiles. Now they are trying to destroy the competition. Very much a part of this discussion.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,914
    Has taken over? To imply the government didn't have control eons ago? Please.
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    Hope someone that professionally works in auto development/engineering decides to take this on as a pet project. Does Toyota agree to not pursue any legal action against these individuals?
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    Now politics. This one seems to be Democratic bashing. Others I have seen seem to be Republican bashing. But it is apparent this article is not covering all the facts and statistics available. I note he quotes only the first Edmunds statistical data study on SUA/UA complaints..Yes, that long term study for totals does reveal Toyota is 17th. But does not reveal how auto manufacturers are doing more recently. First was a good study, and I commend Edmunds for undertaking this task. Then Edmunds was great and did a more recent study over past 3-4 years. Toyota had most and Ford came in second. Etc. This study can be found in Edmunds press releases at bottom of their home wesite page. And there are others available, each can be evaluated.

    Good for another opinion. But we must be fair when we evaluate. Look at all the facts out there that have come forward and compare to help validate. There is a timeline available, actions taken, documents - over the years to the present.

    Another example are the new reports coming out about Toyota's former attorney's supoenaed documents. Towns sends letter with accusations lodged against Toyota in one report. Then Issa sends Town letter accusing Town of incorrectly making statements in his letter to Toyota in one report yesterday. Another report says court documents of that case reveal SUA was was in fact claimed in that case also. A safety site has report detrimentlal to former attorney Biller. H-mmm????? Towns is chairman and would assume any letter sent and publicly released to press is representative of the committee opinion??? Chairman should have to ask for a committee vote to send such a letter and then release publicly??
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    Could this be a little "war of words" after GM make statment at an auto show claiming the supplier of steering was to blame and then made sure to mention Toyta is partial owner?? Toyota responding with a few claims of their own against GM for their bankruptcy avoidance w skipping out on Nummi workers??
  • Kirstie@EdmundsKirstie@Edmunds Posts: 10,676
    Oddly enough, the moderators agree - please leave political discussion to forums better suited for such conversation. We already have a number of topic-oriented discussions that are appropriate for UAW talk, and we even host a few politically-oriented discussions. This is not one of them.

    I see a lot of talk about the recall repair being a "bust." Has anyone here had a repair done under this recall? Do you feel it worked for you?

    Need help navigating? kirstie_h@edmunds.com - or send a private message by clicking on my name.

  • delthekingdeltheking Posts: 1,152
    Kirstie,where is the political discussion thread?Cant find it. How do you go to it from the main Edmunds forums carspace page??
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,707
    Forget Bushisms, Biden Gaffes, We have Obama blunders is one of which I'm aware, if the hosts don't mind my interjecting the link.

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  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,159
    edited March 2010
    My intentions were not to turn this into a thread about politics. I apologize if I offended you. I was sharing a link (one of many) that accuses the recent spat with Toyota nothing more than (to sum up politely) a smear campaign brought on by our Government and in an attempt to prop up it's 50 billion dollar investment in GM and to line the pockets of Attorneys and organized labor which stands to benefit from all this.

    At a maximum, sudden acceleration in Toyotas has led to 34 deaths since 2000 according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, putting it somewhere between slipping in the bathtub and being struck by lightning as a Leading Cause of Death. By way of comparison, roughly 40,000 people die in highway accidents every year. Even if all the Toyota fatalities had occurred in one year, which they didn't, that would represent less than 1/1000 of all automotive fatalities.

    If the government were really concerned about safety, they'd address the other 40,000 deaths, but that's not the point. The point is to distract voters and to enrich their union supporters


    Btw, not that it matters here but I'm pretty much non-partisan and I also voted for our current president so I have no reason to bash the party I elected. But the intentions with this whole situation are so glaringly obvious, I have lost a great deal of respect and frankly I am insulted by how low these jackholes will go to justify their actions. :sick:
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,707
    edited March 2010
    Along the same lines, I heard on an overnight talk show that the toyota problems are caused by sabotage. Also an outrageous tenet.

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  • winter2winter2 Posts: 1,796
    If Toyota suffered from any sabotage, it was by their own hand and their own arrogance.

    Toyota tried to bury their problems and sold their unsafe products to the world. They are now paying the price and will continue to pay the price with customers who will not jump to buy their products so readily. Toyota, by their own arrogance, has ruined any kind of trust they created with their loyal customers and any potentially new customers.
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    Actually - please do not feel you offended me at all. I am not (not to be mentioned here) either.

    I apologize if I offended you.

    My point was just to mention lots of news reports out there. Lots coming at us, and so difficult to keep up with them.

    I too, wish other causes of accidents were being addressed as well. But the "hot issue" now seems to be SUA/UA. Can be good, as maybe this one cause can finally be addressed.

    NHTSA has now been raised to possible total of 52 deaths as testified at last hearing, but still need to be investigated further to see if actually is a correct number. Seems like when this all started NHTSA had only one death, and then has steadily gone up. May be related to complaint categoriztion, DHTSA being a voluntary data base, etc. ???

    Thank you for letting us know how you see this. Great to see other opinions. I see this coming to be because of the San Diego crash and because driver was CHP officer..And the CHP released 911 tape. That was a heartbreaking tragedy. Four lives lost. Press pressure - story, facts came out regarding the timeline of US/SUA. Human lives were lost and hundreds of accidents possibly linked to SUA/UA exist. Just do not feel the loss of human life can just be disregarded. Numbers are just too high.

    As far as the actual numbers of UA/SUA we still don't know for sure. Toyota has many, NHTSA has some, some elsewhere, some never lodged. This is all just voluntary reporting. Studies done from NHTSA is good. Would stats be same if manufacturers legally requited to submit their complaints? I have no idea.
  • greg128greg128 Posts: 330
    edited March 2010
    .I found this in my local paper yesterday. (Long Island Newsday) I think it speaks for itself ...

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