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Acura RL

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  • ksomanksoman Posts: 590
    i disagree too, i think the my 2004 acura rl looks very statesquely "decent" even if boring and if not exciting... i know of many more people who are getting the left over RL's purely because the car looks quite decent (from outside only) even after being on the market several thousand years.... few cars can do that realistically speaking.

    as for the ES 330, bite me, pinch me, lynch me or stone me, but what's with that styling?? the last time another company made a bulbous, misformed, flying saucer like craft, they got hammered to death to a point where the said car dropped from being one of the three top sellers to being in the bottom 3 sellers (yes, you won the prize to guess, the taurus). the ES330 would have been hamered the same way if they would not have been lucky enough to have the lexus name when lexus is considered the most well built cars around.

    If people purely bought something for excitement and looks, es330 and camry would die faster than the blink of an eye.

    my 2 cents canadian$

    ksso
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,069
    I for one do not think that using Premium in a car that is specified to use Premium is anything but good economic sense. The "false economy" argument fundamentally sums this all up -- and as noted you don't have to be a weatherman to know which way the winds blows. I.E., you don't need to be a petro chemical engineer.

    The fact that the engine computer attempts to reduce the pre ignition does not, as far as I can tell, save money -- quite the contrary.

    Of course the engine that says "I am happy to run on regular" may not benefit from Premium either -- there are built in limits. If a car desgined to run on 87 or higher octane is fed 94 octane, there is probably not enough spark advance capable that would permit (or require) full "appreciation" for the extra octane. In that case, the money beyond -- perhaps 89 octane -- would be wasted. On the other hand, I know of no HARM that would happen if you used premo gas in a car that will run on regular -- other than the possible overpayment of some 10 or 20 cents per gallon -- and if you used 80 gallons a month, well you can figure out that although 10 cents too much is a waste (in the example discussed) it is hardly a life changing sum of money. Even at a nominal overpayment of 20 cents a gallon the absolute dollars wasted are small -- not unimportant, but just not big!
  • tls02tls02 Posts: 20
    In the NY area, Smithtown Acura is selling the 04 RL for about $37,000. Hope this helps. Let us know what she pays.
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    I don't know why the '04 RL gets bashed so much. To me it is a great looking car -- conservative and elegant inside and out. It also has plenty of techno gadgets to keep everyone interested. It also offers more room than the ES300,BMW ,etc. I've sat in all of those cars and to me the RL has the most comfy interior.

    Its 220+HP engine may not be a rocket but it's not a slow poke either. At mid 30K this car is a good value. For 40K plus I can see where it just wouldn't make sense at this time.

    Try an '04 demo with <5K miles... you get all of the warranty benefits, the new car smell, and a VERY nice price. Just look it over inside and out and test drive it well to make sure it has not been abused.

    Later this year I might look at a used '04 if the '05 doesn't knock my socks off. From the pictures I've seen the 05 just seems "nice" (and smaller) -- perhaps not worth the price premium it will command for the first year.
  • heywood1heywood1 Posts: 839
    Well, my sister-in-law has a Vigor now, which she bought new and loves. So a 'dated' close-out 2004 RL will be a big improvement, yet familiar. The upcoming '05 RL will be more car than she needs. Just like her Vigor, this is going to be a ten-year car-- so reliability is a big issue. We're not considering Volvo or Audi. Only other car we might consider is an also soon-to-be extinct Lexus GS300-- if we can find a 'stripper' with leather and not much else.

    We'll consider a gently used or program car with <5,000 mi. But a quick check of autotrader.com shows at least 60 new RL's within a hundred miles. And she'd prefer it to be brand new. I'm definitely shooting for at least $3,500 under invoice. Just wondering how much lower is possible. I'm beginning to think quite a bit lower....
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    What features, praytell, does a '96 era car have that the all new for '04 TL does not? Heywood, I know the ES certainly isnt for everyone, but it DOES look better than that awful bubble Taurus.

    If she needs a 10 year car, how about a CPO Lexus LS? There is no car on earth that will outlast that. The RL wont even come close. My '96 Lasted me 156,470 miles on the trade, and was trouble free all the way. CPO Lexus cars are covered to 100,000 total vehicle miles. You could get an '00 LS400 in the low 30s, and an '01 LS430 for just under 40, that would blow away any RL in EVERY feature, and be covered by the CPO warranty for roughly the same duration as a new Acura.
  • shotgunshotgun Posts: 184
    You're absolutely right gteach26! I bought a new 99'RL in 99 and it served me well. The body style didn't change, it was trouble free, and everyone liked it's conservative styling which exuded an aura of understated, but very evident, sophistication. Anticipating the introduction of the 05' RL - I sold my 99', with 58k miles, for $18k two months ago and actually hated to part with it. It had excellent road manners and was very well behaved and stable at high speeds. If the new 05' provides me with the same level of satisfaction my old 99' did - I'll be in hog heaven!
  • nebraskaguynebraskaguy Posts: 341
    The main feature I was referring to was the steering wheel that automatically tilts up and away when you remove the key. A great feature for someone with my long legs. I don't believe the TL has the auto dimming rearview mirror either, a feature I really appreciate. Also, it is quieter than the TL. In fact, my 99 RL is quieter than the TL.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Well, perhaps the RL is quieter than the TL, but the ES is quieter than the RL, and as far as the interior is concerned, its no contest. As far as the styling, I much prefer the new car, as the old pre '02 ES didnt offend anyone, much like the RL, but it doesnt inspire either.
  • ksomanksoman Posts: 590
    and the resize was against industry trend, going smaller. why? any chances of another model filling the slot above the RL? I would never think like this because I like to think that Honda as a company does not like to stretch itself thin, but based on something that caught my eye in that businessweek article that was posted here (link) a few days ago... i dunno

    ksso
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    Although the new RL will be in a more compact package (compared to current), it will be the largest Honda/Acura car (that the current RL is not). The new RL is shrinking by 4 inches to 193 inch and the cabin volume is supposed to increase from 98 cu ft to 103 cu ft (on the upper side of midsize cars).

    I like this resizing effort, and performance focus, from Acura. This might help Honda in markets (especially Europe) where a more compact package is more desirable, and that may be a goal.

    So, the Acura sedan trio will have lengths (width would be in 70-72 inch range for all) of...
    183 inch: TSX (Compact)
    188 inch: TL (Midsize - Lower side)
    193 inch: RL (Midsize - Upper side)

    This leaves enough room for a full size luxury sedan above RL! May be, thats another plan at AHM!
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    It's possible. But I doubt we'll see it within the next 5 years. IMHO, that makes it a poor subject for speculation. A lot can happen in 5 years.
  • ksomanksoman Posts: 590
    but seeing that there is a trend to lower the size on both the TL and then the RL...

    yesterday i drove past 3 TL's on the NJTP... I was staring at them because that shape sure has grown on me and they were staring at me because i was driving my wife's 3 with the top down in 65 degree, cloudy weather.
  • steveaccordsteveaccord Posts: 108
    OK my point in this regard is that we tend to forget that this car is sporting the new ACE engineering. No doubt that ACE is a big assett in Honda strategy to assert its leadership in car safety and superior engineering. That said I aasume that given the goal of allowing force impact/dissipation in a totally new way (so to withstand impacts even if it is between sedan/truck etc..) there has to be changes in some of the major cage/front/rear strucure.
    So I guess compared to a non ACE car there has to be a different styling to accomodate for the different skeleton. We can agree that although the new RL is not heart shattering it is nice looking.

    My take: Good looks alone do not carry you for too long (just as for ourselves I guess). So I'll prefer keep an ACE up my sleeve! lol

    Steve
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    A full size Honda, if it ever happens, is a long way off. You're talking about developing a V8, a new platform, and major factory retooling to actually build all that new stuff. Honda is busy trying to figure out why its bread and butter isnt selling like it used to, and get more production capacity for its trucks\minivans. Some sort of LS fighter (which has NEVER worked, that car is unfightable) isnt a priority for them.
  • steveaccordsteveaccord Posts: 108
    Sorry guys, I perceive some confusion here.
    Lets start by defining an Octane. Octane indicates the lenght (in number of carbon atoms) of an aliphatic chain (a string of beads in which the beads are carbon atoms with hydrogen atoms linked to each of them.
    Do not get scared you are familiar with aliphatic compounds even though you may not recognize so. The butane gas cartridge you use(d) for your camping. Propane is another one. Propane is infact a 3 Carbon chain, butane is a 4 carbon chain, ethane (for which we all have prefernce of the alchool form, ethanol) is 2 and methane is 1.
    OK now that we have the basic chemistry what do you have in a 87 octane and what do you have in a 91 octane gasoline.
    The same stuff! Surprised? Let me explain.
    The Octane numbers you read at the pump only tells you that for 100 parts of fuels 87 (or 91 id you are getting premium rather than normal) are.........
     (sorry I have to finish the post later in an hour or so)
  • steveaccordsteveaccord Posts: 108
    OK (Nanny call!!).........guaranteed to have chain lenght of 8 Carbon atoms. What is the importance of that. Well if you were to use fuel with an high amount of shorter alyphatic chains you would have 'explosive combustion'. Meaning the butane and propane would have so low ingintion points (flash points) that your egnine wold be undergoing solicitation such as those obtained with detonating TNT. That anyhow remains a problem with the final gasoline you purchase (87-91 octanes) at the pump and that's why you have a 10% made up of an 'anti-detonating agent' (nowdays is ethanol at ~ 10% while time back Lead containing chemicals were used).
    So now back to the 87 vs. 91 issue. Any modern vehicle, unless otherwise stated by the manufaturers, is built to give optimum performance and adding a 4% of 8 Carbon atom lenght alyphatic chains (i.e. 91 octanes) is not going to give you any benefit whatsoever.
    I believe a lot of people supposes that higher octanes equal cleaner gasoline... not so.
    The same is true for 91 vs. 94. The gain of 3% is irrelevant, if the manufacturer asks for premiummake sure is the one that saves you money because you are not keeping the engine cleaner, you are not getting more miles etc. These benefits are achieved by other means. To give you an extreme example, 'lighter fuels' such as those in use in Formula 1 racing do give you more mileage (dont ask me what they cost! an absurdity), and cleaner gasoline is not measured by octanes but other processing steps. Ultimately the higher price for higher octanes is dependent not on intrinsic qualities but simply reflect 'lower yelds' from startin row material, so you need to pick up the tab!
    Final advice, run on the gasoline that your manufacturer suggest and identify the distribution brand that provide good quality at reasonable price!
    Bye...for now
  • legendmanlegendman Posts: 362
    >If she needs a 10 year car, how about a CPO Lexus LS? <

    What's a "CPO"? _____________ previously owned?
  • legendmanlegendman Posts: 362
    Are we still talking about octane???????????????
  • legendmanlegendman Posts: 362
    Out west, the smart money is on Chevron gasoline with Techron. Apparently the gas is so clean burning and has such a good detergent package that all of the big 3 automakers use Chevron gasoline exclusively when performing EPA mileage tests for their new car models.

    As Chevron is not manufactured east of Kentucky, the automakers have tanker trucks haul the gas back to Detroit for use in their new cars.
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