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Acura RL

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  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    I think would take more than just changing the driving wheels. The 5 series offers a great deal more content and refinement than the TL. I'm not knocking the TL (which is pretty spiffy), but they are not of the same caliber in many respects.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    There are other glitches by Safari...like refusing to open up mini loads on Acura's home page and running slide shows on Shutterfly Albums that show only half of the pictures....so then I go to Internet Explorer and all is fine. Maybe future Safari upgrades will get it right! Thanks Steve
    Incidently "Cognoscenti" is obsolete Italian taken from the Latin word "cognoscens" English translation (A connoisseur) ;).....JJ
  • In addition to black and white, the other colors I saw were blue, red, desert mist and silver (I think). I lean to the darker colors, but I have a thing about not having lots-of-chrome, which is accentuated in the dark colors. Generally among the not-light colors, I like the medium gray/green/blues that you see a lot. Pretty subtle, barely even a color, like steel. BMW has a number of them. So, at Acura, colorwise, the look of a low-chrome TL in Anthracite Metallic appeals to me the most.
    It seems that the earlier RL prototype had color-matching side and rear molding (see http://www.acuraworld.com/~hafid/05RL/nyauto_rlconcept_1fr.jpg) and the production model has added a thinner chrome strip on top of that, like a molding on a molding. Kind of an afterthought.

    Following this picky approach on the 2005 RL, I think that I’m left with the lightest dark color, the one that highlights the added chrome least. That’s the new “lakeshore silver”. It’s backwards, kind of like two negatives may make a positive for me.

    Actually I think the light silver RL looks good too, but I live in a condo, and my assigned spot has two silver cars to the left of it and one to the right. Although “uniformity” in appearance is the objective, often the rule, within condo developments, ours has gone in the other direction for cars, demanding diversity, and added to the condo by-laws that “no more than three cars of identical, or identical for all intents and purposes (as judged by the Board), may be parked in consecutive spaces, for more than 12 hours, or overnight.” There is also an auxiliary rule saying that “For any six consecutive spaces, there must be at least three distinct colors of cars represented, such that...”. As luck would have it, at my condo, there is a navy blue car parked on each side of the silvers. So no dark blue car for me. Now... I told the condo Board that at my parent’s condo in Florida, there are mostly silver and white cars parked, and they don’t have any rules like ours. Some board members and other residents are sympathetic and may consider a minor change in the by-laws or maybe a senior-citizen exemption, but that couldn’t be done until March 2005 at the condo annual meeting. And we (my wife especially) can’t wait that long.
  • >I believe it is not exactly your iMac but your browser (Safari) that remembers what page you saw last on that computer. One little perk for the 'cognoscenti'. ;-) <

    Hey, as we 'cognoscenti' know, once you go MAC you never go back!

    My ride is an Apple G4 Silver doored mini-tower with Dual 1.25 GHz processors, 1.75 GB DDR SDRAM, running OS X 10.3 -- it's a rocket.

    (A stalwart Mac enthusiast since 1984 - Honda enthusiast since 1982)
  • In addition to black and white, the other colors I saw were blue, red, desert mist and silver (I think). I lean to the darker colors, but I have a thing about not having lots-of-chrome, which is accentuated in the dark colors. Generally among the not-light colors, I like the medium gray/green/blues that you see a lot. Pretty subtle, barely even a color, like steel. BMW has a number of them. So, at Acura, colorwise, the look of a low-chrome TL in Anthracite Metallic appeals to me the most.
    It seems that the earlier RL prototype had color-matching side and rear molding (see http://www.acuraworld.com/~hafid/05RL/nyauto_rlconcept_1fr.jpg) and the production model has added a thinner chrome strip on top of that, like a molding on a molding. Kind of an afterthought.

    Following this picky approach on the 2005 RL, I think that I&#146;m left with the lightest dark color, the one that highlights the added chrome least. That&#146;s the new &#147;lakeshore silver&#148;. It&#146;s backwards, kind of like two negatives may make a positive for me.

    Actually I think the light silver RL looks good too, but I live in a condo, and my assigned spot has two silver cars to the left of it and one to the right. Although &#147;uniformity&#148; in appearance is the objective, often the rule, within condo developments, ours has gone in the other direction for car colors, demanding diversity, and added to the condo by-laws that &#147;no more than three cars of identical, or identical for all intents and purposes (as judged by the Board), may be parked in consecutive spaces, for more than 12 hours, or overnight.&#148; There is also an auxiliary rule saying that &#147;For any six consecutive spaces, there must be at least three distinct colors of cars represented, such that...&#148;. As luck would have it, at my condo, there is a navy blue car parked on each side of the silvers. So no dark blue car for me. Now... I told the condo Board that at my parent&#146;s condo in Florida, there are mostly silver and white cars parked, and they don&#146;t have any rules like ours. Some board members and other residents are sympathetic and may consider a minor change in the by-laws or maybe a senior-citizen exemption, but that couldn&#146;t be done until March 2005 at the condo annual meeting. And we (my wife especially) can&#146;t wait that long.
  • I tried the link you provided but only got an expired web page. Could you check that again?

    As to your condo rules: are you serious? I have heard about these boards being incredibly anal, but dictating car color diversity/in parking spaces/over time seems an equation that adds up to lunacy of the highest order.

    Hey, why not ask the board to consider whether it also has jurisdiction over brand names? You know, no more than two Chevy's in a row. Playing the game by their bizzaro rules, maybe you could argue that your 2005 Acura RL would be the only one in your parking complex. That sounds like diversity to me.

    ;-)
  • >There are other glitches by Safari...like refusing to open up mini loads on Acura's home page and running slide shows on Shutterfly Albums that show only half of the pictures....so then I go to Internet Explorer and all is fine. Maybe future Safari upgrades will get it right! <

    Incidently "Cognoscenti" is obsolete Italian taken from the Latin word "cognoscens" English translation (A connoisseur) ;).....JJ <

    I don't think that's so much of a glitch as it is a question of the web site developer optimizing the site for a browser like Microsoft Explorer.

    Any one who has ever built a web site knows that what may look perfect on Explorer might look way out of whack on Netscape.

    Since something like 94% of all computer users use a PC and not a Mac (Apple), it would make little sense for Acura to spend the time (now, or ever) to build the site to optimize Apple's Safari browser, used by a very small percentage of global users.

    From Merriam Webster On-Line:
    Cognoscenti -- obsolete Italian (now conoscente), from Latin cognoscent-, cognoscens, present participle of cognoscere : a person who is especially knowledgeable in a subject: CONNOISSEUR
  • I fixed the link to the RL prototype picture.

    No, just kidding. I'm on the condo board, and the real parking rules are complicated and restrictive. Nothing about colors. Yet.

    But there are three silver cars around my car, and two blues outside of them.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    TTB: Thanks for fixing that link....the best Photo I have seen yet from the rear angle of the new RL. Glad you were kidding about your Condo Parking rules...Can't imagine living like that except maybe in a Mad Mad Mad World with Jonathon Winters as your neighbor!
    Legend: Glad to know you are steeped in Mac. Hope you are available for me to run quick questions on occasion. I used Gateway PCs for many years and finally found the way with Mac! Being retired I have relatively lots of time so I still use a dial up connection but one of these days will probably go Roadrunner for some High Speed. Thanks for the info on Safari.
     
    I'll be visiting my pregnant daughter in Houston soon. She is due Oct 8th...we will stay for a couple weeks until the baptism so more than likely I will be going over to Gilman Acura in North Houston to test drive the new RL, coincidence being we were there last year when the New TL was introduced ....its going to feel like Groundhog Day. Who knows...maybe we will return to Wisconsin in a new car! (Any comments on whether or not that would be an OK way to break in a new car...1,250 miles at 73 MPH?
  • I'm a big Acura fan in need of advice. I put 80,000 miles on a '90 Legend without a hiccup and then purchased a '93 Legend which I still own. It has 156,000 on it and other than standard maintenance (timing chain at 90K, etc.) it has cost me nothing. It's time to get an RL and I'm not willing to pay the price for the '05 RL (it sounds like a phenomenal vehicle). I'm finding that most dealers in NJ have sold all their '04 RL's and I'm wondering what I lose feature-wise if I purchased a used '03 or '02 RL? I need the space an RL offers (3 kids) so I guess the TL is not an option. Any and all advice is appreciated.
  • natenate Posts: 12
    I read on the Acura website that RL tires are 245/50R17. When I do a search on Tirerack.com only two tires comeup that size. An ultra high performance Michelin, and Dunlop sp 5000. Does any one know what type or brand of all season tires the RL come with?
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,669
    Ahhh a condo run by Stalin.

    My take is; get what you want and let them come after you. What's the penalty for having an improper colored car?

    Then again with rules like that, I'd revolt with pink flamingos as parking space adornments.
  • The prototype at the show had Michelin tires. It seems the more likely choice. Even the 05 TL (w/nav) comes with Michelin instead of the infamous BS EL42!
  • Acurafan:

    Before you give up on a new (2004) RL, why not get on your computer and look up some other Acura dealerships in surrounding states, and check their inventory? I don't know the geographical lay of the land there but perhaps you are close enough for a half day drive in a direction of a state that would have a car. You can negotiate over the phone, then go and pick up the car, or even arrange to have it delivered (I would opt for the former). I certainly would not be concerned about buying the car in New York, for example, then getting it serviced in New Jersey. Despite what some of the salesman tell you, all dealerships are more than happy to have your service department dollars!

    If driving to another state, or a distant spot within your state does not appeal to you, and you are willing to pay a premium, you could go to your local Acura dealer and ask them to do a "dealer trade", where they search for, locate, then buy the car from another dealer that has one and then they in turn sell it to you -- obviously at a somewhat greater cost.

    As for used models, my generic advice would be to get a 2003 if possible. I believe that the navigation systems were refined in each successive year, so if navi is an important feature for you, a later model car may be the better choice. On the other hand, a two year old model coming off of a lease ought to be in nice shape, with low miles while still in warranty.

    The 2004 and 2003 models were both generally excellent cars, terrific values then and now. I would bargain hard however on a used model, given that now in 2005 there has been a quantum leap forward in both body style and technology; thus the older RLs will likely command less in resale now and especially down the road a few years.
  • >Does any one know what type or brand of all season tires the RL come with?<

    I believe that Acura and Honda have been putting Michelin's on their full size cars for a good ten years. Honda Motor Company trusts Michelin, and with good reason. I suppose that there may have been a few exceptions on past occasions, but I would be very surprised if this new RL did not come down off the truck wearing Michelin's.

    If I am wrong on the Michelin's than I think they would be Dunlop's. I could not envision Acura using Goodyear, Pirreli or even Bridgestone's on this car. Obviously Firestone ain't in the running -- now or any time soon -- on this car or any car with a reputation at stake. And I venture to say that they aren't going to go with exotic Japanese or Korean tires either.

    Other viewpoints, gentlemen?
  • >I make heavy use of manual shifting to gain more control. I like a stick… it&#146;s fun, so does my wife, but after forty-years I may be ready for an automatic.<

    Yeah, I used to like a stick, but after years of commuting to work in the snow of the midwest and later the congested freeways of California, once I got an automatic I never looked back. Besides, with all the other distractions, including cell phones, it's good to have use of your right hand.

    Not to split hairs, but I wonder aloud what constitutes better "control" of the car. Other than downshifting while on curves or approaching a stop light, I don't see how a stick driver would have materially more control when driving. If you think about it, with all the herking and jerking that goes on as one goes up or down through the gears, I think that if one could look closely enough, you'd see variations in steering direction during some up-shifts or down-shifts. (Yeah, I know some of you guys will say that your shifting is smooth as silk, but I think under close up, slow motion photography, one would see that the path the car takes during shifting is not a perfect straight line; and in any event not as straight as would come with an automatic.) Your left arm has to steer, your left leg has to clutch, your right leg has to press down or come up off the gas pedal -- or brake pedal -- and you must of course shift with your right hand. Your entire body is having to manage all these functions in perfect time, meanwhile you have to look out the windshield and manage traffic intervals, stop lights, pedestrians and other obstacles.

    Today's commercial and fighter pilots are being relieved of having to "fly the plane" by automated systems that free the pilot to concentrate on other matters. I would submit that by driving the automatic, you would be able to put more brain power into all the demands that modern day driving requires. The new SH-AWD will give drivers an unprecedented level of control, allowing the driver to focus on the road, getting the most out of the car; all without a manual shift.
  • ksomanksoman Posts: 590
    The s2000's rolled with pirelli's for a while, don't know if they still do.

    ksso
  • ksomanksoman Posts: 590
    however much i love to row stick on my own, at this point in evolution, its becoming immaterial.

    on another note, honda automatics downshift when you brake, i know they started doing that sometime in the early 90s with their automatics.

    ksso
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Not to be contrary, but I find that driving my wife's TL (auto) allows my brain to wander. Most often it finds things other than driving for its subject matter. Meanwhile, driving my manual forces me to keep in sync with the process of driving.
  • ksomanksoman Posts: 590
    Ok so the specs for the V6-VCM-Hybrid Accord is announced and its hitting the market at the start of December.

    I am putting $10 bet that this will make it to the RL in its mid-cycle freshening ;)
    3.5 V6-VCM with 350 HP & 300 Lb/ft, fuel economy of 27 city, 34 highway for MY2007?

    ksso
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    I wouldn’t bet against you. :-)
  • Legendman, thanks for your sound advice. Earlier today I located a dealer 50 miles away with an '04 RL (nighthawk black pearl/parchment) willing to heavily discount the price. Tomorrow I go to close the deal. I think I'll keep my '93 Legend because I view it as worth more than a trade would bring. Again, thanks for your help.
  • ksomanksoman Posts: 590
    The value of keeping that 93 and running it till it passes to its heavenly abode one fine day is incomparable... hold on to it.

    ksso
  • howachowac Posts: 52
    Off topic:

    The S2000 has always had special Bridgestone Potenza S-02 tires that were specifically designed for the car. I'm not sure what the new 2004 models have because the tire/wheel diameter increased.
  • That's great news Acurafan! I'm sure you'll be very happy with the car.

    I trust that you have checked here on Edmunds.com and Kelly Blue Book (kbb.com) as to the actual invoice cost on the car.

    For what its worth, I've also had good luck using Consumer Report's car pricing program. For $12 bucks they will let you know the dealers costs in great detail, and also inform you of any "spiffs" (salesman incentives), dealerhold back, or factory clearance discount programs, all of which could represent several thousand bucks off the car.

    All of these will make for good bargaining chips. Speaking of which, it would probably be a good idea to find another 2004 RL car somewhere within driving distance, so if need be, you can casually point out during negotiations that ABC and XYZ dealerships also have other RL cars which are for sale at very competitive prices (which you've learned by calling their sales departments). Your "current" dealer won't want to lose you to another dealer!

    Please let us know the price you finally agreed on for your 2004 RL. There are others like you looking for 2004s.
  • Hi Legendman. I have a written quote for $37,400 with no destination charges. Tax, documentation fees and registration brought the total to $39,912. The key to the aggressive discounting is the fact that the factory gives a $3,500 credit back to the dealer on the car through 11/1 (discovered this on Edmunds)and they passed most of that savings to me as they lowered the invoice price. I placed a deposit with them via credit card and the specific vehicle is identified in the quote via VIN so hopefully all will go smoothly tomorrow. Will let you know. Thanks again.
  • bobb1bobb1 Posts: 22
    Buy the 05, it is awsome and your family will be safer - it's in the dealers Oct14 - go Oct 30 at 6pm and they will deal.
  • natenate Posts: 12
    I did further search and find out that Pirelli PZero System Asimmetrico also comes in 245/50zr17 which is a summer performance tire. I personally hope that the car does come with the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S since it is all season and has better snow traction than Pirelli and Dunlop. I wish they would use a 245/45r17 or 235/45r17 size since it would give a larger choice of tires. Although one could probably use the one closest to the original size, but wonder what it would do to the ride characterstics of the car with the smaller sidewall.
  • shotgunshotgun Posts: 184
    What is the significance of the high compression ratio the new 05' RL offers? What are the benefits? Drawbacks?...Thanks
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