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Acura RL

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Gulp! I can't believe I'm going to say this, but out of those pics I like the Lexus' interior the best.

    The RL looks like a kid's car with all that techno-looking stuff. I just don't think buyers of 45K luxury sedans want all that flash in their interiors. They want a conservative, but rich looking interior with all the right features. The Acura's looks overdone and contrived, as if they tried to compensate for something.

    The Cadillac just looks plain blah. Ditto for the Audi. Why on earth did Audi go from having a 6-disc in-dash CD play to placing it in the glovebox is beyond me. They were the only German until the 2003 E-Class to have such a setup! Duh.

    Strangely enough the A6's interior looks like a BMW 5-Series and a Acura TL, both previous versions that is, mated with each other.

    M
  • saugataksaugatak Posts: 488
    Yeah, I'm not sure about the RL's interior. It's a little overdone IMO.

    The Lexus interior is nice too. I actually don't like all the wood all over the place. A little wood is OK, but Lexus doesn't need to kill a tree per car either.

    Legendman: good catch on the Infiniti M's CD opener being just in front of the shifter. What a terrible ergonomic decision.

    I wish Infiniti would just get rid of their stupid analog clock. The room it takes could be better used to space all the other controls better.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Lexus (much like Jaguar) likes to use lots of wood, they arent raw sports cars, and they dont pretend to be. The black with dark red wood is a bit too dark for me, but I think with a tan interior it would be the classiest of the bunch. The Cadillac looks dated. Its nice and all, just the layout and design look like they came from an early '90s car. The STS doesnt do much for me. I'm sure Mark is going to say the Audi's interior is great, but I just dont buy it. The old car had the best, warmest, most inviting interior in its class. This new.. thing.. looks like it came from Star Trek. The splotches of wood just look out of place.
  • saugataksaugatak Posts: 488
    Not criticizing Lexus interiors. I've never seen a bad Lexus interior.

    I'm more into interior ergonomics, being able to see the rpm meter easily, being able to hit the right buttons without losing sight of the road, and having high quality plastics instead of the cheap ones that rattle all the time.

    Just my personal preference is all.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    Infiniti M35/45 has the worst interior layout. Bold, and different sure it is, but logical it is not.

    I'm still a big fan of controls staring at me, rather than me having to look at them. Among all the interiors posted here, the Infiniti has the most truck-like appearance.

    The GS interior is okay, but it is nothing different from the norm.

    The way the console sits in the RL is a tamed down version of the same Honda has showcased in several concepts lately, and it is a little different, yet quite conventional. I like it the best. Looks more like Saab's than an Audi.

    Cadillac interior is nothing to brag about either, but the plastic seems to have the traditional GM feel to it.

    I'm disappointed with the A6 interior. Possibly the worst of the bunch.
  • starkystarky Posts: 7
    expect the new rl to be equipped with 255 50R 17 WRA kevlar tires.
  • ksomanksoman Posts: 590
    Nissan's new styles are completely euro influenced.. no wait, they are completely franco influenced. Just live in france for a while and you'll realize how close to the Reanults they look now.

    I've personally never been a fan of the Infinity or Nissan badges, I think their quality sux, but in today's lease driven world, i'm the fool because people really give a damn about quality, us few might disagree, but overall, the market statistics speaks for it. Why else would so many VW's and Nissan's be on the road?

    For some reason the M looks ugly in the pictures posted here, but the exterior looked better in person compared to a RL as far as the model displayed at the NY Auto show is concerned. In the end, tons of Acura loyalists might return to the RL just cuz they all think the company is roaring lately.

    Whether we like it or not, niether the Merc, nor the BMW, nor the Audi, nor the Lexus are really the pinnacle of car-dom... they are just significantly up on the ladder. They really represent the upper-middle class of the car-dom. If you were car-rich, you would be in 150K + rides. But in this upper-middle class too, there is the catching up with joneses.. and there is a definitive pecking order. The Merc reigns for whatever it's worth. The BMW is always dying to be there. The audi is a necessary third. Like it or not... and however well crafted and wonderful the LS430 or similar lexus's might be, it is a 4th in "class". If you had 120K to buy a car, you'd blindly go buy a s600. If you had 110K, you'd blindly go buy a 760iL. If you had 90K, you'd go get a loaded s500, a little less and a 745iL.. and then if you can't pull out all those wads of cash, you'll go with a LS430. That's just the reality of this upper middle class pecking order. The VW paethon, the Inifinity Q45... these are just wannabe's in this segment. Jaguar, its a niche player, but the brand is significantly watered down by the introduction of the X type. It was like a duke marrying a commoner... too sad, as shrek would say it, "they judge me before they even know me"... syndrome mires our world. I own 3. When I step out of the S-tye or the wife's 3 convertible, I have noticed how nice I get treated. When I step out of my old "drive to the station everyday" mitsubishi mirage, people give me the "yeah whatever" treatment... that's life. Acura is nowhere close to the upper middle class of car-dom. They do significantly well in our wannabe category. I think the TSX rides damn well and the TL is wonderful... lets see how much success the RL gives Acura. It surely doesn't look as appealing as a Renault influenced M, but i'd never buy an M when compared to an RL... because overnight stars are almost always fickle.
  • jeff88jeff88 Posts: 94
    The new rl in the pictures shown comaparing to the m looks pretty darn good to me. BTW, the m looks good too. Would think the parchment interior in the rl would look better than the picture shown above.

    Guess I'm not too concerned about the socio/economic aspects of the ride. if that was my bottom line, then for perception, sadly, mb would still win even to we all know their quality level is less than percieved. of the rides mentioned in this class, there are no dogs in the group, just variations of personal tastes.
  • ksomanksoman Posts: 590
    actually quality becomes moot after a certain point. you don't care either way. That's my perception based on some people I know well who own 100K +/- range cars. Their only issue is headaches and how little will this bother me. But when you drive up to a dealership in a 100K range car, and want something fixed, if you aren't being treated right, with kid gloves, champagne and the stuff, then that dealership wouldn't be in business anyways.

    but at half that price point, I think quality plays a big game. I absolutely expect the RL to be better quality, and better than the M.

    ksso
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    Great pics lexusguy... your post (#1560) makes it real easy to compare the vehicles. I'll be going back to that post often. Thanks!
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    The M35 looks good, but not great. In profile, the car has a nice shape... good proportions. It's athletic without resorting to the steeply raked beltline and uber-short decklid. I prefer to have some character lines or creases, but that's just a personal preference. Although the grill reminds me a "Jaws" of Moonraker fame, I can also appreciate the front end. It's not my taste (too bold), but it catches the eye in a good way. All in all I would have to give the look a thumbs up. But you have to add me to the list of people who hate (yes, a strong word) the tail lights. That is the worst back end I've seen since the current Accord. With soft curves all over the profile and front end, there's no reason for staight lines and harsh angles in the back.

    When I compare that with the RL, I think the M35 will turn more heads, but the RL will look good longer. Nissan's stylists have been playing the flavor of the month. They do it well, but it lacks universal appeal. That is something that I think the RL has in spades. The look may not turn heads, but it looks good and will keep looking good for a long time. When I think of a car to compare it with, I think of the new Volvos. It doesn't look like any of them, but it has the same stylish-without-using-too-much-make-up appearance.

    Acura is finally developing a brand theme for their vehicles. The grill and head lamps are starting to stand out as a recognizable brand trait. The lines coming down off the hood and framing the grill are also consistent. Acura has resorted to the raked beltline and short decklid (especially with the TL), but have done so in a tasteful manner. While the whole look may not scream sporty when applied to the RL, I think that kinda underscores the role of the car. At this level of play, competitors should not be screaming.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,049
    You know what they say about opinions and I respect yours.

    However, having said that, virtually every editor, author or automotive journalist who has put down some ink on the subject has said "Audi, always known for its jewel like interiors has outdone its current interiors and cranked the bar up several notches with this new for 05 A6" [sic].

    Not that 5 or 6 automotive journalists and the local weekend car editor for the Cincinnati Enquirer are flawless judges of character, but I, for one -- only having seen and sat in the latest A8L and having seen several mug shots like the one you posted -- rank the Audi certainly above the Cadillac and, frankly, above the Japanese interiors, but I will also add that I am NOT a fan of black interiors and that, alone, might have been the turn off for me.

    As a matter a fact, I prefer browns, ecru or camel interiors by far over the blacks, whites, greys, etc -- so, I "ought" to like the Caddy even better, but it still looks like it was put together out of pieces, unlike the other interiors, which, to a one seem to me to have been formed out of a single piece (of something).

    To me, FWIW, the Audi is the most cockpit like, the most driver oriented of the lot.

    I guess we can agree to disagree.

    And, BTW, the two Japanese cars' interiors, in Ecru, for example, would probably be great, too!

    I can't see myself with a black interior, been there, done that, hard to keep clean and talk about hot cross buns on a summer day in shorts -- ouch!!!!

    Finally, I don't like the Acura steering wheel as much as I like the others.

    I know, taste is in one's mouth. . . .
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    I've always been of the opinion that metallic accents should be used as "accents" and not cover whole surfaces. The same goes for wood, although the natural grain of wood makes it a bit less offensive to my eyes.

    Taking a look at these in order:

    http://www.fast-autos.net/infiniti/m45concept18.jpg

    I don't like the high contrast in those particular color choices. I don't like the large metallic surface around the shifter and lower dash, but it's not too bad. I've seen much worse. I don't like the dash pointing up at the roof or their attempt to make the buttons like like parts of the background dash material. The pedals under the dash are garish. Most aftermarket designs look better.

    That said, I do like the fact that they refrained from using slick wood or metal surfaces on the steering wheel. The two tone leather looks good and remains functional. The use of small chrome accents on the air vents, steering wheel, and doors is done well. I like the fact that the NAV display is high up on the dash in clear view. It does seem a bit small in the picture, though. I also like the fact that the dash is not cluttered with every button known to man.

    http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/V- - - EHICLE/2006/Lexus/100284903/028744-E.jpg

    Don't like the wood wheel (but do like the 3 spoke design). I wish the seats had some texture. I know that's nice quality leather in there, but the flat, uncreased looks bloated. They should have taken some of the metallic accent from around the center stack and used it to highlight parts of the wheel controls. The gauge cluster looks boring in that pic.

    I like the size of the NAV screen. I'd prefer it to be higher, but it's so low that it would bother me. The soft lines they've added to the flat expanse of the upper dashboard are very nice (though breaking up the space with an accent panel would have been better). Like the Infiniti, they've positioned the transmission controls on the side of the driver. Good idea.

    http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/V- EHICLE/2005/Acura/100197761/029699-E.jpg

    Hello big knob. Too much wood running through the middle of the dash. What's up with the cyclopian slit above the NAV. Rather have a 3 spoke wheel.

    Great use of colors. I love the gauge clusters that I've seen in recent Acuras. The blue tone is well matched from display to display. (Audi sucks with their 50 shades of red.) The use of metal surfaces in the center stack is borderline obnoxious, but it makes more sense because they repeated that texture in other areas (door handles, steering wheel emblem, etc.). Good placement of the NAV. I like the split armrest design. It gives the illusion of personal space.

    I've run out of time, so I can't comment on them all (you folks got lucky this time). But the others appeal the least to me.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    The 2006 M is the best looking car in the bunch. Interior-wise, I like the RL.

    I don't see much of the Passat in the Altima, to the extent that they're both 4 door family sedans.

    Does the M resemble the Altima? Sure, in the same way that...

    The S-class resembles the C-class
    The 5 resembles the 3
    The Phaeton resembles the Passat
    The LS resembles the Avalon

    And the list goes on.

    Honda and Nissan just have different design philosophies. Nissan designs are polarizing, either you really like 'em or you really dislike 'em. Honda designs tend to be neutral to most people.
  • starkystarky Posts: 7
    Here are some colour combos for the 2005 model:
    Celestial Silver with Black
    Magnum Grey with Black
    Champagne with Parchment
    Black with Black or Parchment
    Premium Pearl White with Black or Parchment
    Deep Blue Pearl with Black or Parchment
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    I prefer the Acura four spoke steering wheel over the three spoke found on other cars. My hand tends to sit on the bottom of the steering wheel on longer drives and with the three spoke design (like my wife's RX300) I just can't find a comfy spot.

    Just a little annoyance that I can adjust to though.

    I WISH there was a non-black interior shot of the RL out there. Like some poster from above, I do not like black interiors in cars either and feel that while "sporty-looking" they make the vehicle look smaller and almost claustrophobic. The beige caddy interior shot from above seems like a breath of fresh air -- even though it does seem like the interior was pasted together from different parts.

    If anyone has spotted a non-black interior pic of the RL please chime in with the link.

    Thanks!
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    You're just plain wrong, all over the place. I know several people with A LOT more money than me, and not one of them has "blindly bought an S600". One of them drives an LS430, one has a ton of cars, including a CLK430, a Porsche 911 Turbo, a Range Rover, and a BMW Z8. Another drives an XJR cause he's big Jag guy. I also hate to burst your "Germans are best" bubble, but in this market Lexus beats Audi bub. Just look at the residual value. If the Audi badge meant anything to anybody, a 3 year old A6 4.2 wouldnt be quite so worthless.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    I second the opinion that Lexus has supplanted Audi in the prestige ladder the general public's eye. Lexus has almost become synonymous with quality. For example, it's to the point where people would refer to a high quality lawn mower as "the Lexus of lawn mowers."

    I'd say:

    1) MB. Previously thought untouchable, but BMW and Lexus have gained in the past decade. More and more people beginning to realize that reliability in MB leaves a lot to be desired. Still number one though.

    2) BMW. Overall, still considered ahead of Lexus due to ultra upper-level cars such as the 760Li and the Z8, as well as ultimate sports sedan/coupes such as the M5 and M3.

    3) Lexus. Near impeccable quality, refinement, reliability and interiors. People aren't swept off their feet by their styling or performance, however.

    4) Audi. Nice interiors. Lexus has clearly supplanted them in brand cache.

    5) Acura and Infiniti. Still trying to gain recognition. Infiniti has more promise in the future due to their willingness to branch out in the upper-level lux category.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Lexus may not be in 3rd for long. There are supposed to be IS350GT, GS350GT, and LS500GTs to compete with the likes of BMW and M-Bs in house tuner cars and V12s, with WAAAAY better gas mileage. The LS500GT is also supposed to be reaching the $100K mark as well, which may help establish them as a world player among the best of the best. Rumors are as much as 600hp for the 500GT. We all know it takes more than horsepower to make a true performance sedan, so how much stiffness they are willing to dial into the suspension remians to be seen.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    These three:

    The S-class resembles the C-class
    The 5 resembles the 3
    The Phaeton resembles the Passat

    are supposed to resemble each other. They're the same brand of car.

    This one:

    The LS resembles the Avalon

    shouldn't and isn't supposed too, they're not the same "brand". Lexi will tell you that Lexuses are totally different from Toyotas in every way, but..........

    I agree totally with your brand assessment in your last post, and while Lexus may have more clout or prestige than Audi (not to me personally, but anyway), Audi is seen as a far more "cooler" more "hip" choice. The A4's buyers are lot younger the ES330's, but probably the same as the few IS300 buyers that actual exists.

    M
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