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Acura RL

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  • kenw1kenw1 Posts: 30
    With all the computer chips and new technology in the RL, I wonder about its reliability, at least for the first 12-18 months. Does Acura provide free maintenance for the first 3/4 years like BMW and Audi? If not, there may be additional costs involved to cover the new tech's teething problems.
  • prophet2prophet2 Posts: 372
    should be covered under the manufacturer's basic four year/50K miles bumper-to-bumper warranty, wouldn't you think?

    Once again, I reiterate: the "free" maintenance for the first 3-4 years on some cars isn't really "free." It's factored into the price of the car.
  • Hi,
    let me preface my rebuttal to your arguments by saying I generally agree that a good dose of skepticism is very healthy.
    Thats said let me tell youo why those reasoning are partially at fault IMO.
    Just following the common sense that Honda/Acura have a reputation for reliability to uphold, and the lack of any desperate situation that would have them push something rush in the market (may be you should have some worries should a Ford or similarly struggling brand be the candidate), does genreally lead me to believe that the innovation introduced in the RL is going to be totaly unobstructive of your enjoying this car.
    Let me up the ante with a series of fact/factoids that have come to the light as the RL release went forward.

    A) many technologies represent evolutionary upgrades to technologies already available on other models previously released and not showing any sign of 'intrusion' in the vehicle reliability factor.

    B) SH-AWD falls somewhere in between a totally innovative feature and evolutionary aspects (see talk on tranny of Prelude). Moreover, the R&D phase for SH-AWD has been quoted (Honda/acura sourcecs) to have taken 15 years, more than adequate time to completely troubleshoot problems of any kind.

    So I have no doubt in my mind that this offering (namely the RL) is going to follow suit with the global Honda/Acura tradition.
    Let me also share the following:
    The stated time for the SH-AWD tranny is IMO a good meter to judge what happens in a strong automaker R&D.

    1) Innovation is calcualted on bases of imporoved performance/reliability/efficacy/safety
    2) Timing to market is based on ROI/marketability.

    Well, I hope I have evinced some obvious consideration that may help some of you to overcome such reliability fears, if not my apologies for posting another lenghty opionion and please forward your own back.

    Truly,

    Steve
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    It's kind of odd that you can get a 8 way power passenger seat on the MDX Touring, which is $10,000 less, but cannot on an RL.

    Also nice would have been Intellicruise and cooling seats.

    Well, I guess on a fully optioned car like the RL, they have to leave some things out to "upgrade" the car over the years.
  • Steve:

    A great, specific deconstruction!

    Why, after nine redundant model/years, would Acura toss a coin and submit an RL unfaithful to its tradition of reliability? It would not! There are no absolutes in this world and anything complex can fall prey to human error. However, based upon trailing years, the odds, and gods, are in favor of continued outstanding construction and reliability. I just glanced at my maintenance records: my '96 RL, with 105K on the Odo, is virtually intact since purchase. I replaced an oxygen sensor, upper ball joint and master brake cylinder in my nine year ownership! I still have the original exhaust system, as well, a feat in itself.

    If one considers the outrageous frequency- of- repair records of almost every other marque, save Lexus, why struggle with reliability hypotheticals when Acura has shone so brightly in this area?

    Only a pessimist/cynic would require a new litmus test.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    Yes, it is the same feature (ANC) that exists in Odyssey (w/VCM) and will be offered in Accord Hybrid. The only difference is that RL is using ANC without having VCM incorporated into its engine.

    However, there is no switch to activate or deactivate ANC. It runs continuously through audio speakers, even when the audio system is off.
  • shotgunshotgun Posts: 184
    Acuraphile - What a brilliant and elegant post! You are indeed correct in stating that Acura has earned it's stripes when it comes to quality/reliability - its the other players in the automotive realm who have something to prove...
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    Unlike Audi/BMW and MB, Honda isn’t very aggressive in showcasing its newest technologies, globally, the moment it is ready. Much of the features that RL gets have existed in some form for at least couple of years in production cars in the Japanese market. Even now, we get short changed on certain things, and they will eventually trickle down for sure as MMC upgrade.

    Among automakers, Honda and Toyota would be the last for me to worry about technological issues.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    Lexus isn't the only other marque that has a good reliability reputation. Infiniti usually gets better reliability ratings than Acura.

    It's basically a Japanese versus non-Japanese divide when it comes to reliability among the luxury brands.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    "It's basically a Japanese versus non-Japanese divide when it comes to reliability among the luxury brands."

    Overall, I think the Asian imports do better, but I am impressed with what Cadillac has done in recent years. Their revival has been more than sheetmetal deep. Recent products off their lines have been a close match for the imports.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,890
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  • shotgunshotgun Posts: 184
    Acuraphile - What a brilliant and elegant post! You are indeed correct in stating that Acura has earned it's stripes when it comes to quality/reliability - its the other players in the automotive realm who have something to prove...
  • . . .I saw one today on the interstate. Hmmm. Looks a lot like a Honda Accord.

    Depending on your point of view that is either a good thing or a bit of a disappoint. . .

    I'm in the latter camp.

    Still worth the drive, tho, I'm thinking!
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    Which Accord?
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    I can understand why some think the general body shape might resemble the current Accord. I don't see any resemblance in the sheetmetal, though. I think the RL looks more like the first generation Aurora, myself. It has that same "wedgy" front end, and similar lines on the hood.

    JM2C
  • I'm sure if you look closely at any car, you'll find some resemblance to a few others. Gone are the days when you saw a car 500 feet away and immediately recognized its make and model! :-)
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    The new RL looks more like old RL with more angular/rounded approach to me. A lot of people will wish the Accord looked like the new RL. Even the roof line is different.

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  • kenw1kenw1 Posts: 30
    Thanks for your comments. I know the Japanese have excellent reliability track records (I have a trouble-free Lexus RX300), but I was just a little bit worried because of all the hype on brand new technologies.

    I forgot that the Japanese manufacturers incorporate the latest technologies into their domestic cars first -- and in the Japanese market, there better not be any big problems or the customers will require the manufacturers' executives to commit hari kiri!
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    I know. I think there was something about the huge grills on classic cars that functioned like a billboard for each manufacturer. With modern aerodynamics taking it's toll, the advertising space is limited.
  • larry6larry6 Posts: 26
    Our experience with Acura reliability is associated with our 1992 Acura Legend -- that we plan to give to a member of our family as soon as our 2005 RL (White with an Ebony interior) is delivered. Since 1992 we replaced the timing belt, a radiator, and miscellaneous seals in addition to routine items -- and we have been exceptionally pleased with our maintenance costs.
    We drove the new version on two different occassions...and today I pushed the car into some very sharp turns at a good rate of speed -- and I can only tell you that it was remarkable how well the RL held it's own without even suggesting that it couldn't handle the forces impinging on it. There wasn't much body lean at all and the ride was secure - in this outstanding auto (something I felt was very pronounced when we drove a Lexus 330ES last year on a similar drive). Further, the brakes are superb and there was plenty of power, at least for our taste. I suspect that we will have some difficulty mastering all the technology given that we are just getting the hang of our VCR ... but at least there is hope..... and Acura's well deserved reputation for reliability (plus our personal experience) and the performance of this outstanding vehicle provides the confidence necessary for us to make such a purchase.
  • prophet2prophet2 Posts: 372
    Some resemblence between the RL and Accord is not surprising. I'm not confused between the two. I don't care for the rear-end treatment of the Accord, but that doesn't stop me from recommending its purchase.

    Acuraphile, my '96 RL has a similar record as yours. 102K miles; one oxygen sensor replaced; radiator replaced; rear power window motors replaced. No other issues. I consider the water pump and timing belt as normal service items.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "we are just getting the hang of our VCR ..."

    larry, what is a VCR? :)
  • Varmint:

    On cars whose design intention has little to do with achieving "low-six" 0-60 plaudits, what IS the net effect of the Cd? Those big distinctive grills of the past were not only big, but truly distinctive and encouraged aesthetic competition. The current preoccupation with ovid styling and elevated rear ends, passively duplicated by most marques, has created a stultifying sameness that makes styling comparisons academic, just about.
    Why should the RL even be THOUGHT to resemble an Accord? The answer: because there IS commonality enough to provoke that somewhat pejorative comment. I agree that it can't pass for an Accord, but I still understand the genesis of Mark's comment.
    I'm not suggesting that it would be in the best interest of any manufacturer to suddenly present the "face" of a 1928 Packard but, oh, one can dream! My dad didn't have to dream. THAT was his ride!
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    Funny I saw more Accord in the old "upright" RL than I do now, especially from the rear. Perhaps, we weren't passionate enough about the old RL.

    Acuraphile, but I'm not sure if old things don't get older quickly. Perhaps a reason, retro styling comes and goes. I do admit though, that Acura should have followed the design principles of TSX and TL more into the new RL.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Chuckle, never cared for the VCR'S for ease of operation, but you know...with Tebo or with Time Warner's DVR recording anything at any time or instant replaying at any time is so easy it is hard to believe we struggled with those VCR's for so long.

    Now we even burn audio DVD'S to enjoy on our Acura/Bose 10 speaker surround-sound RL system some day. (Can't wait to hear those!)
  • 9482494824 Posts: 8
    My Celestial Silver/taupe interior has arrived at the dealership. I get my first look tomorrow. If it passes muster, should I opt for the 18" wheels?
  • I've had mine for about a week. I've owned the Porsche 928, a a lexus 430, a Jaguar XKR, and a Mercedes 500 SL 2001.

    Frankly this is the best car I have ever owned. I live in the mountains and I can tell you the The car handles like it's on tracks! You simply can't lose it a dry road. A BMW M5 although fast could not stay with me on the curves. So much for $80,000 German Cars. The sound system is amazing, the Navigation is a wonder and easy to use, the keyless entry and start are a great convenience. The seats are comfortable and the interior looks like a jet! The body is sleek if not high style but I'll trade that for the afformentioned any day.

    Put it all together and it's a blast to drive while you listen to your 5.1 Surround DVD in complete comfort and quiet (except for the engine tuned deep throttle)and talk on you hands free blue tooth phone and shift with your paddle shifters!!!!!

    Stop your whining. This is a helluva car!
  • prophet2prophet2 Posts: 372
    Just buy the Audi ............
  • sacguysacguy Posts: 27
    #3012 of 3012 mark ...... by prophet2 Oct 27, 2004 (12:56 am)

    Just buy the Audi ............

    Wow, that is a big statement??? Did you buy an Audi? If so what made the choice for you? I am caught between the Audi A6 and Acura RL.......
  • prophet2prophet2 Posts: 372
    No, I didn't buy an Audi. I'm looking at the '05 RL as I currently own a '96 RL.

    Mark's the guy who seems "critical" of the RL (e.g. saying it looks like the Accord) and seems to prefer the European marquees (BMW, Audi). It's evident everytime he puts his $0.02 in.

    So, I say to him: "Just buy the Audi" and stop trying to "rain on our parade."
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