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Acura RL



  • I posted here a while ago when I first saw the RL Canadian pricing on the Canadiandriver wedsite. At C$69,500 (which works out to about US$53,500), the RL is approaching the likes of Lexus GS430 and Infiniti M45, both of which have V8 engines. I currently own a 2001 3.2CL Type S and was looking to move up to the new RL. However, at C$69,500, I am very tempted to consider the new GS or M45. Another vehicle in consideration is the Infiniti FX45 which also has AWD and loaded, it costs around C$67,000. I am not sure where Acura wants to position the RL but I always thought the Acura brand stands for outstanding cars at great value. That's why I bought the CL when it first came in in April 2000. I was hoping the same may apply to the new RL but I am not so sure.
  • It could be that Acura is making really great cars. The RL is exceptional in many ways - even if you're looking for things to hate it still comes off as an excellent car. It's fine to be critical but part of that is knowing when something simply deserves praise.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    In price comparisons, don’t forget features. Otherwise, at $40K, the current GS300 sounds like a steal compared to a BMW 530i at $56K. That is, until you realize what you get for the money, starting with cloth interior and halogen lamp. 2004 Lexus GS with all the frills approaches $46K. Add $2K for AWD, and there you go! A GS300/AWD w/NAV would cost as much as GS430. To most buyers, V8 isn’t a must have, and they seek the six banger.

    The current Lexus GS430 starts at CDN$ 69.5K in Canada (USD 48K) but besides 4.3/V8, do you get the stuff that RL comes with? AWD isn’t an option, audio system upgrade and navigation (available?) would increase the price too. These are standard features in RL.

    Comparably loaded (premium audio, AWD, Navigation system), the new Lexus GS300 and Infiniti M35 would likely cost about the same. Ultimately, it is the rest of the characteristics of the car that will help a buyer decide. Even there, I suspect, the RL will ride better than M35 but not as softly as GS300.
  • The cursory mention of such competitor as BMW, Audi and Mercedes Benz was not intended as a comparison test, only an expression of amazement that the RL (or any Acura really) could hold its own against the traditionally sportier European brands - something that would have been inconceivable just four years ago.
  • Since the list price for my 99 RL was about $44,000, with navi, a $48,000 list price for the 05 seems pretty reasonable. Considering inflation and all the extra goodies on the 05, especially.
  • True, but dealers used to sell 99-04 RL significantly below MSRP, sometimes as much as $5K off. It will be interesting to see what kind of street pricing we will see on the new RL...
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Past experience in this market on pricing is all about supply and demand. My hunch is that the new RL sales will "take off" and you won't see discounts until the market slows.
  • shotgunshotgun Posts: 184
    "...My hunch is that the new RL sales will "take off" and you won't see discounts until the market slows..." Agreed! Based on the preliminary press, I believe demand will be "hot" - especially from previous RL owners (like myself) followed by others who will be unable to resist the price/performance/value factor offered by this new "superstar" automobile!
  • A decade-and-a-half ago, one of the car mags ran a comparison between four personal coupes: Acura Legend LS, Mercedes Benz, BMW 6-series, and Lincoln. As I recall, the BMW tied the Acura, but only because the editors added a new category, CACHET, which the Acura and Lincoln fell short in.

    Regardless of how good the 2005 RL may prove to be, there will always be those who will criticize the lack of a V-8, "soul" (whatever that is ..... CACHET?), and other factors which may not be quantifiable. We even see comments here about the color offerings.

    And, no matter what the price is, especially in comparison with the other marquees, there will be MANY who will still regard it as TOO HIGH!

    The fact is that some people are just plain CHEAP and wouldn't recognize a great value even if it bit them in the rear. Others are just barking and will never buy an RL, or any of the other higher-priced competitors.
  • That small increase in price is quite reasonable, and if this car stays true to form, then I'll strongly consider one.

    I'm torn between an SUV and the new M45 from infiniti. Honda has a strong reputation for quality and I know this new RL will be a great car, but the styling is to safe, and this car looks far far to much like an Accord, heck it doesn't even look all that much bigger then an Accord. This would be a great design for the next generation Accord, but for Acura's Flagship? I question Honda's safe design of this vehicle, especially when the new TL was so greatly done. If honda wants this puppy to revive the days they saw with the popular Legend then they're in for a rude awakining.I've no doubt that the new RL will chip away at the sales of its competitors, but in the end their is nothing head turning about the exterior design. Honda did a safe job, but I'm confident that the new RL won't be a massive hit, especially along the lines of the FX and G series from infiniti.
  • cericceric Posts: 1,093
    Sometime around March 2005, the 530iX will arrive with new 3.0 I6 generating 258hp (torque still around 220+). Take it for what it is worth. The AWD 6-cylinder luxury sport sedan market is getting a lot of attention...
  • >I'm torn between an SUV and the new M45 from infiniti.<

    If you are looking for a great driving, highly reliable and pleasurable SUV experience, may I recommend the Lexus RX 330. My parents own two RX 300s and they have been flawless to drive and maintain.

    I believe that Honda will be coming out with a new, hybrid SUV in the spring of 2005. I understand that this new Honda SUV will be smaller than the Acura MDX, probably closer in size to the RX330. Indeed, the profile photo I saw of the prototype SUV looked a lot like the Lexus RX 330.

    I share your styling reservations about the new 2005 RL and am also considering the 2006 M45. I am hoping that I will be able to preview it first hand at an upcoming car show this fall.
  • ksomanksoman Posts: 590
    Yes, having seen the demo in person at the NY Auto Show, I think there is a lot of accord-ishness to this car, specially the coupe. But in person, the car is just more squatter and larger. All said and done, its diet cola with the aftertaste of accord... err... i mean...
  • ksomanksoman Posts: 590
    Legendman, please prepare yourself for a fairly similar looking car in person, minus the difference in details like tail lights, front face, but overall profile, stance, shape & form of the M are very similar to the RL....

    this is just my impression from the NY Autoshow.

  • ksomanksoman Posts: 590
    that the price was $47,890... It's like pricing something at 9.99 to make it look so much smaller than 10.

  • I just spoke with my salesman. The "See and Drive" scheduled for yesterday is now supposed to happen Sept 16. Which probably means no demos until early October.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    "Based on the preliminary press, I believe demand will be "hot" - especially from previous RL owners (like myself)"

    I'm not so sure. I think a good many RL buyers bought one for different reasons than Acura is using to promote the new one. The new and old seem to be very different cars.

    Instead, I think Acura is trying to place the RL as an upgrade from the last TL-S.
  • talon95talon95 Posts: 1,110
    Even if the new RL is perceived by some people as having an Accord flavor to it, that's been pretty much the case for most manufacturers that have both a mainstream and a luxury division.

    For example:

    - I've seen several comments that the M45's styling evokes much of the Altima, and I'd have to agree.
    - At least up until now, there's been much sharing of styling concepts between Toyota and Lexus.
    - The previous gen Passat and A6 were extremely similar, and I see that the new Passat for next year will have a variation of the dreaded "gaping maw" grille featured on the new A6.

    You have to wonder if Mercedes and BMW would be able to escape this syndrome if they had mainstream divisions (closely aligned ones, that is... not counting Chrysler).
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    Styling with lesser models within the family is unavoidable. Audi and VW share too many styling cues, regardless of how hard the company tries to differentiate them. Toyota Corolla/Lexus GS and Toyota Avalon/Lexus LS430 have their family genes showing up as well. The same is true for Nissan/Infiniti. $200K Maybach owners must have something to say about it sharing cues with a $20K A-Class.

    So, anybody arguing based on premise of styling similarities is being a little too narrow/conservative in approach.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    I thought styling similarities were supposed to encourage brand identity. Now that's a bad thing?

    FWIW, I don't see any "Accordishness" in the RL. It share too much with the TL and TSX. Those are the first vehicles that jump to my mind when I see the RL. And I think that's a good thing. Better than having a bunch of cars with nothing in common.

    Robertsmx - Good example with Audi. I have to measure the wheelbase on their models to tell the difference between the 4, 6, and 8. (That is changing a bit now.) And they do share an awful lot with VWs.
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