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Acura RL

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  • dennis721dennis721 Posts: 62
    I will let you know real soon, I bought mine yesterday and will be picking it up Thursday. I have test driven twice before though so I am sure I will love it.
    I got a $ 1000 discount on the car plus $406 worth of free accessories and they gave me $ 700 over Edmunds suggested trade in value on 04 TL. So however you look at it I figure in total I got a $2106 discount.
    I selected the Redondo Red Pearl with Parchment interior. I also got the deck lid spoiler. Thats why it wont be ready till Thursday.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Congratulations Dennis. One little nagging after thought. Ask them if the updates were taken care of on that car. JJ
  • shotgunshotgun Posts: 184
    Must be JJ...To date, I'm completely satisfied with my purchase and have absolutely no buyers remorse. However, I do find amusing the constant comparisons of the RL to V8 vehicles. Why not simply let the RL compete in the arena it was designed for, principally, the V6 arena - an arena, I might add, it completely dominates!
  • dennis721dennis721 Posts: 62
    I agree totally, there arent many 300 HP V6 out there and the Acura engine is so sweet. Smooth beyond belief and quiet too!

    I loved my 3.2L 04 TL, but I am really looking forward to the switch to the RL.

    People need to drive the RL before saying they think it should be a V8. Had it been a V8 I might have decided to keep my TL!!!

    I know I can afford to feed a V8, but as sweet as the 3.5L 300 HP is I just dont see the need to pay for one at the pumps.

    dennis
  • dennis721dennis721 Posts: 62
    JJ,

    Thanks for the thought. I called the service manager and told him I would rather wait an extra day even if needed to do any current updates prior to delivery. He is going to check and do them. Waiting on my trunk lip spoiler anyway.

    dennis
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    It would be difficult to have buyers remorse with this car. If you recall there was only one major problem with a buyer in this forum. The man that eventually had his car replaced by another dealer. (Can't remember his name now) Lindh? Anyway that made for some very interesting reading. I think all of us had something to say either way. You could almost be with him and against him at the same time. I'm glad the way it turned out.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I think you may be missing the point here. Please note I'm not bashing anything. I'm simply playing devil's advocate. I think the people making the comparisons are saying that the RL should be playing in the "arena" populated by V8's. And to play in there, the RL is not properly armed. How do you know the RL was not designed principally for the V8 arena? Acura never came out and made that statement. And I don't know if it matters that it dominates the V6 arena. Heck, it annihilates the I4 arena! Would that be relevant? And furthermore, I'm not even sure you can say with certainty that it "dominates" the V6 arena. In what aspects? Luxury, techno, performance, prestige, all of the above? Is the M35 comparable? Maybe. How about the BMW 530? Next year it's going to have 255hp, and would likely match, if not exceed, the RL's performance. Or how about the 2006 330? I think that would likely run rings around the RL. Or the new GS from Lexus? That would more than match the RL in luxury and prestige, if not performance. And so on, and so on.

    The point is, when you aspire to play on this level, I don't think it is so much as whether it "needs" this or that. Is more a matter of you've got to have the right credentials if you want to run in the same circle.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Bodble2, My first reaction was to go after you but in our home my wife and I share the same phone line and she had to make a couple calls. One hour later I have re-read your post and quieted down. You make a point that some people feel the RL SHOULD be playing in that Arena. The fact that Acura chose not to build using a V-8 may prove to be right or wrong. In the long run the owners will save some gas, and by the feedback we get in here there are a huge majority of satisfied owners. One comment that I WILL make is that you brought 2006 cars into the comparison mix. That's unfair but I think you really enjoy getting into these discussions. What are you driving these days?
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    You're probably right that the 2006 should not be brought into the mix -- until next year. But AS I SAID BEFORE, you're getting way too defensive over this issue. As I have told you, the RL is a fine car. You can't go wrong buying one. I'm sure you'll be happy with it for years to come. BUT, please be advised that it is NOT God's gift to the automotive industry, so you don't have to get upset anytime anyone DARES to bring another car into the discussion. This is what this forum is all about -- so anybody with a legitimate opinion can voice it. You can agree with it, or disagree with it. It doesn't matter to me. And yes, I do enjoy these discussions. Don't we all? Otherwise I wouldn't be here slacking off from work. And I don't think it is relevant what I drive. Would it make you agree with me more if I told you my daily driver is a BMW M5 and for weekend getaways I use my SL55 AMG? I may not have one, or both of those, but why does it matter? This is not a mine-is-bigger-than-yours discussion.

    BTW, I think you should re-read my post, again. I don't think I said that it is MY OPINION that the TL SHOULD be playing in the V8 arena.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "My first reaction was to go after you but in our home my wife and I share the same phone line"

    Wait a minute, you're going after me on a dial-up?! Isn't that like....how should I say it....a V6 going up against a V8? :)

    jj, my friend, you have gotta lighten up. Aren't people in retirement supposed to lead a sedate lifestyle? Too much anger will ruin your golf game. :)

    Happy motoring!
  • shs111shs111 Posts: 39
    Just got a Motorola V551 on a Cingular contract and could not be happier. Had previously been using Sprint with their one bluetooth phone, which was a disaster (random drops, etc.). Good luck.
  • Hi shs111 -

    I have Sprint and was going to get the LG phone that they offer. Did you have problems with the phone in general or just with the RL?

    Thanks!
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Time out Bodble2! Let's keep this fun and enjoyable. I am not the enemy.. I know that you enjoy talking cars. The RL is not the end all in cars. We both know that. And there are more important things in life to discuss like the fate of Terri Schaivo. (But this is a forum on the RL) Being retired doesn't suggest that people are suppost to lead a sedate lifestyle. I compete nationally in NMRA racquetball tournaments. You won't find too many sedate people among those ranks. I am competitive and have been all my life. I also have a sense of humor and the dial up thing was cute and I didn't take offense to your comments about that.
    You said: "BTW, I think you should re-read my post, again. You said...I don't think I said that it is MY OPINION that the TL SHOULD be playing in the V8 arena."
    Bodble..I didn't say that. I said and I quote: "You make a point that SOME PEOPLE feel the RL should be playing in that arena." That agrees with your point. and you said TL but meant RL. That's a typo but I'm OK with that too. I am not upset with you at all, I just happen to have a different opinion. You are right about one thing. The car you drive is not important in this. I was trying to understand your perspective. Sorry! Actually going back to Shotgun's post about the RL being compared to cars that have V-8 engines is interesting. C&D magazine did a huge comparison of luxury performance cars recently that included the RL with some cars that had V-8 engines and the RL did extremely well. I'll get you those numbers in the next post. Meanwhile Happy Motoring to you too my Canadian cousin. I have no bone to pick with you.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "I have no bone to pick with you."

    Nor I with you, jj. I think sometimes things get misconstrued in print, when you don't get the benefit of using facial expressions. I've always found your posts to be civil and helpful, so it was not my intention to be inflammatory. I do respect your opinion. Afterall, you actually own a RL whereas I'm strictly going on observation. So, all else being equal, your opinion would count for more.

    And I was just teasing you about the "sedate" stereotyping.

    Look forward to reading more of your posts in the future.
  • ksomanksoman Posts: 590
    As i'd speculated before the RL itself was launched... this segment now sees a real hybrid horse... comments?
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    The RL compares very favorably with a lot of other Luxury Performance Sedans. Check this!

    Car and Driver $55K sedan comparo:

    1. M45 (219 points)
    2. RL (215 points)
    3. GS430 (208 points)
    4. E350 (202 points)
    5. A6 (199 points)
    6. 530i (198 points
    7. STS (191 points)
    8. S-type (181 points)

    http://secure.grubbs.com/cardriver.pdf
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Glad to see it. Hybrids will revolutionize the automotive industry and as Martha says "...and that's a good thing" :-)
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    That would be all right someday, an Acura RL_h giving us 30 MPG city!
  • shotgunshotgun Posts: 184
    To the contrary - I believe you're the one whose missing the point! Acura has always maintained that it positioned the Acura against the BMW 5, Audi A6 and MB E V6 variants - which effectively renders your devils advocate position moot!

    Acura is sufficiently and automotively sophisticated to recognize and select which field it chooses to compete in. When and if Acura chooses to compete in the V8 arena it will respond appropriately! Should that day arrive, my estimation is that Acura will, again, set new standards and levels of performance their competitors will not only respect - but scramble to meet.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    THAT WAS PRETTY ACCURATE AND DIRECT.....MORE LIKE A 30-30 SHOT THAN A SHOTGUN! :-)
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I don't recall Acura specifically including ONLY the V6 variants of the aforementioned competing brands, all of which have V8 options. And besides, I think it would be stupid to compare one's product only with a restricted variation of someone else's product. It would almost be admitting your product ain't good enough, because the BEST from your competition would be better than your best. It's like saying Peyton Manning compares well with Joe Montana, but only when Montana was playing with a pulled hamstring. If you can't make an unqualified comparison straight-on, then don't even try to make the stretch. Worse than being not a contender is to be a pretender.
  • bigrobnhbigrobnh Posts: 114
    Hey! It seems like I just got my April edition and you go and ruin the thrill of reading the May.

    Where'd you get that????
  • ljwalters1ljwalters1 Posts: 294
    Any 2 cars can be compared, regardless. That's the fun. And if you're considering a 2005 RL and a 2006 Lexis/Infiniti-whatever, you need to compare different years b/c that's what's available now.

    If someone's considering an M45 and an RL, you have to compare the v8 to v6, so there's no sense in excluding things this way. FYI, the Passat had a v8 in a more upscale version, but I think it put out less hp than many v6s, so it's really HP, torque, weight, etc you want to compare rather than engine size.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "you need to compare different years b/c that's what's available now."

    Excellent point! Whether it is called 2005 or 2006, or whatever is strictly labelling anyway.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    You have a point. I pulled out a copy of Automobile magazine (July 2004) issue, On the cover was a picture of the 2005 Acura RL, the 2005 Cadillac STS, and the 2006 Infiniti M45. A great story inside. It was my first good look at the new RL. I knew I immediately liked the RL design over the M at that point but forgot that the M was a 2006. Now that the M has made it's debut, nothing has changed my mind.
  • ljwalters1ljwalters1 Posts: 294
    I'm not in the market for a new car (I'm too busy enjoying my '04 TL), but am keeping up with these models for my parents, and while I haven't gotten to test drive or see them in person, I like the RL better than the M, too. The M seems to cheapen itself with the interiors, using cheap seat insets to look like stitched piping and the color-scheme can be chaotic since unless you get the light tan, the dash, floor and center console are black, and regardless of the color choice, the headliner is gray. The RL is definitely classier, and even if the M is faster, I'd imagine for most of us, the RL has more than enough ponies for our enjoyment.

    One nod Ihae to give to the M is that their voice nav system recognizes spoken street names. It'd be nice if the acuras did that.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    I like your style young Walters. Stick around for a while in this forum. It could get interesting.
  • aclcaclc Posts: 20
    In the C&D $55K sedan comparison, it is amazing how the V6 RL is compared to a V8 GS430 & M45....and rates HIGHER than the GS430!!! I suppose that the RL would crush the M35 or GS300 AWD, based on those results.
  • mariner7mariner7 Posts: 509
    Not really, MT already put M35 first ahead of 2nd-place RL, and others. Drivers Japan also put Nissan Fuga 350GT (M35 Sport) ahead of Honda Legend (RL). M35 is 200 lbs lighter than RL, down 20 hp but up 10 lb/ft of torque, is much faster than RL.
  • ljwalters1ljwalters1 Posts: 294
    Edmunds ranked the GS430 1st, followed by the RL, followed by the M. Here's a very much abbreviated summary: the GS is sporty enough to be enjoyable and is the most luxurious of the 3; the RL is between the other 2 in sportiness and luxury; and the M is the most sporty, least luxurious. The cars are close enough that the M's sportiness doesn't make up for its shortcomings over the GS & RL, but the GS' shortcomings are made up for by its luxury.

    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=104808

    If there's a discrepancy between C&D and Edmunds (and maybe consumer reports?), I'd probably go with Edmunds' report until I can make up my own mind. C&D is probably for the super-enthusiast who would do pretend slolams if on the road alone; Consumer Reports is more for the person who just wants to get from point A to point B without having to stop at the repair shop. Edmunds seems to be in between.
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