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Acura RL

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  • robertsmx,

    The road conditions for the BMW and Acura were exactly the same (the dealers are next door to each other). In addition, the conditions for these two cars were much more favorable (newly paved highway that was smooth as butter). The Mercedes had the worst conditions -- a very old, rough road with many bumps, potholes and several sets of railroad tracks. The Mercedes still had the best ride, not only due to the lower road noise, but also in terms of the way it absorbed large bumps without impacting the cabin. In the Acura, the few bumps I hit were not large, yet they were still felt as large impacts. Very unsettling and disappointing for a luxury sedan.

    The noise levels measured by Car and Driver in these cars is only based on certain frequency levels. In the Acura you also "felt" the road noise in terms of the way the road negatively affected the ride. Hard to describe, but I'm sure some of you know exactly what I mean. It's the same with audio equipment. Reviews of audio equipment measure signal to noise ratios, watts per channel, etc., but no two brands sound the same. Two amplifiers with the exact same specs can sound very different. Same holds true for sound levels measured in cars.

    Tony
  • larry6larry6 Posts: 26
    Hi Folks,

       I have been following this forum for the past several weeks as well as the consumer rating page accessible from the Edmunds' Home Page. So far there have been only 12 owners who completed the rating of the 05 RL. Eleven of these provide outstanding ratings for the 05 RL while 1 rater was quite negative. Meanwhile, so many of you have been writing about how much you enjoy the new RL...I have been curious as to why so many of you have not completed the Consumer rating page (which does not appear to have changed for the past two weeks). At the moment, with the 12 reviews.... Consumers are rating it an average of 8.8. Too bad Edmunds does not also publish the median rating (i.e., 50% of the ratings are above the median score and 50% below this score). With only a few ratings, one severely negative score (or of course a severely positive score) can easily skew the ratings in one direction or the other. So those of you who love or hate your 05 RL can take advantage of a wonderful opportunity to quantiatively (there is also room for comments) express your opinion in a fashion that can be easily aggregated so as to better inform others -- of owner opinion. I would hope that many of us -- would take advantage of this opportunity to be helpful to others who are considering purchasing the 05 RL. Of course, should I purchase this vehicle - over which I am currently lusting... I promise to follow my own advice in terms of the ratings.... So, if you are interested in this process -- go to NEW CARS...find the Acura 05 RL.... and look around for the opportunity to offer your own rating...as well as read the ratings of others. Happy trails.
  • I would take consumer ratings with a pinch of salt - any buyer would want to rate their their new car purchase as good even if actual experience, post-purchase, is otherwise. Negative ratings will drive down the resale value of a new model faster than anticipated. I would go with expert ratings.

    BTW, I did attend a launch party for the RL at a nearby dealership. My observations 1. Tight rear seats 2. Poor brakes (drove one) - Hondas generally come out poor in brake tests and quality of pads - Accords, Odysseys and TLs in their respective peer groups. Wonder whay Honda is not paying much attention to this shortcoming.

    Overall, the RL is a good car with plenty of electronics packed into it. However, I expect other manufacturers to follow with these soon. The RL will enjoy sales at or near sticker in its first year - once newer models of the Lexus GS series, the new BMW 3 series (yes 3, not the 5 series) come out, this RL will soon fade away. Honda has not done a good job in assessing the marketplace for this car. Given the TL's 270 hp engine and its torque problems in a FWD, perhaps the TL needed an AWD as an option (a la E 320, BMW 3 series). By building this RL, growth potential for the TL is limited, and the Accord is right behind it in hp and other capabilities. The RL should have been a 8 cylinder with RWD and AWD as an option!
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    I doubt the new 3 will take many sales away from the RL. Very different in terms of cost, room, size and purpose. The majority of 3 sales come from the $35,000 325i.

    The new 3 will undoubtedly take some sales from the TL, however.
  • r2917r2917 Posts: 67
    Gotcha. As long as you know the E class isn't unique since it looks like every other MB sedan.

    I totally disagree with your opinion about the RL and the Lexus models. I have no idea how anyone could say the ES looks like a camry and the LS looks like an Avalon. I mean, the ES looks nothing like the Camry. Also, I find the RL looks very nice as does everyone I know who has seen the car in person, meaning family/friends and the people looking at the car at the dealerships I went to.

    For me personally, I gives thumbs up to car companies that try out different styles (Lexus) with their cars rather than companies who use a cookie-cutter design for all models. I do think MBs looks nice and USED to think BMWs look nice but the fact each model in the lineup looked almost identical always bugged me and that issue has turned me off those cars, not to mention I value reliability over styling.
     
    As for the price difference, I priced the E320 4Matic at MB's USA web site with similar equipment to the RL and the price came to 65 grand, a difference of 15 grand. Pretty much the same as the RL vs 320 4Matic difference here in Canada so it is hardly closer in value there in the USA.

    I find it sad for a car that bases at the price the E320 does you don't even get a standard 6 CD changer among other features standard in cars costing less. Seems like nickel and diming to me but I geuss that is the MB motto. I find it somewhat sad you need to put in 15 grand worth of features to egt it comparibly equipped to the RL. To me, these things are what make luxury cars, more so than the road noise.
     
    To each their own though.
  • r2917r2917 Posts: 67
    OK what is up with people saying the back seat is cramped in the RL? I mean I would understand this if they are comparing it to something like an A8L but people say it is cramped compared to the 5 series, E Class and also the A6. I looked at the specs for each model and the RL has more legroom than both the E class and 5 series (not by much though) and is a measily 0.6" behind the A6.

    How come then it gets criticized for its rear seat? Is it the headroom (the RL has less headroom than those 3 models in the rear) or does Acura just measure the legroom in a funky way?

    I am not trying to argue that people are wrong for saying this...I am mearly trying to find out why they fele that way since the measurements dont seem to point towards the criticism.

    FWIW I sat in the back of the RL and felt the room was fine for my 6'1" body.

    Rob
  • Where do you find sales data on individual car models?

    Howard
  • The new 3 series will have the same interior dimensions as the old 5 series (or the new RL - I tried sitting in the rear seat of one), per BMW development boss Burkhard Goeschel (Autoweek). With 255 hp in the 330 and a turbocharged version at 330 hp, and then a M3 - the 3 series will be a serious sports sedan. Also, with AWD as an option on the base 330i, and a vehicle weighing about 700 lbs less than a RL, plus a $ 5 K cost difference comparably equipped, the RL will see the 3 series as serious competition, even if the folks at Honda think the 5 series and the E 320 should be its benchmarks.

    The 3 series is moving up the value chain to make way for the 1 series - the 5 series will have to move closer to the 7, to survive. I bought an Acura back in 1986 and have had 2 more since then, but this RL does not cut it.
  • Howard, try Automotive News, a weekly - they are meant for industry folks, but plenty of useful info. on sales by model / incentives, future models, which many web sites do not provide
  • Thank you.

    Howard
  • I would take consumer ratings with a pinch of salt - any buyer would want to rate their their new car purchase as good even if actual experience, post-purchase, is otherwise. Negative ratings will drive down the resale value of a new model faster than anticipated. I would go with expert ratings.

    BTW, I did attend a launch party for the RL at a nearby dealership. My observations 1. Tight rear seats 2. Poor brakes (drove one) - Hondas generally come out poor in brake tests and quality of pads - Accords, Odysseys and TLs in their respective peer groups. Wonder whay Honda is not paying much attention to this shortcoming.

    Overall, the RL is a good car with plenty of electronics packed into it. However, I expect other manufacturers to follow with these soon. The RL will enjoy sales at or near sticker in its first year - once newer models of the Lexus GS series, the new BMW 3 series (yes 3, not the 5 series) come out, this RL will soon fade away. Honda has not done a good job in assessing the marketplace for this car. Given the TL's 270 hp engine and its torque problems in a FWD, perhaps the TL needed an AWD as an option (a la E 320, BMW 3 series). By building this RL, growth potential for the TL is limited, and the Accord is right behind it in hp and other capabilities. The RL should have been a 8 cylinder with RWD and AWD as an option!
  • After driving the car for a month here are my suggestions to improve the driving experience. These are all minor (hopefully Acura PM’s are reading this):

    1) Ability to turn off the buzzer under the auto mode when the headlights are on and the engine is turned off.
    2) Ability to get the car to automatically lock-up when all the Key FOBs leave the car.
    3) Better integration of HandsFree, Center Console and NAV. Currently there are three input modes (voice only for HandsFree, restricted menus in Center Console and GUI in NAV). All setup should be available from the NAV.
    4) Single voice command interface (now three: HandsFree, NAV and OnStar)
    5) A voice command button accessible to the passenger (for NAV and HandsFree)
    6) Ability to jump from joystick input to voice command when entering an address (from selecting letter by letter to speaking the address)
    7) Use of traffic information in finding the fastest route (add an additional mode)
    8) Ability to add roads and short cuts to the NAV database. A “learning mode” to learn my way to a destination (it always gives an inconvenient route home).
    9) Backup Camera or all around parking sensors on the NAV screen
    10) A better trip computer (with overall information for the history of the car’s life, resettable for a trip, for the current trip and from last gas change)
    11) A HandsFree that will work with more Bluetooth phones (add a few other profiles like the headset profile)
    12) A rain sensing wipers and perhaps a rain sensing auto sunroof closer
    13) 8 way passenger seat
    14) A better cruise control (laser guided, constant distance from the front car)
    15) A listing of XM channels (and current songs) on the NAV display
    16) Ability to program a sequence of XM stations, CD tracks etc. to rotate over with the Mode button on the steering wheel.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    The current RL has more room than the current 5, and the new 3 will not have more room than the current 5.

    The 3 is a more sporty, tossable vehicle, while the RL is more of a luxury cruiser with some sporting characteristics. Caters to different markets. A $50k M3 or turbocharged 3 is not in the same class as the RL even though they are similar in price.

    I'm sure there will be SOME people who cross-shop the two vehicles, but not in any numbers to make a significant impact on the sales of either.
  • r2917,

    Perhaps it's me, but I find the exterior of the Acura and Lexus sedans to be too much of a boring, cookie-cutter design (except perhaps for the Lexus GS). I agree that all of the MB models look the same, but it's a look different from any other car manufacturer. The Acura and Lexus models really don't have any unique and interesting exterior characteristics. Is there anyone out there who thinks the exteriors of the Lexus ES330 or Lexus LS430 are unique and interesting? I find them downright boring.

    Let me bring this into perspective. A neighbor of mine (62 years old) decided that she wanted to replace her 6 year old Lexus ES300. She LOVED that car. I can't even begin to tell you how much she loved it. Well, she went to the Lexus dealer last month and said she just couldn't buy the ES330. Too boring and, her exact words, "ugly as sin". This coming from a 62 year old! She ended up with an Infiniti FX. Why? Because it's different from other cars out there. She absolutely loves driving it because it is so different. She said she smiles every time she gets into it because she thinks it's, again in her own words, "adorable". I can't imagine anyone saying that about the ES330 or LS430. It's the same reason I went with the E320. I just love the look of the car. It didn't matter that it was a Mercedes -- I just fell in love with the interior and exterior. From any angle. Period. And no one will mistake the E320 for a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry. The E320 may not be unique within the Mercedes line-up, but it is certainly unique when compared with cars built by other manufacturers. The fact that the E320 looks like an S430 is fine with me! :)

    Tony
  • larry6larry6 Posts: 26
    Indeed, these consumer ratings could be taken with a grain of salt...asuming a purchaser would provide ratings that were less than an honest appraisal and based primarily on econonic self-interest. While this is certainly possible, this particular flaw holds for all other vehicles that are rated as well. Indeed, even the qualitative contributions by owners to this forum may have this same potential weakness, yet it does not disuade us from reading the posts and participating ourselves. Thus, recognizing this limitation, I would still urge owners to participate in the ratings. At least these provide some aggregated, quantitative summary of their initial impressions. Those who wish to ignore them are free to do so.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    >>"She ended up with an Infiniti FX. Why? Because it's different from other cars out there."<<

    I chuckled over your story because your neighbor went to an EXTREME 180 degree direction by selecting an SUV...

    >>"She absolutely loves driving it because it is so different. She said she smiles every time she gets into it because she thinks it's, again in her own words, "adorable"."<<

    I absolutely agree with her decision to follow her heart...that's the bottom line and worked for me with the new RL!
  • r2917r2917 Posts: 67
    I like the styling of the LS430 and think the ES330 styling is fine. I don't see how the MB styling can be seen as exciting. Again, I like the look but I don't get how it is exciting. It's as "boring" to me as pretty much all other sedans.

    I prefer the look of the LS430 to any MB sedan. As for the RL, I think it looks better than the E Class. Just MY OPINION of course.

    Guess we just have different tastes which is expected. I should mention for the most part I don't even care what my car on the outside looks like...it isn't where I will spend most of my time with the car and I have no need or desire to try and impress others who watch me drive by. I much prefer what the car has inside and its reliability. What good is a "hot" looking car if it is over priced and in the shop all the time? Seems like a sucker deal to me. It's like a car company saying

    "hey consumer, pay us more for our cars that have less reliability and less features than our competitors but hey, they look nice!!"

    Don't see why a person would want to do that but I guess many do! I liken it to being with an attractive woman who can gets you looks while in public but has no personality and is an airhead that can't be counted on and is high priced to be with. Sorry but I'll take an avg looking woman who I can count on, has a great personality, is intelligent and is low priced (not needing expensive gifts) to be with
    over that hot looking girl any day of the week.:)

    To each their own. I'll stick with my "boring" looking reliable Lexus and Acura cars.:)
  • r2917r2917 Posts: 67
    Why should the RL have been a V8? I can see having a V8 as an option but don't think it should have been V8 only. I have NO NEED for a V8 in my car other than to maybe "brag" about it.

    People seem to have a hard time grapsing the fact the RL is not supposed to be the be-all, end-all sedan and battle every sedan out there, meaning ultra luxury sedans. Why people complain about the engine of the car is beyond me. Do the same people complain about the engine of the E320 or BMW 530? I doubt it.

    And the TL is not intended to be a E320 competitor. I can only guess that by thinking that you put the RL in the category of ultra luxury sedans with the LS430, S class, 7 series, A8, etc. Give me a break. Why do this? It is clear to me the RL is in the class of the 5 series, E class, GS, etc. Just because it is the Acura flagship does not mean it should be compared to other flagships. If we are doing that should I compare Kia's flagship with an LS430 as well?

    Just boggles my mind why the RL gets some of the criticism (a lot of it I do find just) it does because the car is very impressive if one actually realizes what it is rather than think it should somehow be the world's super sedan.

    Show me a sedan on the market that has the features of the RL, the handling of the RL, and the luxury of the RL all for the same or lower price. The M35 and GS300 might come close but I doubt they'll beat the RL in this all around area.

    Rob
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  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    You can use autosite.com to get the information, but sometimes it doesn't get timely updates (monthly). The RL numbers I posted are from hondanews.com.
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