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Acura RL



  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Interesting thing about oil changes. I owned a '93 Acura Vigor LS with a 2.5L 5 cylinder engine. It burned oil and I had to put a quart or 2 in between oil changes which were about every 4,000 miles. A great little car never the less and when I see them on the road now the driver is usually a young Hispanic male and the cars are flawless with after market rims and tinted glass windows. :)
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    My dad was a mechanic, and told all of us kids, if you change oil frequently, those Japanese cars will run forever. :)

    I am a true believer in frequent oil changes, especially when you pay so much for a nice car.
  • wiper noise


    I just got back from dealer's service. I purchased my RL one month ago. I took it in this morning for a "sit in" appointment for the wiper. The driver side wiper is squeeking loudly over the windshield (louder when the windshield is wet). They replaced blade but same problem. They washed windshield with solvent but same problem. They asked me if I wanted to wait while they replaced the entire assembly but same problem. (they thought the angle of the current blades to the windshield might be out of spec causing the vibration).

    The service manager is going to research with Acura engineering. I told him the blade noise is unacceptable.

    I have put nothing on the windshield (raindance etc) I have only cleaned with Invisible Glass cleaner

    Any ideas on what may be the cause.
  • I'm sick of Consumer Reports always bashing the RL. The RL was rated 9th of 13 in its class, with comments suggesting it is bland and that the controls are confusing. About the worst comment they could muster was that the turning radius was too wide. So what? If you look at the stats given for several cars side by side in the article, you can see that the RL was the fastest in the group (0 to 60 reported in the article at 6.9 seconds), the safest in the group, and was "recommended" by Consumer Reports. But despite the lack of any basis, they still claim it fails to rank with the other tested models. Consumer Reports has said the same things for every year it has tested the RL, yet the RL has nearly the highest resale value in the tested models. Consumer Reports is biased against the six cylinder engine, yet they barely comment now that AWD is out, and with 300HP and 0 to 60 in 6.9 seconds, why is the 8 cylinder engine needed? I love the car. This is my third Acura, following 2 Hondas. Consumer Reports has lost credibility with me.
  • msu79gt82msu79gt82 Posts: 541
    This is my third Acura ... Consumer Reports has lost credibility with me.

    I have also owned three Acura's (two MDX's and a TL-S). I am in the market for a new sedan and have been researching for a while and been on numerous test drives. I find the RL styling bland and the control layout to be less than optimal. One of the things I disliked the most about my TL-S was its large turning radius; it was way larger than my MDX :blush: Turning radius matters to me.

    Regarding CR, I value their objective measurements as well as their subjective opinion - its just another research tool. Also I do not understand your comment about V8s - the entire comparison was V6s (all the cars were V6s) :confuse:
  • sgl1sgl1 Posts: 34
    Anyone know how to get the list of 540 voice activated commands avail on the RL? I can only find about 50 in the manual. . .
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    I agree CR is a very credible organization, and a valueble research tool. If they don't like the RL, and you do, buy the RL. My impression with CR's analysis, is that they really like the TL as a much better value than the RL.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    There was in-depth discussions on the Luxury Performance Sedan forum within the last week and I side with the credible bunch that don't put a whole lot of confidense in CR.

    You can put my Celestial Silver RL in the middle of a plethora rainbow pack of M35's and to me the styling of that RL blows away the bunch (Inside and out)! IMHO :)
  • msu79gt82msu79gt82 Posts: 541
    If one is looking for justification for what they bought then of course they will like the magazines that echo their own opinions and blow off the magazines that offfer a differing perspective :blush: For those who are seeking information, ALL the magazines offer that. Car & Driver, Edmunds, CR, etc are all useful information sources for those who are looking for information.

    Of course M lovers wanting their egos stroked will pan Edmunds and RL owners wanting an attaboy will pan CR :surprise: :shades:
  • satiresatire Posts: 71
    FWIW, if Consumer Reports confirmed the sky was blue, I would question them. Their sanctimonious attitude combined with their refusal to admit mistakes clearly indicates to me that their opinions are not worth the paper on which they are printed. Let them tell you which blender to buy but if you want information about cars, stick with the folks who know of what they speak.....Motortrend, Automobile, Car & Driver, Edmunds, et al. The car guys aren't going to tell you which hair dryer works best because they don't have the time to be bothered. Their focus is cars, cars and cars. And while the RL has not been an across the board hit with all of these guys, at least we have honest opinions based on knowledge and experience. With Consumer Reports we have to wonder if the test driver is heading back to the lab to find out which dishwashing liquid works best on grease and makes his hands feel softest.
  • msu79gt82msu79gt82 Posts: 541
    With Consumer Reports we have to wonder if the test driver is heading back to the lab to find out which dishwashing liquid works best on grease and makes his hands feel softest.

    What a joke :blush: :sick: This line of BS is pure satire right?

    Its amazing to me the folks who suggest that CR is not about cars :confuse: The guys who test hairdryers are NOT the ones who test cars :blush: Anyone who throws out that old strawman arguement is deluded. :confuse:

    I trust CR who pays for the cars themsleves, buying them off the lot a whole LOT more than I do the "professional" car mags who have had the cars donated to them by the magazines biggest advertisers :surprise: At least at CR there is absolutely no conflict of interest involved in any of their reports!

    If folks do not like CR then fine, don't read it. They are simply another independant research tool. Another thing that amazes me are the folks who trash CR's car reviews but laud thier repair record histories of cars.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Repair record histories of cars is simple fact gathering and there isn't quantifiable or subjective or passionate info findings involved.
  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    Yes, let me second the post that said that the guys who test the cars at CR do not test hair dryers or washing machines. They are technically trained people who test just cars. They buy their cars anonymously from dealers rather than getting cars from the manufacturer which might be hopped up for the review, etc. They have no agenda, no conflict of interest, no vested interest in any outcome. Are they human? Can they make mistakes? Sure. I thought their review of the Lexus GS300 was unduly critical, for example. They are subject to biases like everybody else, but they are not corrupt, bought off, bribed, or influenced by anything but their own reactions to their own tests.

    By the way, read in Motor Trend that the RL will be getting a V-8. In 2011.
  • As the person who started this discussion, let me first say that I do not claim there is any fraud or willful misconduct on the part of CR. In fact, their empirical data, which is not subject to opinion or bias, demonstrates that the RL has some of the best statistics, including performance, reliability and safety, of all of the tested cars.

    I have been a subscriber of CR for many years, and my observation is that CR gets an opinion about a particular line or model of car, and year after year says the same thing about the car, regardless of substantial changes in the car, which other evaluators recognize and give due credit for.

    Another example of this is my wife's Chevy Suburban. We owned a '96, and it was unreliable, and not a very good car. CR gave a fairly brutal, but accurate assessment of its shortcomings. We traded the 96 in for a 2002, and substantial improvements had been made, which other evaluators lauded. In fact, the entire chassis was redesigned, and the entire ride was changed. We still own it and it's a good car--although it could never compare to my RL! When the CR report came out, all the black marks for various components in the Suburban had been changed to red, indicating above average responses and performance. It truly was a totally different and improved car.

    If you look at the narrative on the 2002 Suburban from CR, they even continue to use the exact same wording as the 96 evaluation and make no mention of the improved performance or styling, instead choosing to focus on their preconceived notions of what they believe the car is and how it performs. That is all I am saying--CR appears to stick with its preconceived ideas of the car and does not allow the data to affect its conclusions.
  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    There's something to what you say about CR wedded to their views of cars regardless of the change. But you can't generalize. For example, the previous BMW 530 they loved & said it was one of the best cars they ever tested. When the current 530 came out, they criticized and downrated it

    About reliability ratings they are sometimes inconsistent. For example, when a new Japanese model comes out (e.g., Camry, Accord, etc) they say its predicted reliability is very good or excellent. But when a new AMerican model comes out, they refuse to rate its reliability and withhold recommendation of the car, saying under reliability: "new model."
  • msu79gt82msu79gt82 Posts: 541
    For the longest time some people jested that CR was the paid marketing arm for Toyota :surprise: Everyone has a bias and a product's past performance is certainly a "legitimate" basis for a bias. Clearly what many claim to be a pro Toyota/Lexus bias did not help the new GS much :blush:
  • The 2006 Acura RL will have a Technology Package for the RL. The Technology Package will have:
    •Collision Mitigation Braking System (CMBS) - uses a grille-mounted radar unit, motorized seatbelt E-pretentioners on the driver’s and front passenger’s seats and an automatic braking system to monitor potential frontal collisions and help reduce the impact on occupants by alerting the driver, tensioning the seatbelts and slowing the vehicle.
    •Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) – To compensate for changing traffic flow, ACC adjusts vehicle speed automatically by applying throttle and/or brake to maintain a consistent following distance.
    •Michelin PAX Run-Flat tires - helps provide enhanced safety and security with continuous mobility of up to 125

    Finally Acura is giving its flagship sedan more features. The 2006 Lexus GS/IS has all of these features already and is cheaper. This package is optional like on the Lexus and Toyota. Hopefully this helps Acura have better sales. Even the 2005 Toyota Avalon and Sienna have Dynamic Laser Cruise Control already and the Sienna even has run-flats on AWD models. Finally Acura gave it to its RL. But in its catergory, the RL and GS are the only car models that have radar cruise control and pre-collision system available that are known so far. The 2006 Acura RL will be better than the 2005 model.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    bartalk, were you serious about the V-8...careful...some of us may be prone to believe you. It seems a little unusual to predict 6 model years ahead...hell we didn't get all of the info on the 2005 until it sat in the showroom. ;)
  • We're ready to purchase and have decided on the Lakeshore Silver exterior, although it was a difficult choice between the Celestial Silver, Desert Mist and Lakeshore. We have seen it with Ebony interior and like it but always felt that a dark interior would be too warm in the summer. We would like to see the Lakeshore with a taupe interior before purchasing, but none of the 3 dealers within 100 miles has one. Has anyone seen both interiors in the Lakeshore and have an opinion to offer? The black interior has a rich look and we're not sure about the taupe.

    We had an extended test drive - all weekend - and enjoyed it tremendously! It felt somewhat noisy and a little rough on a bad piece of highway, but otherwise it's wonderful. Our cell phones even paired with no problem.

    One problem yesterday, we received a message saying there was no keyless detected and we would be unable to restart the car if it was turned off. We drove home, stopped the engine, got out and started all over again. It worked fine. In addition, the radio wouldn't come on. Nothing but "enter code". To make a long story short, we finally found the "code" on a little card in the glove box among all of the manuals, etc, and was able to enter it and the radio was immdiately operable. Has anyone had a similar experience? Not the best experience, but we're still buying! We will, however, memorize the code!

    Thanks for any assistance with the interior colors.
  • jsmaz1jsmaz1 Posts: 16
    I just picked up my Celestial Silver with Ebony and feel that its a great combination. I prefer it over the Taupe because it seems like the match is perfect with the darks and silvers, both inside and outside. I just didnt have the same feeling of cohesiveness with the Taupe.

    It's a personal preference, so one person could like it one way, another an entire 180! Good luck.
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