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Acura RL

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  • wow you guys must hit it hard. I get around 20 city and 25 highway.

    The 2000 RL's coming off lease are a great car for around $20k. I am pondering getting another one. I bought my current '00 new and have had 44k of great performance.
  • prophet2prophet2 Posts: 372
    I live on a 604 sq. mile island, so not much chance for extended drives. It would be worse except I rarely get caught in the morning and afternoon traffic jams. 19 mpg isn't that bad.

    I've put on 54K miles since 10/00 and the car still runs smoothly. I'm not trading it when I get another car ('04 TL; truck; or whatever) - keeping it around as a spare set of wheels.
  • pjamupjamu Posts: 11
    I got a deal of 21000$ + tax for 2000 RL certified with 37000 miles on it. It also has navigation and CD changer.

    Do you think this is a good deal?

    One thing that i am concerned about is - It was bought by the dealer in auction and the dealer does not have its repairs or maintenance history. They did the usual certification related inspection and servicing. The dealer also promptly came down to my asking price and that made me start thinking about the reliability of buying such auctioned car. Do you think it is a risk? Why would the car be auctioned? It was leased originally. I am not familiar with this auction stuff for cars. Carfax is clean, but could there be any other loopholes? How to be certain about its history?

    I found out that many dealers buy cars from auction, then certify then through inspection and servicing and then sell it with profit. My first question then is why would the car be auctioned at low price if it is in good condition? Any help?

    THe deal is good, but only if the car was kept good and there were no major failures or accidents. The auction thing gives me insecure feelings. I would appreciate all the inputs here.
  • Honda finance is auctioning the RL's coming off lease because they have to get rid of them. Dealers get the first shot and then they go to a general auction. It is amazing how cars move around the country. The only ones I would avoid are those that spent time in the Northeast because of salt in the winter. I am in the south Central US where rust is not an issue.

    You can find out its warranty history from an Acura dealer. Contact the service manager and give them the VIN. They can tell if any serious work was done.

    In general, RL's like these coming off lease with around 30k miles are cream puffs.

    Yours is certified so you have powertrain warranty to 100k which should cover you pretty good. I think $21 for an RL with Nav is fair.
  • jwilson1jwilson1 Posts: 956
    If a dealer has 2 RLs and another comes in, he is likely to auction what he's pretty sure he won't be selling so a dealer who needs a car can get it for a quicker turnover. I wouldn't worry at all.

    I think it sounds like a good deal. There's no guarantee about the car, obviously, but you can ask the service mgr. to look up the warranty history on the car (as Mr. Mason suggested) and you've got a 100000 mile warranty. Not much more to ask about. JW
  • prophet2prophet2 Posts: 372
    It should not be necessarily a negative factor. It's the leasing company that owns the vehicle, not the dealership. In my case, Mazda American had me return the Millenia directly to the auction house, not any of the dealerships. Any dealer (not just Mazda) was free to bid on it.

    Even though Mazda values sank like a rock, it wasn't my problem. The car was in good shape, with 42K miles (the lease allowed 50K). If a dealer got it low enough to turn a profit on its re-sale, that was his good luck.
  • saugataksaugatak Posts: 488
    I know we're not supposed to link to other sites but I found this very brief article on the new RL and I'm posting it in its entirety.

    "Whenever you talk to the experts about Acura, the first words out of their mouths are RWD and 8 cylinder.

    Speculation has been rampant that the next RL would be a RWD 8 cylinder.

    The Spies say that couldn't be further than the truth.

    We've learned that Acura will not only go against conventional wisdom and NOT make a RWD, 8 cylinder car, but create a new revolution with the first 300HP, 6-cylinder HYBRID engine!!!!

    Wow!

    Imagine no performance compromise AND 40MPG!

    Forget the Prius, this will be the car to own if these rumors are true...

    The car will be shown to dealers at their meeting in August and be available in the October/Novemeber timeframe.

    Also, look for an even better design interpretation than the new TL. We're told the new RL is WAY more attractive.

    We can't wait!

    By the way, the American car companies are planning their killer strategy by waiting to have a car like this for ten years, so they can TOTALLY lose this market to the Japanese! ;)"
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    beating the tuned Civic at the stoplight AND getting 40 miles to the gallon. Talk about waiting lists!
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    This car is suppose to be a status symbol. Hybrid is good if you want to please the environmentalists but nothing beats RWD V8 when it comes to power, ride and handling. When will Acura realize that?

    P.S. - Honda/Acura has no concept about torque.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I disagree. If you can make a FWD car drive almost as good as a RWD car in some cases (Volvo S60, Saab 9-3, Acura TL) then by all means, save development $$$ and use FWD, with a V6 and a Hybrid.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Motown - That's not entirely true. The hybrids you may be familiar with are indeed designed to please the greenies of the world. But there are other uses for the designs.

    Toyota, for example, is using an HEV V6 in the Lexus RX and Highlander to provide V8 power. Honda is using an HEV V6, which will crank out more power than the 240 horsies already found under the Accord's hood. And because electric motors crank out gobs of torque, they serve well for your purposes.

    I doubt very much that these performance-tuned hybrids will get the 40 mpg that Jchan mentioned, but they will serve a dual purpose.
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    I agree the RX400h looks like a real winner. The only real problem with hybrids is unkown reliability and maintenance costs. Also, the battery which only has a 5 year warranty costs $5,000+ to replace. Ouch! With one battery replacement, all of your fuel savings go out the window.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    costs will go down with more and more hybrids on the road.
  • l943973l943973 Posts: 197
    http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat- _code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=01990871

    Look forward to seeing the concept at the New York auto show. I'm glad they are sticking to a V6 rather than caving in and listening to critics that know little to nothing about cars.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    NO V8 OR RWD!!!!!!!! (drivers can be environmentally friendly and kill the tuned Neon at the stoplight)
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    I am all for saving the environment, but there are potential problems with hybrids that you all are overlooking.

    (1) The complicated hybrid powertrain would require dealer maintenance. I don't think any independent mechanic would touch that car with a 60 foot pole.

    (2) Any savings at the gas pump would more than be offset by higher price tag of hybrid cars.

    (3) When it is time to change the battery pack, the price of a new one could cause sticker shock. For the Toyota Prius it is about $2000. For a car like the RL it could be $5000+ as someone pointed out.

    Therefore, IMO a normally aspirated V8 would actually be cheaper to own in the long run.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,822
    Yes, there have been some studies using current gas prices + current price of a hybrid vs. traditional gas vehicles, and I believe the cost savings aren't realized until around the 100K miles point.

    However, as a person who hates to stop for gas, I would enjoy the convenience of being able to drive for longer periods of time without filling up. There is, also, the environmental aspect of the vehicle, which has a strong pull for some folks.

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  • ksomanksoman Posts: 590
    varmint,

    not every electric motor has strong torque curves at lower RPM, however DC (direct current) electric motors do have amazingly good torque at lower rpm and since the electric system in a car is DC (even though the alternator produces AC) the electric motors used in hybrids show excellent torque. So it's all good in the end. (this is why electric locomotive powered trains use DC motors and not AC motors).

    Look at this scenario. Lets say the next RL comes with a 3500 cc engine with 300 hp, with its latest iteration of ivtec and everything i expect its torque curve to start in the 2500-3000 rpm range. But during this first 800 (idle)-2500 rpm range, the electric motors (assumed to give 100 lb-ft) are churning on the rear wheels. So even if the gas engine in the front is only pushing like lets say 150 lb-ft, you got a total of 250 lb-ft of torque gunning out, with a little forward bias... and if you really scream the accelerator past 2500 rpm, you could get the entire torque spectrum, about 230-240 odd in the front and 100 in the back. that's a ton load of torque to pull this car (and not push)... but given how close to neutral the TL and TSX are, the RL could really pull off a neutrality. And then you have the fact that you have a engine that's ready to hit 5-6K rpm easy due to the nature of the honda engines and in theory this could lend itself to a wonderfully screamable assemblage.... just in theory so far.

    motown:
    i would like to point out, that firstly, in most cases, first owners of luxury cars dont take their cars to non-dealers to fix and secondly, the maintenace history of the hybirds on the road is nothing bad compared to regular cars from same car makers (toyo, honda)... so i would not worry about the 60 foot poles as yet.

    just my 2 cents...
    ksso
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  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Kso - Thanks for the clarification on DC electrics.

    Honestly, there are too many variables for us to speculate without more information.

    DC electric motors do provide lots of torque at rpm 1 and they can typically rev over a very wide range. However, they lose torque almost immediately. For example, I believe the Prius makes something close to 250 lb-ft at 1 rpm, but less than 100 by the time the engine reaches idle speed.

    Also, if the electrics drive the rear wheels only, will they have a separate transmission, or just rev freely? With a free revving design, the electric would spin pretty fast at higher speeds and not provide much torque, at all.

    If the RL goes with Honda's more traditional IMA approach (the electric motors work through the engine's transmission), then we get more torque at the start of each gear. It just loses the direct connection to the rear wheels.

    Bottom line. It's fun to speculate, but we don't know much.
  • ksomanksoman Posts: 590
    thanks for pointing that out, but that's why i said, 'scenario'... being one of many likely...

    and yes, very true, DC motors lose torque faster as RPM grows, but, if you sustain the RPM independently and gear it seperately then you have a multitude of possibilities, hmmm but then the cost will go through my roof, so maybe the best option might be to get the traction through the engine/transmission IMA layout... i'm sure those guys worked these things out, IF they are going this route...

    ksso
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