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Acura RL



  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    A lot of Nissan/Infiniti owners/prospective buyers tend to mingle at a different forum dedicated just for Nissan/Infiniti products. I don't think I'm allowed to name that forum here though.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    There's actually a pretty significant difference between even the old RL and the MDX. My wife's RX300 comes from the ES, but the two of them drive nothing like each other. I tend to generally not like the high seating position, the body roll during cornering, and the front end dive during hard braking. I dont know about the old car, but the new RL should absolutely take the MDX to school when it comes to the skidpad. "Soft-roaders" are fine for housewives, and when I need to pick up something large, or go to the airport, but they are definitely not something I'd want as a daily driver.
  • rdharamsrdharams Posts: 17
    Warranty on my 2000 RL will soon expire. I inquired with the local Acura dealer and they are quoting $1589 for a 7/75k warranty.

    1. Has anyone gotten a better deal?
    2. Somebody mentioned a AAA warranty. anyone has had positive/negative experiences with it?
    3. Is it possible to buy acura warranty from any dealer nation wide?

    Feedback is highly appreciated.
  • jeff88jeff88 Posts: 94
    Was just pointing out that the mdx was much more content rich than the rl (until now). as for me, I'd pick the 05 rl over the mdx for all the reasons given above. however, given a choice between an '04 rl and '04 mdx, I'd be ridin' high.

    as for the pilot v mdx, it gets back to content and tuning. the mdx is much more attractive to me in all regards.

    a close friend is an mb bigot. (2) 3-starred rides in his driveway and now he's talking about the new rl (w/some prodding from me). he's been out of warranty on one of his mb's for a couple of years and it's been toll heavy for him. his wife recently and uncoerced commented from the back of my old beater '96 that she likes the acura better than his mb. course I'm also prodding him toward an xj8 which is what I'd have if money was no would be almost as good to ride in his. seriously, if the rl pans out anywhere nearly as good as the descriptions say it will, what else would one buy under 50k unless they were looking strictly for a racer?
  • cericceric Posts: 1,093
    Jeff, I would agree with you between MDX and the current RL. If you were comparing MDX and the new RL, I dare to disagree. RL would naturally be more luxurious and handling oriented than MDX. MDX road-holding would not be more than 0.8 (no data at hand). Any sporty sedan would do 300ft road-holding above 0.85. SUV and minivan are below 0.75 mostly.

    With a similar reasoning of yours, I would buy Pilot instead of MDX. It all comes down to how each person appreciate the differences between two. I have no problem with people loving the new M. However, the Edmund new M forum has been awfully quiet. Don't know why...
  • pg48477pg48477 Posts: 309
    Why would you even compare SUV and midsize sedan?
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    No surprise there, the TL already has more horsepower than FWD can really handle. The TSX could use the Accord's 3.0L, that little four banger is nice.. but its just not enough grunt.

    Jeff, while I have nothing against Jaguar, I even own an XKR at the moment, I'll be the first to admit that buying a new Jaguar is about one of the dumbest decisions you can possibly make. Jaguar has just about the worst residual of any luxury car company. For example, an '01 XJ8 with reasonable mileage (50K), is literally a $22,000 car. You can get one for the price of a Chevy Impala, which is why until recently I've been buying XK8s and Rs 3-4 years old, but I've grown tired of the reliability issues and general blandness, Jags arent particularly entertaining to drive, and the J-gate shifter is still just as bad as the first one. If your friend is considering a J8, I would strongly urge him to consider a new LS430 instead. It will out accelerate, outbrake, and with the sport suspension, outhandle even the new aluminum bodied car. You also get Lexus reliability, strong residual, and the NAV, but the real treat is the Mark Levinson stereo.

    My home system is a five figure setup powered by twin Parasound Halo monoblocks and SSP, and the Levinson sytem comes pretty damn close to recreating that kind of listening experience in the car. None of the German's bose setups can even come within a country mile. Jaguar is forced to share Alpine audio components with Ford, and the "premium" system in the XKR is a joke.
  • cericceric Posts: 1,093
    rsholland, the news while interesting does not specify the year that it would happen. Acura must know that TL with SH-AWD would eat into potential market of RL. I bet it won't happen until maybe 2007, giving RL a couple years of breathing room.

    Lexusguy, have you tried the BMW Logic-7 system on newer 7-series? I heard it was pretty good also. I once sat in a LS430 with M/L. It was crispy. Way ahead of Alpine in older BMW.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Cant say that I have, I'm not sure if I would even be able to figure out how to get a CD to actually play on that car anyway :)
  • nebraskaguynebraskaguy Posts: 341
    I spoke with the sales manager at my local dealership last night. He said the new RL could come in as early as late August or as late as mid-October. He also said there will be a few extras that haven't been revealed yet.
  • shs111shs111 Posts: 39
    Couldn't agree with you more, lexusguy. A new Jaguar is one of the worst economic decisions, perhaps they only go out on corporate leases or something. A prestigious car with the worst reliability issues, and even poorer dealer service satisfaction. I guess everyone has read the recent reports putting Japanese quality first, American second, and most European third. How times change.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    actually, in the case of Jaguar, times changed a long time ago. I remember drooling over XKEs as a kid, but after 1970 they just went in a downward spiral, along with Aston Martin, Maserati, Alfa Romeo, and many others. The rock bottom was when the coventry was bought by the British government, those late 80s\early 90s Jags are literally some of the worst cars ever produced by any company ever.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    "Acura must know that TL with SH-AWD would eat into potential market of RL."
    Not necessarily. RL would continue to be more powerful, more refined, larger and more luxurious than TL, of course at a premium. Acura will likely wait couple of years before using it in TL when the model attains a mid-life crisis (usually third year of the model cycle).

    Not sure about TSX though. Acura should consider AWD with hybrid option instead. TSX is already a heavy car for the 200 HP. SH-AWD will likely add 200-225 HP. Unless Acura plans, and can squeeze in the 3.0 liter V6 from Accord.
  • scott31scott31 Posts: 280
    1). Yes, I have seen several

    2). NO NO NO. Never buy a 3rd party warranty. More often than not, they aren't worth the paper they are printed on.

    3). Yep, several dealers will sell via the internet. You should be able to find a 7/100 $0 deductable for around $1000ish (say $1100 or so)
  • jeff88jeff88 Posts: 94
    To question: "Why would you even compare SUV and midsize sedan?"

    If the performance, handling and ride are fairly similar between the '04 mdx and '04 rl, and it is; the price is the same and the content much richer as it is with the mdx, I ask you, why not?

    btw, I totally agree with all the logic around the lexus over the jag, but recall, I also stated that money is no object. as it is, money will always be an object with me so I am doomed to never own a jag. :) doomed I say! there is no logical arguement for a jag v. lexus but there sure is an emotional one.

    would think acura would not want to offer awd to the tl keep the product differentiation intact.

    am glad the rl is outfitted with a highly sophisticated awd system -- should keep the rwd biased crowd at bay. why wouldn't anyone prefer a functionally superior awd to rwd? porsche does -- ask any porsche-ster what they would choose. those porsche folks do know a little about handling. back when I was choosing fwd v rwd, my geography/climate pointed to fwd. here in TX, it's the opposite. have never been much for listening to absolutes around superficial logic and am darned glad there is such a wealth of desireable cars from which to choose.
  • jwilson1jwilson1 Posts: 956
    ...we disagree on AAA warranties. Certainly, in most cases, 3rd party warranties are suspect and many have just gone out of business and left owners holding the bag. But AAA is the exception that proves the rule; AAA is a company that is very well funded through many sources so its reserves can handle the load I think, and its reputation is important enough to its marketing of other product lines that they need to stay with those who buy their warranties. Their prices are good, the coverage is good, and dealers don't mind working with them ... or so it is true locally and through reviews of their product.

    So: if I wanted a warranty extension (which I don't use, btw) whether I used the dealer or AAA would depend on two things: the location and relationship I had with the dealer -- if the dealer is far away, or if I preferred dealing with someone other than the Acura dealership (which is more expensive for service than an independent), I would go with AAA. In fact, in many areas there are good independent Honda specialists who are quite qualified to deal with Acura products and will be reasonable to deal with. JW
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    You're not really doomed. Like I said, second hand Jags are cheaper than a new Civic. Since Ford has taken over the operation, reliability has improved, but the soul of the Sir William Lyons XKE is gone, replaced by a Lincoln LS V8, a floaty, numb suspension, sluggish transmission, and buick class steering feel. I plan to get rid of my XKR for either an SC430, or possibly a slightly used Maserati coupe.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    You're considering a Maserati Coupe??? Now that is something I didn't expect to read! It is a wonderful (but no where near as reliable as the SC430 would be) car.

  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Yeah I pretty much expected that, but the car is just SO MUCH FUN to drive. The "cambiocorsa" Ferrari F1 SMG is just amazing. The new coupes tank almost as soon as they are driven off the lot on resale, so since my '00 XKR is currently worth around $50K, it would be almost an even trade for an '01-02 Maserati. If I do buy, I certainly dont plan to keep it long after the warranty runs out :)
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