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  • bigdaddycoatsbigdaddycoats Posts: 1,058
    The 300C will be a major competitor to the GXP. I guess FWD vs. RWD will be a factor for some. I do like the RWD set up in the 300, but I was not overly impressed with the interior when I sat in it at the auto show. I have a feeling (and hope) the 300 sells well - maybe GM will follow (Zeta platform?) with new RWD vehicles. A Kappa based sedan to replace the Sunfire would be cool. Oh well, I hope the GXP does well anyway.
  • fantascpfantascp Posts: 175
    I think Chrysler missed the boat though on the design of the front grille on the 300C- NO COMPARISON style wise compared to the GXP- that front grille has been referred to as a SCHOOL BUS FRONT GRILLE-
    UGLY!!!!- not by me, but by present owners of the 300M!
    I personally think it looks more like a boxed cheese grater- not something that I'm going to pay $32,000.00 for and not like the looks of it.

    If Chrysler re-designs that front -they got a WINNER!!!- until then- (IMHO) I'll take the Bonneville regardless of more cost and less horsepower.
  • bigdaddycoatsbigdaddycoats Posts: 1,058
    To each his own as far as styling goes. I think the Bonneville looks better than the 300. Even so, I would still consider the 300. I would bet that the 300 will sell way better than the Bonneville.
  • fantascpfantascp Posts: 175
    Your probably right- I don't think the Bonneville even now is doing too good on sales.

    Do you have the figures as to how many units Chrysler plans to make for their 2005- 300 C
    to compare to the figures for the GXP?
  • jcz1jcz1 Posts: 36
    Someone on that message board is saying that they've already made close to 10,000 300's, getting ready for the launch/roll-out. And that's in just the first two months of production. Looks like they're expecting to sell a significant number of them.
  • bigdaddycoatsbigdaddycoats Posts: 1,058
    I think that sales for 2004 for the Bonneville are expected to be around 24000 with 4000 or so being the GXP. Don't know what projections for the 300 are but I would guess ???? 50k or more???
  • theicemantheiceman Posts: 736
    The 300C will undoubtedly sell better than the GXP and, on paper, even I am attracted: RWD, stability, traction, etc. I like the exterior styling - except the front grill - but I'm not even close to liking the interior:



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    Sure, it's a more modern interior than the Bonneville's but I sure wish they'd added more faux brushed aluminum...

    A big plus, though, for the 300 is that AWD is planned for this Fall. And, yes, telescopic steering wheel is standard and Xenons, and Nav are available - but together will set you back another $3k on top of the 300C's asking $33k. But you won't get the walnut trim you see in the above picture - that's another $400. Oh, and power adjustable pedals and side curtain airbags are also available (they are not even available on the Bonneville) - nevertheless, together, they'll set you back another grand.

    Priced the way I'd want it, the 300C would set me back $37k - and there'll be absolutely no dickering at least for another year. Compare that with approx. $30k for the GXP (after rebates, haggle price and using my GM Visa points), the spread gets more interesting. Still, that extra $7k would get you a more powerful, modern, and better equipped car than the Bonneville. But it'd still have that beak:


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    As for exclusivity and sales numbers, it has to be remembered that, while the 300C is a neat car, the volume seller is likely to be the lowly 300 (base price: $23k). A while after its introduction, it may become difficult to convince somebody to part with $37k for a car whose stablemate competes pricewise with Grand Ams and Malibus.

    Of course, there is that hemi...
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    The 300 is definitely a competitor for the GXP but I like the GXP better on the outside. The 300 has RWD and much more power but I would be willing to bet that the cars will be close in acceleration. Price and styling are the GXP's main selling points vs the 300. I really do not like the exterior of this car too much, but the inside is better than the GXP. You spend your time inside the car, but people see the outside and the GXP is one nice looking full size car.
  • bunky36bunky36 Posts: 94
    Saw one today on the showroom floor at one of the local dealerships. It was pre-sold, so it stays on the floor--no test drives. It is white tintcoat with taupe interior. Exterior looks great with the new front and rear fascias, smooth bodysides, the 3-piece spoiler, dual/dual exhaust tips, and those flangeless 18" wheels, etc. On the interior, I'm not sure I like the Ultralux suede seat inserts. They look great, but I imagine they will soil and stain over time--maybe not--I have no experience with Ultralux. But the dash treatment looks pretty good with the black carbon-fiber touches, all the "chiclets" are black, and the white-faced gauges look nice. Popping the hood and looking at that Northstar V8 was a treat. One interesting bit of news from the sales manager was that the '05 Grand Prix GTP will have a 5.3L V8--still FWD.
  • fantascpfantascp Posts: 175
    * This one is for my 98 SSE!!!!- Just when I thought the car would never have any recalls- (LOL)
    It seems to be for Buick and Olds vehicles also for that time span- * Note -ONLY FOR THE N/A(L36) ENGINES- NOT THE SUPERCHARGED (L67) Engines!!!!!

    HERE IS THE INFO DIRECT FROM THE NHTSA SITE:

    NHTSA Campaign ID Number- : 04V090000
    Recall Date Feb 16th, 2004
    Component: Fuel System, Gasoline Delivery
    Build Dates: March 1,1997 to August 31, 1998
    Potential # of Units Affected: 433632

    SUMMARY:
    On certain passenger vehicles equipped with 3800 V6 (L36) Engines and certain delphi fuel pressure regulators, the regulators have a much higher than usual rate of fuel leaks. A leak can allow fuel to enter the intake manifold through a vacuum line. If the engine does not start when cranked, the fuel from the leaking regulator and a mistimed spark can cause a backfire.

    CONSEQUENCE:
    The backfire can rupture the intake manifold. The rupture of the intake manifold can displace a fuel line, pulling an injector out of place, and causing a fuel leak and possible fire.

    REMEDY:
    DEALERS WILL INSTALL NEW FUEL PRESSURE REGULATORS WITH IMPROVED DIAPHRAGMS.
    Owner notification is expected to begin during the second quarter of 2004. Owners should contact Buick at 1-866-608-8080, Oldsmobile at 1-800-630-6537 or PONTIAC AT 1-800-620-7668

    NOTES:
    GM RECALL NO 03054B. Customers can also contact the National Highway Traffic Safety Admin Auto Safety hotline at 1-888-dash-dot (1-888-327-4236)
  • trucker50trucker50 Posts: 148
    Looking at a 2001 SSEi with 27,000 miles on it with sunroof....what did these cost new and what would be a fair price for one?
  • theicemantheiceman Posts: 736
    Value depends a bit on whether or not it has any other options (slider, chrome wheels, etc.) and mostly on regional demand. Still, it should fetch around $19k for that kind of mileage. I think they went for around $32-33k back in '01.

    Hope that helps.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,515
    "One interesting bit of news from the sales manager was that the '05 Grand Prix GTP will have a 5.3L V8--still FWD. "

    Huh?

    Has anyone else heard this?
    - Ray
    Cross posting to GP board . . .
  • fantascpfantascp Posts: 175
    I called the Pontiac Cust Service # today- 1-800-620-7668. the Service Rep claims my VIN# is not being re-called- I guess not ALL cars made from 3/1/97 to 8/31/98 with the L36 engine have a bad Delphi Fuel Pressure Regulator- at least not according to the Pontiac Rep that I spoke to.I hope this guy wasn't giving me a BS Line! I'll still be watching out for anything in the mail from GM in the next few months!
    Anyway- just thought I'd pass this on to any other members who have a Bonneville built between those dates with the N/A L36 Engine.- Give Pontiac a call and give them your VIN#
    they'll let you know if your car is on the recall list and needs a Service Request # or if your car
    is OK.
  • theicemantheiceman Posts: 736
    It's only talk right now - I've not seen any official announcement on it. Originally called the "Grand Prix Autocross", some are dubbing it the "Grand Prix GXP" and are talking about it coming to market for March '05.

    This fits with the strategy to make '05 as the final MY for the Bonneville by presenting the Grand Prix as a good alternative for Bonnie buyers (which aren't exactly legion). The thinking is that SE buyers might opt for the redesigned Buicks (the all-new LaCrosse or the refreshed-for-2005 LeSabre) and Bonneville SSEi/GXP buyers will opt for the Grand Prix GXP with SLE buyers shaking out somewhere between the two - and being the most likely to jump to the competition (e.g. Acura TL).

    I suspect that GM would want to be coy on this announcement: it would seriously harm sales of current GP Comp Gs and Bonneville GXPs if buyers thought that a 350 hp GP was just a year away.

    Here's all I could find on the GP Autocross: GM Media: Pontiac Grand Prix Autocross - SEMA 2003.
  • montanafanmontanafan Posts: 945
    The main reason that you could have got the answer that your can is not recalled, is that GM hasn't recalled them yet. Therefore no vin listing is available to customer service or dealers. Once GM issues the recall, the vins will be available. Once a manufacturer makes a decission to recall a car, they have to notify the NHTSA, which lists the info. It still can be months before the actual dealer/customer notification takes place.
  • fantascpfantascp Posts: 175
    thanks-

    Question:
     If GM issued a recall # -03054B does that mean they already know what vehicles to recall?

    I'll just keep aware of it over the next few months.
  • montanafanmontanafan Posts: 945
    Answer:
    When GM issues the recall it will be numbered 03054B. As of now they know the cars that will be recalled, they just haven't made it known. If I recall reading that associated documentation at the NHTSA site, it showed a draft copy of the GM to dealer bulletin but didn't include the vin ranges.
  • fantascpfantascp Posts: 175
    Thanks again!!!
  • montanafanmontanafan Posts: 945
    Another thought has come to me. I have read that people who register with GM at http://www.mygmlink.com , get notified as soon as GM puts the recall info in their systems, and well before the letters go out.
  • fantascpfantascp Posts: 175
    I,m already registered at MYGMLINK.com with my cars VIN etc. -no recalls according to GM, so i'll just wait and see what happens.
    Thanks again for all of your info.
  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    Hello all! The trip to Fla was fantastic and the weather ideal in the low 80s. Back to the daily grind now!

    On the way to work this morning I passed a car carryer loaded up with new 300s. Very impressive looking at first sight and definitely better in person than in the photos I've seen to date. However the toothy grille is certainly an attention grabber - and it's so odd now to see such a throw-back to the big chrome grills of a few decades ago.

    I do prefer the classy front styling of the GXP to the 300. GXP is just so elegant from every angle.
  • bunky36bunky36 Posts: 94
    The doctor's black GXP that I mentioned earlier (without the sunroof) arrived at the dealership yesterday. They called me so I could go take a look. It had just rolled off the truck and it was an overcast day with rain forecast so it was very grey out. The car was filthy from the trip, and had the white protective plastic all over it, so all in all it was hard to gauge its beauty as a black car. The seats and carpeting were all pretty much covered in plastic, but the dash was uncovered. The black chiclets and the carbon fibre touches looked pretty good against the silver-faced instrument cluster and the dark pewter interior, as did the brushed aluminum touches on the shifter, pedals and elsewhere. I think it will really look sharp all cleaned up with the black exterior. I couldn't drive it, of course, but the keys were in it and they started it for me. The Northstar V8 sound through the performance exhaust system was clearly V8-sounding, but rather unique I thought. Not as throaty as the GTO (they have a couple GTO's in stock which I have heard running), but nice at idle, and aggressive-sounding when goosed a little. Ought to sound great at WOT. Just right for a performance sport sedan. They have 5 more GXP's coming--all on speculation--no firm sales/orders--another black one, a white one, a greystone one, and two others.
  • fantascpfantascp Posts: 175
    welcome back !- Hope you brought some of that warm Florida Temps with you!!!!!- looking forward to a nice WARM FRONT (over 75) ASAP!!!

    I have not seen either the new 300's or GXP'S in person-
     But just on pictures- I also like the front of the GXP and the overall style of the GXP over the Chrysler.

    I'll admit, as a present Bonneville owner, I'd favor the GXP, but if that front grille were different, I would give the Chrysler serious consideration.
  • fantascpfantascp Posts: 175
    I can't believe that I have to still wait till the end of this next month before a GXP arrives and your local dealer will have had 6 already in!!!

    Thanks for the info- I think i'll be giving my local dealer another call this week and try and find out what's causing the delay.
  • evandroevandro Posts: 1,108
    The local cable company will draw 3 GXPs to new subscribers...
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,151
    cable company price gouges, it'd be cheaper
    just to go out and buy one myself!!!
    Time-Warner... for those who wonder.
  • mlm4mlm4 Posts: 401
    Three GXPs? Wow, usually a company will only give away one car if any. I guess Time-Warner has some extra spending money? Here they changed their name to Bright House Networks, but nothing else changed (at least they didn't raise the rates any more than usual).

    Well, despite dreaming about upgrading my SSEi to a GXP, I went and got a new Avalanche to replace my Tahoe instead. I think if the GXP had come out last fall when it was orginally promised I might have gone for it by now, but the fact is that the Tahoe is six years old and needs more maintenance than the Bonnie, which only has 14K miles on it, so I'm keeping the Bonnie and selling the Tahoe. If I ever see a GXP I'll probably look longingly at it like a puppy, but no regrets, I still love the SSEi.

    BTW, the vibration problem is still there but it seems that since the Intermediate Steering Shaft was replaced the shaking is less evident through the steering wheel. I can tolerate it again. Otherwise, very smooth riding. The Avalanche is wonderful, the seats are amazingly comfortable and easily my favorite feature of the whole truck. It's also super smooth and quiet, rides like a Cadillac (a very, very big Cadillac). XM, OnStar, sunroof, Bose, power-fold mirrors, adjustable pedals, auto dual-zone climate, very luxurious. Not looking forward to filling the 31 gallon tank, but with a 20-mile round trip commute I only have to fill the Tahoe twice a month if I don't stray too far from home, so this one shouldn't be any worse.
  • hammen2hammen2 Posts: 1,313
    mlm, when are you having vibration? All of the time, or just at certain speeds? If the latter, and you haven't had your tires road-force balanced, go to http://www.gsp9700.com and find a shop that has a Hunter GSP 9700 machine. This is a new way of balancing tires which applies a counter-force to the tire when it's spinning, to help find the high and low spots of the tire and rim. They are then matched, and this tends to reduce at-speed vibrations, particularly noticeable on cars like the GM G (Aurora, Seville, Park Avenue, Riviera) and H (Bonneville, LeSabre) which have a fairly stiff body structure.

    (No I don't work for Hunter, I'm just an Aurora owner who's had this done a few times. I peruse this forum because of my interest in the GXP)...

    Hope this helps,

    --Robert
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