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Pontiac Bonneville



  • mfahey1mfahey1 Posts: 419
    We just returned from Germany where I had a business trip and my wife tagged along to keep me out of trouble.
    We had an Audi A3 1.9L turbo diesel for a rental car and did that thing scoot. I "accidentally" laid rubber a few times with it and anything above 2000rpm in any gear(remember manual transmissions?) and it would get up and go with the turbo. I took it up to 200kph a few times which sounds so much more impressive than 125mph but generally cruised at 115mph on the Autobahn.
    There are a lot of diesels over there and if US automakers would introduce ones here similar to the ones in service over there, you might see a lot more of them here. Inside the car, you would never know the difference, even when cold.
    However, it sure was nice to slide back into the Bonneville this morning. With the 7 hour time difference, I was awake at 1:30 this morning so wound up getting to work at 4:00 am. Needless to say, there wasn't any traffic and so the Bonneville got over 30mpg coming in.
    We did see a few Caravans, a Yukon and an Accura MDX over there and they looked completely out of place because of their size. At around $5 a gallon, I wouldn't want to be feeding one of them for very long.
  • mlm4mlm4 Posts: 401
    I agree that the diesels over in Europe are quite impressive. Smooth, peppy and quiet. I had a new Citroen as a rental in France and all the locals were drooling over it. I saw a story recently that the US automakers are thinking about moving to these diesels if only they can get Americans over their pre-conceived notion that they are noisy and dirty. Having said that, I think ripping up the roads in France would have been fun in a Bonneville!
  • evandroevandro Posts: 1,108
    It's much more common in Europe because the emissions regulations there are more lenient for the use of Diesel in cars than here.

    And Diesel IS dirty and noisy. Dirty because even though it emits less CO, it emits more NOx and PM than a gas engine. Noisy because one can undisputably hear it approaching before a gas-power car, even modern ones.

    CO matters only to those who believe that it can catastrophically warm the climate. On the other hand, NOx causes smog that can be a severe irritant of the respiratory ways and PM are carcinogenic.

    Europe chose watery eyes and cancer, America chose to ignore unscientific theories. :-D
  • mem300mmem300m Posts: 12
    have a 94 B'vile w/114,000 miles. Last night the a/c fan went out. Regardless of mode (a/c, vent, defrost, heat), the fan will not blow at any speed or any switch position. Is this likely the fan motor itself dying or is there a circuit breaker or fan relay that might be at fault and if so how could I easily diagnose to see if it's fan motor or something else?

    please email me with ideas at


  • ezraponezrapon Posts: 348
    4 months out of factory warranty, Pontiac replaced my intermediate steering shaft free of charge! They lubed it at 20,000, probably a temporary fix at best. Either way, I'm happy again without the steering clunk. They are taking orders on the GTO for December delivery... they will have 6, 2 are sold. GXP will hit the streets the following month with many more available...hmmmm. The new Grand Prix looks nice on the show room floor... unfortunately there is speculation of a 300 HP GXP version of it coming in 2004.
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    Just bought an '02 SLE that is missing both key fobs. For those of you with an '02, does it look and function the same as older model Bonnevilles? We have a '96 w/4 button. I'm looking to pick up a couple on Ebay...
  • theicemantheiceman Posts: 736
    Congratulations! I have a '00 SLE. 40k miles and still love it.

    Yeah, the fobs are 4 button. But they come in synchronized pairs - depending on which one you use to open the car, certain features will automatically adjust to that fob on an SLE (if you take the trouble to program it). I'm not sure if picking up just any two will allow you to restore that particular feature.

    Wouldn't you be better off ordering a pair through the dealership?
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    The '02 will be my wife's (I take over the 225,000 mile '96 to rest my Avalanche), so the driver settings may not be so critical. My contact at a local dealer is gone - new fobs are in the $75 range each - programmed.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,041
    Just replaced fob for 03 LeSabre. Price??? $35, which included programming by service writer. (Due to quirk in program steps, the
    fobs ended up backwards, Fob#1, gave settings #2; Fob#2, settings #1 driver.

    Don't lose the key however if it's got the internal transmitter, it was over $50, including the programming so the car would recognize it...

    I'd ask about key fobs at a caring dealer... The programming used the
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    The rules have changed on the remotes; it does take the Tech 2 tool to reprogram. Anyone who says programming is a DIY and only takes a couple of minutes hasn't had the personalized settings. $35 for replacement is reasonable, especially with programming included.

    Do the 2002 fobs have the triangular trunk button with panic below?
  • theicemantheiceman Posts: 736
    link to GM's media info: - GXP

    Not too long now...


  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,496
    Thanks for that link.

    This is interesting. It appears that the GPX powertrain will be some sort of mix and match between the current Caddy SLS and STS. The motor appears to have the same specs as the Northstar as used in the SLS, but the final drive – at 3.71 – is what the STS has used. The trans. is the 4T80E, of course.

    I see nothing referring to a version of the TapShift that was introduced on the ’04 GP GTP. I had hoped . . .

    With a quoted weight 200+ lbs less than an SLS, and that 3.71, I expect acceleration to be – umm – brisk. If the traction is there. With 61% on the front wheels (18”) this will be a possible issue. But probably not much better than 15.0 sec. in the quarter. Not class leading, at this point – and likely very similar to the ’04 GP GTP. And the ’97 GP GTP. Though clearly the Bonne is a bit larger than the GP.

    With less weight than a STS/SLS, perhaps they will be able to improve the fuel mileage compared to the S_S's? Though EPA 18 / 27 for the ’04 SLS is certainly not bad for a 4000 lb vehicle.

    One thing that I do not understand is the stated requirement for 92 octane fuel. The 2 Caddy S_S's have been running the Northstar at these HP / TQ level with 87 octane. Strange.

    Anyone have any insight here?

    The 14 inch front / 13 rear brake disk diameters are an interesting touch.

    I wonder what the performance-tuned exhaust system will sound like. A V6 can be tricky to tune for a decent note – but a V8 ought to provide opportunity for something nice. But I doubt they will actually provide a true dual exhaust. “Pleasing rumble” does sound promising. We'll see.

    And I wonder exactly what interior changes will have made it into production. I have not seen official pictures, and obviously have no password to access those ob this site. It sounds like mostly minor trim changes.

    - Ray
    Now awaiting a test drive with renewed interest . . .
  • xavier64xavier64 Posts: 76
    Thanks for the link to the GXP. Hope this will continue the Bonneville's future with GM.

    I wonder if the Northstar engine would have the intake manifold gasket issue that occurs with the 3800 engine. Would it be possible to place a Northstar engine in Bonnevilles from 2000 on? just a thought...

  • Bought a factory owned car with 34000 miles on it. twice now the brake light comes on and the traction control disengages. first time under warranty dealer said ok. did it again. both times it reset itself after restarting car. anyone else with this problem or ideas as to what to do about it. thanks in advance for any info.
  • mlm4mlm4 Posts: 401
    The brake warning lamp (or MIL) will turn on when there is a problem with the brake system (ABS has a separate MIL), when the parking brake is depressed or during the lamp test when the ignition is turned on. When the parking brake is set the traction control is disengaged, I believe (this is the way it is on most GM cars), so my first guess is that the position switch on the parking brake is bad or maladjusted. Maybe an intermittent short in the signal. Just a thought... Also make sure that when the parking brake is released that the pedal is coming all the way up.
  • idntnvuidntnvu Posts: 251
    the "ABS" and "traction off" light are permanently illuminated on my parent's '93 SSEi, I think due to a problem with an ABS sensor up front or it could be any range of other more serious issues. Any time that you lose the use of your ABS, you will lose the traction control, because that's how your traction control functions, by using the ABS. Is it the "BRAKE" light or the "ABS" light that comes on? If it's "BRAKE," then mlm4 has the right opinion. If it is anything dealing with the ABS, then on a car that new with that mileage, my guess is a bad sensor. It used to be a pretty common problem with the previous generation Bonnies, but I'm not sure about 2000 and newer models.
  • xavier64xavier64 Posts: 76
    Hope all are doing well. Back on post 180, there was some discussion on trying to set up a Bonneville meet. One location was Pigon orge,TN.

    I was wondering if this sounds like a possible place and perhaps sometime in the fall (late Sept/October). If anyone has other suggestions please drop a line.

  • thanks mlm4 and idntnvu for the response to the brake light. idntvu asked if it was the abs or the brake light. it was the brake light, not the abs. thanks to you both. will be checking into it.
  • idntnvuidntnvu Posts: 251
    Hi all, "the user formerly known as 1badsidekick" here...the parent's '93 SSEi is having a fit again. My mom took it to Gatlinburg TN this past weekend, and on the way up into the mountains, it overheated, and wouldn't start again for a while. She finally got it restarted, and didn't drive it the rest of the time they were up there. She and her sister got in it to come home yesterday, and the thing was heating all the way home (about 4 hours, 230 miles). She kept the climate control on 90 the whole way, and considering the temperature outside was 87, they were a little warm. Now, the question is, what is causing this? The fans at the radiator seemed to work intermittantly, but they did work. I know the engine has to reach a certain temp before they kick in. What else could this be? Thermostat? Water pump? Any help is appreciated. I'm going to try to get it to the garage today for them, but I'd like to get it in there and halfway know what to expect, rather than going in there with a blindfold on. (Even though the mechanics at our garage are good, they tend to "throw parts" at the problem, rather than knowing immediately what it is.) Any advice??
  • theicemantheiceman Posts: 736
    Not that I ascribe too much importance to this result: NHTSA
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