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Pontiac Bonneville



  • ezraponezrapon Posts: 348
    The aurora would make sense at Buick. It would be a nice filler for the defunct Riviera, but why did the Riv fail? I always thought they were cool cars, especially with the s/c 3.8. GM seems to be reverting to their mid 70's thinking with name plate switching as the only difference between cars. With that in mind, it would seem the whole Old product line should die an honorable death to avoid the name plate glut. With the Firebird/Camaro deaths upcoming, a lot of shuffling is sure to take place in the next 2 years.
  • I guess that the only reason why we're discussing the Aurora in the Bonneville forum is that it is a fellow G-body and it's ultimate destination COULD affect the future of the Bonneville.

    Notwithstanding the Aurora influence, one would assume that (saner minds prevailing, of course) the Bonneville's future will be secure as long as the sales are there. My concern is that the PROSPECT of a line shake-up coupled with the GM-wide sales downturn COULD choke the investment in Bonnie necessary to keep it competitive. I guess we'll get signs of Pontiac's commitment to the Bonneville in about 6 months when we learn what, if anything, will be changing for '02.
  • I had a similar problem years ago in a late 80's Mazda and NEVER got the problem satisfactorily resolved. I finally agreed with the diagnosis that it was a circuitry problem and I replaced the radio. Everything worked fine for the following year before I sold THAT car.
  • ezraponezrapon Posts: 348
    Like the caprice before it, the Bonneville will soldier on for decades to come while the aurora will fall by the wayside. The aurora fills a niche that either does not exist or is glutted with too many cars. The bonnie, thanks to the lowly se model, will continue on as the darling of fleet sales... how many auroas do you see in rental fleets? The caprice lasted for years past its prime due to this same fact... strong fleet sales... thank you se... you will save my SSEi's [non-permissible content removed].
  • Well said Roger.
  • smfransmfran Posts: 432
    Another fact to keep in mind is that percentage wise, the Bonneville has the highest repeat ownership of all makes/models. I myself have had five.
  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    I've had it a month now and am really enjoying it (with a few previously mentioned situations to be fixed under wty). I don't see very many around though - in fact it appears to be far more rare than the Impala which I've seen scores of since the first of the year. SSEi is even more scarce - not even one a week. I wonder where Bonneville is selling in large numbers. Surely not the Boston north area.

  • hardestyhardesty Posts: 166
    As an owner of a 2K1 AV8, I would love to see Pontiac get the Aurora powertrains. One very nice thing about the 4.0L V8 is that it uses the 4T80E transaxle, which can handle a lot more power than the stock engine produces. There is no question about fitting it in, as the SSEi and AV8 are virtually the same underneath. I don't see the Aurora in its current form going anywhere else, it looks like an Oldsmobile! Even if GM gives Chevy a G-body car, it would have to look like a Chevy.
  • As a new 2001 LeSabre Limited owner, I poke around the other G-body forums from time to time. I was considering the Aurora V8, but at the time, I couldn't get a price I liked. The Aurora is also a little limited in trunk space, compared to the Bonneville and LeSabre anyway.

    Other than that, the Aurora is a great car and I would hate to see it disappear from the GM lineup completely. Hard to say where it would fit in, though. I don't see Chevy getting it; the Aurora is a little too upscale for that division. Pontiac might land it, but I don't see Pontiac carrying both the Bonneville and Aurora in their product lines.

    Buick might find a home for the Aurora, but the styling would have to change a little. Then again, would they have the LeSabre and Aurora in their product line??? Who knows. Personally, I don't know why they continue to carry the LeSabre and Park Avenue at the same time. The LeSabre Limited, fully optioned, has virtually every option the Park Avenue Ultra has, sans the good old Eaton M90, for about $10,000 cheaper

    Initially, I think most Olds buyers will start heading for Buick. In light of that, if GM keeps the Aurora, it would probably wander over in that direction. If Buick were smart, they would dump the Rendezvous, and pick up the Olds Bravada. Nice truck.

    Enjoy your Bonnevilles, everyone.

    - vtech83
  • ezraponezrapon Posts: 348
    Again, if Buick could not keep the "legendary" Riviera afloat, they don't stand a chance with the un-buick like aurora. I think we can safely right off the entire Olds line, however, why not keep the powertrain set ups? The 2 little Northstar drivetrain systems could be the replacement for the sturdy but outdated 3.8 across the entire GM line especially the Park, Lesabre, and Bonneville. I keep looking for a decent deal on a Ultra to replace my SSEi... the rattles have gotten the best of me. Too bad someone doesn't hit a deer and need a good Bonnie.
  • ezrapon:

    If Buick built a LeSabre outfitted with the Aurora goodies (NorthStar V8, 4T80E, 17-inch wheels/tires, REAL buckets with a floor shifter), I'd buy one tomorrow.

    I think the Riveria fell victim to a lack of interest in big 2-door cars. Buick should have turned the Riveria into a rag-top; that probably would have kept it alive.

    Who knows what GM will do. They still think that Camaro/Firebird owners are going to start buying souped up Chevy trucks. As a former Trans Am and Corvette owner, I can tell you right now that strategy won't fly.

    - vtech83
  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    Don't forget the name for that kick a@@ Buick - it's got to be a screaming WILDCAT!!

  • I want to thank everyone for their imput, as I was deciding between a used SSEi and a dealer demo. You will be happy to know the used SSEi won, and I am thrilled with the car. It is a blast to drive and I got a good deal. Now that I have this black beauty, I want to keep the paint in pristine condition. Should I avoid the automatic, brushless carwashes, and go for the hand washes, when it is too cold in NY do to it myself? What is a good wax, to maintain the glossy showroom look? Thanks for your help.
  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    Best wishes for a long and enjoyable ownership experience with your new 'Black Beauty'. There's nothing like sliding into the (leather) seat of your new ride.

    Please keep us posted on your experiences.

  • Congrats on the SSEi.

    As far as washing your car, I would opt for the self-service type of wash, the places where you spray on the soap and rinse it off yourself. I've been told that even brushless car washes use harsh detergents and chemicals that can damage your paint.

    I've been using the Meguiars Mirrow Glaze line of products for years and have been very happy with the results. Use the #7 Show Car Glaze to bring out the shine and then a couple coats of #26 Hi-Tech Yellow Wax to protect the finish. They also make a product called #34 Final Inspection you can use for shining your car quickly after a rainstorm or after washing. Only works if you have a good coat of wax on the car in the first place. Get yourself a load of good quality terry cloth towels for polishing and waxing the black beauty.

    Zaino polishes also come highly recommended, but you have to order their stuff, it's not sold at any auto parts store. Also, Zaino doesn't have any kind of wax product, so I would be a little concerned about paint protection.

    Good luck.
  • hardestyhardesty Posts: 166
    Just saw the news that GM plans to cut production at Lake Orion (LeSabre, Park Avenue, Bonneville, and Aurora) by 25% by spring. Since the Aurora is currently less than 10% of production at the plant, even stopping production on it means a big cut for Buick and Pontiac. IMHO, the G-body is the best GM sedan, and a damn good car period. I hate when people screw up a sure thing because they don't know what they have, or how to let people that it exists.
  • smfransmfran Posts: 432
    The reason Buick offers both the LeSabre and the Park Avenue is obvious. The LeSabre is smaller, has less luxury options, and costs less. It clearly is in a different class and price range.
    However, I do agree with you that Buick should dump the Rondevous. A vehicle of this type does not fit in to the Buick lineup. But, I also don't think an SUV like the Bravada fits in either. I also don't think it fit in with Oldsmobile and that may be the reason it didn't sell that well.
    I'd like to see a larger, sportier "Bravada" as a Pontiac. Something less in size and cost than a Danali/Escalade.
  • smfransmfran Posts: 432
    Ken - Thanks for reminding me about the Wildcat; basically a two door sportier Lesabre. That was quite a car!
    Also, what else can you tell me about the Buick LaCrosse and where can I see the pictures you talk about?
  • Welcome to what my Scottish friends would no doubt cringe at my calling a "Bonny world". I too recommend Meguiars products but do not share vtech's aversion to touchless car washes. Of course, my finish is dark bronzemist and will hide dulling and small scratches way better than black. But it'll never look as sharp as yours at night. Congrats again - I hope your Bonneville experience is as positive as mine!

    Ya want pix of the Lacrosse Stephen? Check out ... a site which promises to deliver more wallpapers of cars but no Bonnevilles as of yet :( or buick's own site at href= While we're on the subject, does anybody have a URL for wallpapers of the current Bonneville? I've cobbled a couple together myself but because I'm starting with low-res pix, the results are just barely acceptable - I need to get rid of the Jag S-car wallpaper (installed to please my wife - although doesn't entirely displease me, it does seem...well, traitorous).

    Ya know what else? I was recently do some research on plastics and came across a Greenpeace document on PVC's which - get this! - extolled the 2000 Bonneville as being the first N. American car to use a "soft polyolefin skin" in place of PVC for "full instrument panel design." Apparently, we Bonnie owners are just a bunch of cutting edge environmentalists. Anyway, the benefits of not using PVC is the reduction or elimination of cracking, warping, fading and that window fogging from leaching over time. Hmmm...
  • smfransmfran Posts: 432
    By checking out the LaCrosse I don't think it can be a replacement for the Park Ave. It doesn't appear to fit the same demographic. My 71 year old father drives a '98 Park Ave and is in the market for another. I don't think he would be interested in something as "racy" as a LaCrosse. Also, these concept cars take a long time to hit the market and I think the Park Ave. is going nowhere. Have there been any actual reports of the Park Ave being discontinued?
    The LaCrosse does look like something that may attract a Bonneville owner looking for a change; like ezrapon or possibly me. By the way Roger, if you are serious, have you contacted the deer hunter?
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