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Pontiac Bonneville

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  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    Did anyone receive any automotive presents for Christmas? I found in my stocking a new Accutire pressure gauge - backlit for night use - a very handy little gadget. Santa must have seen the Sears sale last week!

    No white Christmas right here in south coastal Maine - but I see that Buffalo had 2 feet of snow yesterday! My kids will be disappointed of none falls here during vacation.

    Best wishes to all

    Ken
  • mlm4mlm4 Posts: 401
    Santa brought me A Pictorial History of Chevrolet 1958-1960, which is a collection of photographs from the GM archives. Very cool book! I also recommend 75 Years of Pontiac, which I bought several months ago, for all Pontiac enthusiasts who didn't find it under the tree this year. ;-)
  • I recieved a great book with pictures of abandoned cars. Brings a tear to your eye when you see some of these old cars left to rust away.

    Hard to believe that another year has gone by. Only a few days left in 01.
  • mfahey1mfahey1 Posts: 419
    First let me say that I hope that all of you were able to enjoy the holidays as much as we did. I guess as we get older, we are able to enjoy the time that our kids are able to spend with us considering that they both live an hour away in Chicago.
    Now that I have your attention with my title, the Chicago Tribune had an abbreviated review this Sunday of the 2002 Bonneville SE. So as not to violate any copyright laws, I'll put what they said in quotes.
    "Exceptional ride, superb handling, outstanding performance. The '02 Pontiac Bonniville delivers on all counts.
    You also enjoy quick steering response and the ability to go in the direction pointed, thanks to traction control that helps you get-and keep-going when rain or snow covers the pavement.
    Four-wheel ABS, front and side air bags and such amenities as air conditioning and power doors/windows/mirrors.
    What more could you ask for?
    What we would ask for is a major styling overhaul. Bonneville was last given a fresh look for the 2000 model year, but the car has not aged gracefully.
    Bonnevelle looks a little saggy and baggy and needs to sport a more muscular design in keeping with its performance character. Pontiac excitement is supposed to start when you take your first look, not after you take your first drive."
    Gee, you think we look "saggy and baggy"?
    I guess that, as always, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
    Considering that the reviewer mentioned "superb handling", did the '02 SE add a rear stabilizer bar that the earlier SE's didn't have?

    Mark
  • smfransmfran Posts: 432
    It would be too much to ask for any auto manufacturer to update styling after only three model years. With the investment made for the change between 1999 and the "fresh look" of 2000, I doubt any major changes would occur before the 2004 comes out.
  • ehaaseehaase Posts: 328
    The Bonneville is supposed to be discontinued by 2004 or 2005, so there will probably no more significant changes. The Bonneville does not sell well.
  • Sales up over 10% this year from last year for the Bonneville. Might been a good sign for the future of the Bonneville.
  • Automotive News Data Center has the numbers as : 2001 thru November 46,087, 2000 thru November 62,383.
  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    Mark - It's interesting that the reviewer did not mention the SLE and SSEi models have more aggressive looks than the SE model. One would almost wonder if the reviewer was aware of the differences. And the handling remarks sure sound better than others had said of the SE in pst years. I don't think the sway bar is std yet either - perhaps his car had one installed anyway.

    Can't argue with his summary of the ride and handling. Mine is just the way I like it. BTW, my Aquatreads have been on for almost 2 weeks now - had one rain storm to try them out in - very grippy. Dry handling seems ok too but at 80-85mph you can just barely hear a bit of tire whine as Tirerack suggested. No snow here to try out that handling yet.

    Happy New Year to all.

    Ken
  • mfahey1mfahey1 Posts: 419
    It does make you wonder sometimes about the car review process. I know it isn't practical for the reviewers to actually drive and review every variation of a particular model but it would seem that they could at least mention what else is available in a given model they are reviewing. I was looking at Motor Trend today and they have a table of all the cars they have reviewed over the last several years and what performance specs they were able to run. The 2000 SSEi is listed at 0-60 in 7.5 seconds while the GTP with the same engine although a lighter body is listed at 6.8 seconds. Maybe axle ratio has something to do with it but I simply don't believe there is that much difference between the two models or that the SSEi is that slow.
    Saggy and baggy indeed. Cancel my subscription.
  • ezraponezrapon Posts: 348
    I have done a few modest mods to my SSEi i.e., pulley, thermostat, air intake. I have beaten a GT mustang and a Z/28. I imagine my 0-60 times are much better than the advertised one in the media. Probably pushing around 270 to 280 H.P. The car is much more fun to drive with the mods. Pontiac could have tweaked this car with axle ratios and other little engine tweaks to make it a real screamer. I wonder what the reviewers would say if they drove a 300 HP... 3:23 ratio SSEi? I guess they'd whine about the torque steer. With these temps in the teens here in St. Louis, it seems like ol' Santa dropped a 427 under my hood... she loves the cold stuff. Off the subject: Just saw the Pontiac commercial for the G/P... What would you do with the keys to a new GP, for a week? Easy. Throw them away and keep driving my Bonneville!!! Happy holidays to all and GO RAMS!
  • fantascpfantascp Posts: 175
    I could use a new GP anyday!!!!!- sure beats running around in a 91 Buick Skylark with over 127,000 miles on her as my primary way to get to work!!!- (LOL)- of course my wife has the BONNEVILLE - Monday to Friday- what else is new??
    Oh Well,

    Everyone- have a safe,happy, and joyous NEW YEAR!!

    Regards,

    CHUCK
  • Just dropping buy to wish all a safe new year and enjoy the time spent with family and friends.

    The Maple Red Bonnie has crossed over the 3500 mile barrier and is working fine.

    Can one purchase the passenger side air filter at any auto store and install it themselves? As far as I can tell, the unit just drops in. At the dealer, the service tech said it cost about $75.00 or so.
    Have a safe holiday and take care...Steve
  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    May it be healthy and prosperous for all. (And nowhere near the last year for Bonneville!)

    Best wishes

    Ken
  • intense01intense01 Posts: 107
    Guys:

    I have designed a Limited Slip Differential (LSD), and I can tell you that it virtually eliminated the torque steer issues in my car. And more traction never hurt anyone!

    At this moment the car has about 340 horsepower and 395 foot-pounds of torque at the crankshaft, and 3.69:1 final drive ratio.

    I tried to post some of the links to ClubGP, but I don't know enough about programming to shorten the links so that Edmunds will let me post them. Sorry!

    Happy New Year to all!

    Scott A. Cook
    Westerville OH
    2000 SSEi
    13.438 @ 101.89 MPH (2.013 60' time)
  • fantascpfantascp Posts: 175
    Hi Steve,

    If you have the SE model like Ken and I do, according to my Pontiac Dealer- even if you put a filter into the empty passenger compartment-it won't do anything- you have to have the separate Climate Controls for it to work on the passenger side. Anyone else agree/disagree???

    Happy New Year again to all,

    Chuck
  • mfahey1mfahey1 Posts: 419
    First of all, Happy New Year to one and all. Last year was a tough go on many fronts and we can all hope that this year will be better.
    Scott, I'm certainly impressed with your design efforts. I know that traction control is supposed to take the place of limited slip differentials but having had three vehicles now with traction control, I personally think it is a poor substitute for positraction. Certainly for outright acceleration, traction control is working against what you are trying to achieve but even in normal use, too much foot or even not all that much foot easily results in unintended tire spin.
    As far as the final drive ratio goes, to show you the difference between today's cars and those of yesteryear, my Bonneville turns 1000rpm/33mph or thereabouts. My 70 Camaro, on the other hand, runs 1000rpm/24mph. The Bonneville weighs more,outaccelerates and gets about double the fuel economy of the Camaro. People can gripe all they want about the new cars and all of their technology but to me, there is no comparison between today's cars and those of the "good old days".

    Mark

    P.S. Any plans to market your design?
  • It is just a paper filter, all the air goes through that space anyway, so it will work. The climate control system is just to have different passenger side temps.
  • Chuck and Arthur,

    Thank you for the input on the air filter. Has any one done this yet and will it make some difference?

    Hope all have a nice day.......Steve
  • fantascpfantascp Posts: 175
    I would have to agree with you on this and not the Dealership- i can't see why this would not work- its just an empty space when you open the compartment- i would also think-just place the filter in and thats it-done. What kind of air quality improvement you would get from this I don't know. I also got conflicting prices on the filter- the Dealership said around $80.00 to $90.00- they also said it was the main air filtration filter- (INSIDE THE CAR) i don't think they know what the hell they are talking about- I told him it was not inside the car,it was under the hood up near the firewall by the passenger side of the car and which point he drew a blank!!! had no idea what i was referring to.
    The questions still remain
    1. Does it work/and air quality improved?
    2. What is the cost of the filter?is it worth buying versus any benefits?
    Any help from the members is appreciated!!!

    Thanks,

    Chuck
  • mlm4mlm4 Posts: 401
    According to GMPartsDirect.com, the air filter for the Bonneville has a list price of $24.08 and their price is $14.42. It is GM part number 25654414 (found in the owner's manual). There is a TSB (00-01-37-002) that suggests (but does not explicitly state) that the pollen filter can be added to vehicles that did not come with one. The purpose of the TSB seems to be clarification that the filter is an option on the SE and standard on the SLE and SSEi and that if the dealer adds one it and the installation are not covered by the warranty.
  • mim4 is right based on the info I got with a talk to my Pontiac mechanic. In addition part number 25654414 is also an ACDelco part CF117 according to their site, http://www.acdelco.com , so it may be available through auto parts stores. But he says if the car did not come with one from the factory you need part number 25669930 the first time because it includes a frame that later replacements of 25654414 go into. check http://www.gmpartsdirect.com to get pricing but should be double the refill. If have seen the junk that shows up in my brothers' Montanas (97&00) and I know with my wife's alergies I put filters on the furnace at home, so if I had a newer Bonneville, I would add it. Good Luck, and I guesss Good Air!
  • fantascpfantascp Posts: 175
    Thanks for all the info!!!!

    Chuck
  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    What a bummer - went out this morning and noticed a number of scratches on the driver side rear panel - on both sides of the wheel well and on on the rear door. Looks like someone did it in a parking lot sometime this week and I didn't notice right away. Probably turning out of the space and just rubbed it a bit - enough to dig into my paint but not crease the metal. Really shows up on the green paint. Bummer

    Ken
  • fantascpfantascp Posts: 175
    KEN,

    sorry to hear about the scratches- i can relate to how you feel- we had the car since Mar of 2000-in July of 2000- down the Jersey Shore-shopping mall at night- went to a movie- when we came out car was parked in a well lit area- on the lower right rear panel- ART WORK!
    someone had actually drawn a figure 8 and cut into the panel!!! talk about wanting to CHOKE
    the Hell out of the one who did it!
    I can never get over why someone would take great pleasure in VANDALIZING another persons property
    etc- Good luck in repairing it-
    Just some advice- I tried GS27- It did not work!
    you did not say how bad it really was- maybe you take it to a body shop for an estimate and file a claim with your Insurance Co instead of trying to fix it yourself?

    Chuck
  • mfahey1mfahey1 Posts: 419
    We all feel your pain, Ken. Just today at the hardware store, I had someone look at me funny because of where I parked. The reality is that sometimes you just can't avoid parking spots that put you at risk for something like that and after that, it's just a crap shoot as to whether anything will happen. Of course, some people like my wife have absolutely no built in radar as to who is possibly trouble parked next to her and her van shows it.
    Said hello to Dennis(Homer2000) on the 70-81 Camaro site. He said he hardly even thinks of his Bonneville now that he has his Camaro.
  • mlm4mlm4 Posts: 401
    Ken, sorry to hear about the scratches. Even though it is a relatively insignificant problem in the big game of life I too get very upset when these things happen, especially if it happens intentionally or due to negligence. What can you do? I CAN'T WAIT for someone to come out with a more durable surface for automobiles. It seems like the paint is still too fragile to stand up to the tough environment it is exposed to. It gets scratched even if you brush it with your keys opening the door! Get it fixed, you'll feel better.
  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    It probably happened sometime prior to this week and I just didn't notice till I got the car washed. I hadn't been driving it for a while - switched with the wife and drove the Suburban over the last couple weeks while on vacation. Oh well - what's another 2 or 3 hundred dollars???? lol Just charge it right??? That's what God created plastic for!

    BTW - the new Aquatreads are running beautifully. Nice and smooth - no more vibrations, handles just fine and I can't wait for a real downpour some night on the way home!

    Best wishes to all. Thanks for the kind words of support.

    Ken
  • Just wanted to report the Bonnie got baptized with its first drive through the white stuff (ice/snow mix). The roads had been covered over and another friend slid through an intersection due to ice and was only going 25 mph.

    Was happy with the traction with the Affinity tires and got the car home in one piece. Must admit, was not sure how the car would handle in the snow but I am impressed. Steady and slow will get you home...

    Ken, sorry to hear about the scratches. It is hard to see this happen when one tries to take care of one's auto.

    Everyone, take care and drive safe...sxb
  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    handled the snow very nicely for me last winter. I was very impressed with their grip. We'll see soon how the Aquatreads do.

    Ken
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