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  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    Plus, the car has just been out for just four years. You;d have to drive an awful lot to put 150K miles on on that time. :)

    150,000 trouble-free miles is a pretty tall order. That didn't happen on my old toyota, nor on hondas, toyotas, lexuses, and subarus friends of mine have.
  • wshflwshfl Posts: 24
    That's true; 150,000 miles is a lot to put on in 4-6 years.It's just that it seems that most people who comment have a litany of consistent niggling problems, punctuated by catastrophic failures of transmissions, engines, etc.
    Then, posting #908 states that a Jag should not be expected to go 150,000 miles. To me, any car that can't be relied upon to travel that distance, should not be on the market. It's not a matter of affordability; it's a question of manufacturing integrity, and honest value for the money.
  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    Shrug... You may be right. I won't use internet forums though.. There are problems forums for lexus, an they are #1 in reliability. Still, i'd probably lease one, and see how it behaved for those three years. :)

    150K miles is really a tough metric--in general you're talking about a very old car. My bmw has 120K miles and has been great. I do recall hearing about a 150K+ XJ8 from a friend. The owner owned businesses in several states and visited them every week.

    There are several such jags on autotrader..
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Of course the car could go 150,000 miles or 300,000 miles as long as you were willing to keep replacing whatever parts broke or wore out as the miles piled on.
    The repair and maintenance is so expensive that it makes no sense to do that.
    Who wants to drive a raggedly, rattling 100K mile plus S-Type with worn seats and cracked leather anyway? What is the point of that? Just dump the car at 36-50K miles and move on to the next car before it starts falling apart.
    If you want to drive high mileage, get a Corolla or Civic that might hold up for 250K miles and you can replace the engine and transmissions when they finally die for 1/3 or less of the cost of Jaguar parts if you are inclined to take the car even further.
  • wshflwshfl Posts: 24
    Why, exactly, do people buy Jag S Types, when every comparative test with similar BMW's, Audis, M.B.'s rate it as lagging behind the competition in almost every field: handling, perfomance, build quality, and resale value?
    Not only that, post #912 points out that by 100,000 miles, the car is apt to be raggety, and rattling, with seats that are cracked and falling apart.Inferior, even to Toyotas and Hondas.
    What are buyers getting for their money? The "Leaper"?
  • mylemon2mylemon2 Posts: 21
    I test drove the BMW 5 Series before I test drove the Jag S type, and I liked the Jag better. Had much better pick-up. Didn't test drive the Audi or MB. Why? Because, I realize now, that I got SUCKERED in by the Jag S's good looks and uniqueness, since not nearly as many get imported to the U.S. as BMW, Audi & Mercedes Benz. Boy, did I learn my lesson! Not only did I have a catastrophic problem with my Jag, but the jerks at Jag Corporate have let me know in no uncertain terms that they don't give a damn!!!! Their service people spent less than an hour "diagnosing" my car and then said there was "nothing" wrong with it! Since an intermittant fault might not show up all the time, I asked them to re-test it. They refused, and Jag refused to pay them (or any other Jag Dealer) for a re-test. If you had Medical tests done and they came out negative, but you KNOW that you were not imagining that there really might be something wrong with you, wouldn't you request that additional tests be done? Jaguar won't do any more tests! Jaguar tells you it's all in your head, and their cars are perfect! I won't drive this car any more, so I didn't drive it to any other mechanic. I thought about towing it somewhere else, but then Jag wouldn't accept another mechanic's test results, anyway. Lesson: DON'T buy or lease a Jaguar!!!!!
    I recently test drove a Mercedes C Class. Plain, cookie-cutter styling, but, GREAT pick-up and GREAT handling. DEFINITELY on my A List!! And, cheaper than a Jag S Type!
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Great post, xjsguy!! I moved it to the more appropriate discussion for you: xjsguy, "Jaguar XJ-Series" #2455, 26 Aug 2006 9:19 am.
  • xjsguyxjsguy Posts: 8
    Too bad for you.
    I have no interest in new cars however, I certainly love my '93 XJS.
  • I recently bought an S-type and the drivers seat won't move front to back. Under the passenger seat there is a rod that extends from the motor on the right side to the "gear box" on the left side. There is no rod on the drivers side but there are supports for one. The deal says I need a new seat tray. Is it possible to buy just the rod?? or are there other issues.
  • dr8adr8a Posts: 1
    Anyone have any experience regarding the CPO on S types? If so, is leasing a good option?
  • Never owned a Jag. Have had 5 Audis (talk about finicky cars), 4 Porsches (loved them all) and a host of other things.

    A local used car dealer, someone I have known for about 25 years, just bought a 2000 S type with V8 at the local auto auction. 1 owner, just under 70,000 miles, clean Carfax, etc. Asking $15,000 for it.

    Will go and drive it in the next few days.

    I know it is not Japanese quality, it might not even be American quality. The mechanic at this particular dealership only works on Japanese cars, but he is a Jag nut. currently owns three of them (none currently on the road--boy does that tell me something). Says he will be more than happy to perform whatever services it needs.

    Assuming I like the way it drives, and I can get it for the right price (not sure what that might be), other than all the reasons already cited on this forum, tell me why I should not buy it.

    I have a winter beater (Geo Prism) that I will keep since its trade-in value is about 40 cents. The family car in my wife's 2004 Lincoln LS bought new (so far, so good).

    Really want to get back into the Porsche program but just too cheap to drop $50,000 for a summer toy.

    Thanks for any insights and help
  • Jaguar will replace S-Type with XF

    Dale Jewett | | Automotive News / November 28, 2006 - 9:36 am / UPDATED: 11/28/2006 11:31 A.M.


    Jaguar Cars said today that it will replace the S-Type sedan with a new model, to be named the XF. The XF will go on sale in spring 2008.

    The luxury automaker, owned by Ford Motor Co., said the XF would debut next fall -- timing that would indicate a possible debut at the 2007 Frankfurt or Tokyo auto show.

    Jaguar said the XF was developed at its Product Development Center at Whitley in Coventry, England. It will be built at Jaguar's Castle Bromwich plant in Birmingham, England.

    The automaker declined to release any other details.

    The XF's platform will be made of steel, according to the Automotive News Future Product series, and not move to an all-aluminum structure similar to one used for the XJ sedan. Moving to an all-aluminum structure would have delayed the program by 18 months.

    The S-Type shared its platform with the now-defunct Lincoln LS sedan. Jaguar officials have said that the new car will not be based on a reworked version of that platform.

    Jaguar said that more than 270,000 S-Types have been sold globally since the car was introduced in 1999.

    Through October, Jaguar S-Type sales in the United States totaled 5,335 units, down 28.4 percent from the same period last year. When Jaguar launched the S-Type in the United States, its annual sales goal was 22,000 units.

    Jaguar's total U.S. sales through the first 10 months of this year stood at 17,874 units, down 31.4 percent from the same period in 2005.

    You may e-mail Dale Jewett at djewett@crain.com
  • I just got back from my local trusted mechanic who works on S-Type Jag cooling system problems EVERY DAY here in Dallas due to their terible quality. His diagnosis of the white, milky substance in my oil fill tube is the "motor is toast"! So I called Jaguar Assistance and was told "We will not help you". So I have been on the Internet and found this Edmunds Forum on S-Type Problems and am amazied at the problems and the number of ruined motor stories! Not surprised at the quote I saw for $13,000 to replace the 4.0 motor as my local dealer quoted $1,200 including $75/gal of antifreze to replace the split burp tank that caused the initial overheating problems. I have had the thermostat housing/tubes fail and the rear window regulator problems also!

    My question - does anyone know of anyone pursuing Jaguar legally on this quality problem. If so I want to join in!!! There has got to be some way to get financial relief for the 1,000s of S-Type owners who have been cheated by Jaguar. Never, ever acquire a Jaguar!!!

    Any help or leads would be most appreciated!

    Mike
  • My '93 XJS convert has an intermittent radio problem.
    Whether the radio is on or off when I turn the key, if I DO hear a loud pop in the speakers, the radio WILL function.
    If i do NOT hear this pop when I turn the key, the radio will NOT function.
    Does anyone have any info on this problem?

    In addition, here's a pic of my XJS:
    http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7458/hpim0022wr7.jpg
  • Shocked to hear about your engine failure problem,was going to see a new S type-R, this week!! does that also have the potential to have same engine problems?? :confuse:
  • I believe the newer S-Types would have the same problem if the motor is made of aluminum and there is any plastic in the cooling system = 1 overheat and the motor is ruined. When I was trying to figure out how to solve my anti-freeze leaking into the oil problem, I was told that the only way to repair such a failure is to replace the motor with new as rebuilding an aluminum motor is very chancy when it has warped! Now Jaguar may try to convince you that the standard warranty covers that problem and you can buy an extended warranty but they will use any excuse to void the warranty. For example, if you ever change your oil at any non-Jaguar location or do it yourself, that voids the warranty as far as they are concerned. I don't know about you, but $100 for an oil change + $100 - $200 for any other just diagnostic look at you car when you take it into a Jaguar service location is highway robbery! My next door neighbor just had a 50K check-up on his Jaguar which has a 100K extended warranty = $1,200! My opinion after owning 2 Jaguars over the past 10 years (a 1990 Sovereign whose head gasket went out at 40K miles again leaking antifreeze into the oil and costing us $3,500 to repair and our 2000 S-Type which is a total loss)and trying to work with my local Jaguar dealer Millinium Jaguar in Plano, TX is that Jaguars and their service program are the worst designed and most expensive on the planet other than an exotic car like a Ferrari or Lamborghini. I speak from considerable experience as I have owned a large number of cars in my life and currently own 14 cars including 10 classics that I have purchased and restored myself. Let me give you some other examples of Jaguar service rip offs:1) Replace the starter motor on our 1990 Sovereign at 40K miles = almost $600 at Millinium - any GM, Ford or Chrysler car would be $50 to $75 for the replacement starter motor and an hour of work to replace yourself and you haven't voided any warranty!, worst case $250 at a factory service location, 2)When the S-Type burp tank failed 2 years ago as the original problem that destroyed our motor, I took it to Millinium and called Jaguar from there after the diagnosis = Jaguar's position = tough luck!, I got a quote for Millinium to fix the burp tank before I knew that the motor was already ruined and they wanted $1,200 to replace what is essentially a plastic milk jug (Price = $250+)that failed while I was still within the 1st 3 year factory warranty but over by 3,000 miles on the 36K limit. Clearly the tank failed due to accumulated heat and pressure fatigue and Jaguar had lots of S-Types doing so. I still have the failed burp tank for law suite purposes. When I reviewed Millinium's burp tank repair quote for reasonableness, I found they were charging me $75 per gallon for replacement antifreeze!!! I knew I was being ripped off and had the repair done elsewhere for 1/2 the price even paying full price for the Jaguar replacement parts!

    Bottom line is we got burned as no other car had ever done to me by the 1990 Sovereign and lost a lot of money when I could only get $5K for it used! But my wife wanted another one and I tricked myself into believing that since Ford had owned them since the mid-1990 and the S-Type had a Ford V8 motor that it should be reliable? One of the worst decisions of my life! Currently, our 2000 S-Type is at the CoPart Auto Auction salvage car facility in Dallas to be auctioned tomorrow and the current bid for the parts is $3,050 and I feel luck to get that! I could not trade it in due to the check motor light being on, nor run it through the normal used car auction the dealers use for trade-ins because any used car sold at auction with over $500 in repair problems voids the sale! So this $50K car is sitting among the insurance wrecks and cars that have been ruined by flood and is being sold for scrap!!

    Think carefully about buying into such a transportation scheme unless money is no object to you?
  • "For example, if you ever change your oil at any non-Jaguar location or do it yourself, that voids the warranty as far as they are concerned."

    Mike, that may void it in their mind, but not in the mind of the law. If you maintain the vehicle to the manufacturer specs, it doesn't matter where you have it serviced or if you do it yourself. Of course you do have to have proof of this.

    They may tell you its not covered because you didn't have Jaguar do the work, but they are just hoping you accept that and walk away. I would tell them that if they don't honor the warranty then you will take it up with the Consumer Protection Dept. of your State Attorney General. Also, you will pursue legal action. In my state, Mass., in cases of consumer fraud like this, you can sue for 3 times the loss plus attorney's fees.
  • My 2002 S-Type has a reverse parking aid with no visible sensors. It was suggested to me that this may be because the system is radio rather than ultra-sonic but I cannot judge. Anyway within the last two days it has refused to beep. Is there anything I can do to fix it? I cannot find anything in the manual. :(
  • jcnewtonjcnewton Posts: 1
    Hi Everybody, new owner of a 2003 S-Type. Love the car but finding a couple nits.

    Has anyone else ever had problems getting the sunglasses holder in the overhead to stay closed? Are there any tricks?

    Thanks!

    John
  • hamptla1hamptla1 Posts: 1
    Kind Folks,
    I am considering a 2004 4.2 s-type with 87,000 miles. Is this a wise move or a waste of money?
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