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Jaguar S-Type

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  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,589
    I have a 2000 S-type 4.0 Jag. and a '99 GS300....there's no question that the Jag. has been much more troublesome with endless trips to the dealer and the GS has been VERY reliable. My conclusion from this ownership experience is simple...I probably will buy more Lexus', probably will never buy another Jaguar!
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,691
    3.3 and 4.3 and a supercharger. I read it in at least a couple of different publications. I hope that means the LS can get the VVT heads on the 3.0 and 3.9.
  • wbreauxwbreaux Posts: 33
    I work for a company which has a deal with Ford allowing employees to buy under the X Plan. I think there was some discussion a while back but I cannot find it. I understand this plan applies to Volvo, but does anyone know if it applies to Jag, and if so has anyone had any experience with it? I understand that for Fords at least the plan is under invoice.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,691
    I don't think the X plan is below invoice - I think it's just above. You're thinking of A plan which is only available to employees and family members. X plan is just a decent no haggle price.
  • ourjagourjag Posts: 10
    As akirby pointed out A-Plan is only for employees and their families. X-Plan for suppliers/vendors and their employees is at actual dealer invoice. Its a good deal because you need not haggle with the dealer over the new vehicle's price. Keep in mind that all rebates and/or special financing incentives still apply! Example: Sticker price $25,000.00 Dealer Invoice $22,000.00 theres a $1,000 rebate in effect, your price = $21,000.00 Also if you have a vehicle to trade you will still have to haggle with the salesman over the trade-in value! You make out great on and X-Plan purchase, if you are able to sell your trade-in yourself privately or through a public auction. If you were to be able to sell your vehicle privately. The total savings to you under an X-Plan purchase mostly likely be in the range of $1500-2000. I believe all Ford, Mercury, Lincoln, Mazda, Land Rover, Jaguar and Volvo cars and trucks qualify under X-Plan. Only one that does not qualify is Aston Martin SORRY!!!!
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,691
    Someone posted actual percentages a while back and X plan was just above invoice but I don't remember the exact number. Most vehicles can be purchased for between $0 and $500 above invoice unless they're high demand/short supply. And I'm not sure those would be available on the X plan anyway. I still think X plan is just a good price that you don't have to haggle over, but I don't think it's any cheaper than you could negotiate on your own. A plan is.
  • ourjagourjag Posts: 10
    As I stated earlier if you're seeking to purchase or lease a 2001 Jaguar S-Type, you will save at least a minimum of $1,000-$1,500 on an X-plan purchase or lease. When it comes to Jaguar, Volvo or Land Rover the public will never get the deal you'll receive on X-plan. When it comes to Ford, Mazda or Lincoln/Mercury cars or trucks the savings are small or virtually non-existent over that of a retail public purchase or lease. On these domistic products you would realize savings of 0 up to $1,500 depending on make and/or model. But on Jaguar, Volvo or Land Rover the savings are real and quite attractive!
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,673
    and I was just about to buy three Aston Martins (one for driving, one for parts, and one for looks), but now that X-plan is not available for Aston, I will cancel the sale...do they think I am made of money??? :):):)
  • jji7363jji7363 Posts: 33
    Does anyone know the release date of the new X-type? I've just seen 'summer' as the availability date. (Jag web site and jagtalk.com)

    Since it is based on the S platform, is it fairly safe to assume that it will be about the same size as the S type or the Lincoln LS? Also, will the typical 'wait 6 months for a new model so the obvious bugs can be fixed' rule-of-thumb apply here since it is based on a current model?
  • ourjagourjag Posts: 10
    Is based on the Ford Mondeo platform and is basically the same size as a Mondeo. It will be available at your Jaguar dealers sometime this June. I believe the formal introduction date is June 22nd. The X-Type will come available with a standard 2.5 liter engine 194 bhp and an optional 3.0 liter engine same as in the S-Type rated at 231 bhp. Manual or automatic transmission will be available with either engine. Your right about size in one area the interior of the X-Type is virtually the same size as the S-Type. The X-Type also sports a sightly larger trunk area than the S-Type. So next month hurry down to your Jaguar dealership and check out the all new for 2002 Jaguar X-Type. Its a whole lotta honey for the money!!!!
  • giowagiowa Posts: 599
    Some posters here at Edmunds on the Lincoln LS thread were commenting on the recent sales figures. LS sales down and Jag S-type up. I've seen some newspaper and TV ads lately showing Jag is heavily pushing subsidized leases. Watching TV last night saw an S-type ad for $499 a month and about $1,500 down. Think for 3.0. Forget rest of terms. Might not be a bad time to lease an S-type, esp. as Jag likely won't be inclined to deal on X-type for a long while.
  • jaguar123jaguar123 Posts: 1
    My mother rescently leased a 3.0 with power/memory for onlt 524 a month!!!!! when i compared it to others it is a really good value! i added up the down payment(3000),payments(534 times 36) and residual(21985) and that taxes and stuff and it was less then what the car costs! i dont see how they are making money off of this but it works for me!!!
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,691
    I just found out my company qualifies for the X-plan and I went to the Fordpartner.com web site. Here is the exerpt from the web page:

    Here is how the program works:

    You can take advantage of special discount prices on Ford, Lincoln, Mercury,
    Mazda, Volvo and Land Rover.

    Ford Super Duty F450-F750, Ford Thunderbird, Jaguar, Mazda MP3 and
    Aston Martin vehicles are not covered by this program. Exclusions are
    subject to change.

    I assume this is the only X-plan out there. According to the examples given of actual invoices (of course they're a little to grainy to make out the details yourself) the X-plan price is right at dealer invoice, give or take a couple hundred dollars (FLM). FLM is 4% over the A-plan price. Volvo is 2% over A-plan. Land Rover is 4% over dealer invoice and Mazda is "just below" dealer invoice. It doesn't cover trade-ins - you're on your own. But dealer participation is voluntary. They don't have to sell to you at the X-plan price.

    Still sounds like a good, no haggle price if you find a willing dealer.
  • mvargo1mvargo1 Posts: 298
    Some versions of the X plan include non "R" Jaguars
  • Has anyone had trouble with rapid and uneven wear of the optional 235-50ZR 17 Pirelli P-Zero Asymetrico tires? I have 20K miles on them and all are worn on the outside couple of inches. There's no way these tires will last 50k miles. The car has had regular service inspections and rotation.
    Also, has anyone had luck finding an adaptor for a non-dealer installed CD for the 2000 model (in glove box)?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,691
    If it's a Ford stereo you can get the adapters at crutchfield or radiosandmore, or a good local stereo shop. They also sell the OEM spec changers.

    As for Z rated tires lasting 50K, I wouldn't bet on it. I would guess 35K max unless you do a lot of straight highway cruising on smooth asphalt. But the uneven wear suggests an alignment problem. Have the alignment checked.

    BTW - Michelin has come out with a 235/50VR17 Pilot HX MXM4 tire for the new T-bird that will also fit the LS and S-type. That's what I'll be putting on my LS when the Firehawks wear out, which looks like it will be somewhere around 25K. That's the price for performance. Could be worse: my neighbor's 540i eats a set of $1200 Dunlops every 12K. Ouch!
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    You got tread left at 20K? Nice work! :)

    P-Zeroes are perhaps the most capable ultra-High performance tires on the market. As such, they tend to wear quickly. 30K is about as good as you're going to get.

    Uneven wear on the edges of a tire, however, generally indicate misalignment. ANd feathering wear like that is generally caused by the "toe" setting being out. Toe does not generally cause a pull either, incorrect Camber generally causes a pull.

    Hope this helps!

    Bill
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    Come to think of it.. I've never done better than 15K or so out of P-Zeros onthe XJRs that I have had. Closer to 9K or so for the rears.. but then... I sorta tend to drive it very hard :)
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,673
    so that was you leaving that patch of smoke as you drove away from the senior citizen's "Forget Me Not Rest Home"...:):):)
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    Yes :)) I had a lawyer in my sights

    LOLOL

    Bill
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,673
    having a lawyer in your sights is a good reason to floor it, in the hopes of outrunning the lawyer before they get to safe ground...but I do not believe that you will receive any public service awards, at least not this year...:):):)

    Bob
  • icdchessicdchess Posts: 83
    I have the P-Zeroes as well. Almost 20,000 miles. Wearing even but thinning out. I have maybe another 5,000 miles to go. There has been substantial discussion about the S-Type tires on the Jagtalk.com board (http://www.Jagtalk.com).
    Steve
  • lateralglateralg Posts: 929
    Two serious questions for Jaguar S-Type owners, or potential owners:

    1)Do you know the horsepower ratings of the S-Type and the Lincoln LS?

    2)Would it concern you if they both had the same horsepower?
  • giowagiowa Posts: 599
    How many Jag S-type owners know (or care) that the LS and S-type are corporate sisters? Essentially sharing much that is hidden by sheetmetal. Engines, transmission, suspension, steering gear, etc. Though built in different factors and with significant exterior and interior trim differences and options.
  • rea98drea98d Posts: 982
    If you've got something good that works, why spend money developing another platform to do the same thing? Building the S and LS on the same platform has made Jags more dependable (just look at the SIII or early XJ40's), and more affordable. The car still has the drop dead gorgeous looks Jags are famous for, and no one has been complaining that their S-Type handles like a Sherman Tank instead of a Jaguar, so the only downside to having Ford parts under the hood is you loose the snob appeal (no offense intended). I figure I can live without snob appeal if it makes it easier to get one of those things in my driveway. There are other reasons to buy Jaguars, and platform sharing with the LS (or the Contour with the X-Type), only enhances that.
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    Yes,

    They are as related as the Lexus RX300 and the Toyota Avalon.

    HP is different, induction systems, engine management systems, cyliner head designs..etc.. are all different.

    Suspensions are different, body structures, sheetmetal..etc.. all different.

    About all they share are engine blocks and floorpan stampings.

    Bill
  • brought new 2001 "S."Type home 10 months ago with a noticeable vibration in the steering wheel at 55-70mph. Dealer (AC Imports, Palatine, IL) has spent last 10 months trying to fix problem to no avail. currently trying fourth set of tires (Pirrelli) after Bridge stones, but still unable to remove vibration. Bridge stone dealer maintains that Jag has three out of round rims and that replacing tires will not solve problem-Jag maintains rims are O.K., but all previous sets of tires were flawed!! My lawyer advises me that this should be my first and LAST JAG!! I agree, especially after reading about very same problems since delivery of first "S." Type in 2000.
    Would appreciate notes from similar bares of bad news.
  • icdchessicdchess Posts: 83
    I have a 2000 S-Type with absolutely no vibration. The Jagtalk.com
    message board has many references to the problem because other
    owners have experienced it, however. Some
    there have suggested that high speed balancing is the solution; others
    that tire changing does the trick. You might wish to post your experience
    there. I know there are some Jaguar dealer service people there as well
    http://www.Jagtalk.com . It's free.

    Steve
  • giowagiowa Posts: 599
    No, they are about as alike as a Toyota Camry is to a Lexus ES300.

    In your list you forgot to mention all the important things they do share. How about transmissions? Yeah, Jag kept the crummy J-gate, but Lincoln was smarter to give option of regular shift pattern or SST option.

    Regardless of their similarities and differences, both are nice cars. I consider mine to be the smart money man's Jag S-type. But then I've got an MBA.
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    In your list you forgot to mention all the important things they do share. How about
    transmissions? Yeah, Jag kept the crummy J-gate, but Lincoln was smarter to give
    option of regular shift pattern or SST option.


    OK, transmissions. Does this make a 1988 XJ6, 1988 Range Rover, 1988 735i and a 1988 420SEL the same car because they all used a ZF 4HP22? OK, what else?

    Regardless of their similarities and differences, both are nice cars. I consider mine
    to be the smart money man's Jag S-type. But then I've got an MBA.


    Yes, the purchase price of the LS is lower. Total ownership costs? That depends from what I am currently seeing, LSs are doing not a LOT better than Continentals and Town cars in the resale dept. S-Types are still doing quite well...72% over 2 years so far.

    It must be very nice to have an MBA, I am duly impressed. Since I did not finish college being an equity partner in 2 new car stores is about as good as I have done. It did take me 5 years after finishing my Junior year of college though.

    Bill
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