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2011-12 Optima

csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
These spy-pics have been coming up for several months describing it as either a 2011 or 12 model. I'm suspecting a 2012 about a year from now, unless they do their old trick of keeping things a year old or making two different 2011 models. I imagine the small V-6 will disappear like the Sonata.
Big C pillar, no?

http://hubpages.com/topics/automotive/cars/sedans/322
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  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    http://hubpages.com/hub/SPY-SHOTS-20112012-Kia-Optima

    Guess I was one level too high when I provided the link on the last post.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,748
    Reports say it's due out late this year. If Kia goes on recent history, it will be the 2011.5 Optima. :P
  • Hey Backy,how ya doin? I still have my KIA,but recently bought a Prius just in time to hear all about that runaway acceleration.Perfect timing huh? My KIA has just over 36K on it and still runs like a Swiss watch.Great little car.
  • cars4mikecars4mike Posts: 18
    Maybe my eyes are failing me, but from the side shot it looks like a beefed up Elantra.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,748
    Do you mean the new Elantra? That would be no surprise, as Hyundai/Kia seems to be adopting the "swoopy" profile for all of their sedans, starting with the 2011 Sonata. The Elantra's profile follows this path... as does the Optima, and even the Accent. (I haven't seen pics of the Rio yet, but if it's still based on the Accent then I'd expect it too will have a similar profile.)
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    I think the unified front end is giving the new Kias a somewhat more angular look than the equiv. Hyundais. The next gen Sportage is certainly less curvy than the Tucson, for example.

    I think HyunKia is doing a far better job than I would have figured at keeping these lines looking distinctive from each other. Ten years ago, I would have thought that the Hyundais were going to look more formal since the Kia's were supposed to be younger/sportier/cheaper. Hasn't really happened that way, on the styling front.

    Thanks to them for not repeating the GM badging of identical cars that sunk multiple brands. When Pontiac brought out an identical Aveo, I knew that they hadn't fully learned the lesson. The Accent/Rio are about the last two twins in the line now that they've separated the small SUV's.
  • chronochrono Posts: 149
    edited March 2010
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,422
    The 09 Sonata and 09 Optima actually are built on different (though somewhat related) platforms. They may share engines, but they have had different wheelbases, interior dimensions, transmissions, as well as completely different styling. Much more different from one another than say a Taurus and a Lincoln MKS...and few people call them twins (though maybe they should). I think the 2011 Optima will continue that differentiation started with the last generation. Both the new Optima and Sonata are exceptionally styled.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,748
    (Can't reply directly because of the too-large photo above) I am pretty sure the 2009-10 Optima has the same I4 powertrain as the 2009-10 Sonata. Where did you see that they are different?

    And I will wager the 2011 Optima will use the GDI I4 and 6AT that Hyundai developed and is using in the Sonata and other applications. Those kinds of components are too expensive to develop to not use as much as possible.
  • j2jj2j Posts: 147
    edited March 2010
    Can't seem to post the pics here.

    Check out this thread on another forum.

    http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4802193&page=4
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,748
    Re the wheels... WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!?!?
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,422
    backy, if you read my message, you will note I said they shared the same 4 cylinder engine, but not much else. They had different transmissions, different 6 cylinder engines, and were actually in different EPA classes (mid-size and full-size). Of course components are shared, like components are shared between the Ford Taurus and Ford Flex, but to call them twins overstates the overlap. Fusion and Milan are twins. Explorer and Mountaineer are twins. The Optima and Sonata have not been twins since about the 2004 model year. And I very much doubt Kia-Hyundai will return to that sort of badge engineering that was the beginning of the Optima.
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    edited March 2010
    Same four cylinder engine and transmission for sure (the new cars and the present generation) . I think Backy and I were into a long discussion as to whether the present gen. Optima was a shortened Sonata or a lengthened Elantra. Think the last guess was that it was it's own thing, shared only with the Rondo.

    Of course, I'm not even sure what a shared platform is anymore. Obviously lots of engineering must get passed from one model to another but they're probably not the same duplicate car like the Chrysler cloud cars or the Sunfire/Cavalier of the early-mid nineties. Thank God, Hyunkia isn't making those mistakes-- like both lines but they're certainly different. In my case the local Kia dealer is far more likable so would probably continue to go that route.

    I certainly didn't see resemblance between the next gen Optima and present Elantra, but I certainly do with the rear end clip in this newest picture. Interesting that to my mind the Optima and Sonata have totally different styling clues in the new car, looking nothing alike, but both have some resemblance to the Elantra.

    The new Optima has lots of Saab-hints in it, not sure I like the extra wide c-pillar and I'm still not sure I like the new trends of many manufacturers to make side windows so small.
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    I think the EPA cu. ft. differences of the last gen cars were very close as the Optima barely missed being full size and the Sonata barely made it. My wife's Optima is almost as large as my Malibu Maxx in official size but seems much smaller in usable room. I think a lot of the Optima's size is in head room. If the roof clears your head by 2 inches or 5 inches, it makes very little difference in actual usable space-- unless you have a moon roof.
  • holy smokes. it looks awesome! man, i think i'm liking more than sonata.
  • backy,

    yeah, wheels look weird. it's too Golf like. but everything else look like it should compete against maxima and TL. wow. Schreyer strikes again.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,748
    Actually, one of the problems was I could NOT read your entire message at the time I replied because of the large photo that was posted above it. But I am surprised that Hyundai/Kia developed two different 5-speed ATs for use in the 2009-10 Optima and Sonata I4s, considering they used the same engine.

    2005 was the last twin year for the Optima/Sonata I think, with the 2006 Optima using the old design (until the 2006.5 redesign), and the Sonata was new for 2006 MY.
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    Automotive News is reporting that the Optima will get the 3.3 liter V-6 when it debuts this fall. If so, that represents a complete flip-flop with the Sonata when it comes to performance. Believe it when I see it.

    Don't think you can just pull up Automotive News website but the first page of their e-edition shows the best looking picture of the Optima yet. Definitely Saabish.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,748
    If the turbo four in the Sonata has, as rumored, as much or even more power than the 3.3L V6 in the 2010 Sonata, then it won't be a "flip-flop" with the Sonata if the 2011 Optima gets the V6. It will be a differentiator, though--and Hyundai/Kia seems to be doing a good job separating their cars from each other.
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    As soon as I posted I remembered the turbo on the Sonata. Comparison will be interesting. Assume the Sonata is too small to take the V6. Think present gen. Optima was limited to the 2.7 V6 because of engine bay size-- right?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,748
    I don't know if the Optima's engine bay was a limitation or not. Actually, the Sonata is too light for a V6, not too small.
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    according to kiamedia.com the gas model will have two engines:
    2.4L GDI four-cylinder: 200 hp
    2.0L GDI turbo four-cylinder (SX): 274 hp

    also a 2.4L for the hybrid (which won't be available till early 2011)
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    That makes a lot more sense than giving it a V6.
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    edited April 2010
    this is a quote from "Vision 21" info sheets (issued by Kia) dated April 2010.

    "The completely re-engineered version of Kia's popular mid-size sedan will retain the 'Optima' name in all overseas markets while the 'Magentis' name which was used in some countries has been dropped."

    This will not affect the US, but in Canada it was called the Magentis.

    It also states that it will go on sale at Kia dealerships in the USA and in non-European markets from Fall 2010, whiles sales in Europe will begin in Spring of 2011.
  • markleungmarkleung Posts: 44
    Before this gets buried by other posts regarding the steering, has anyone heard from inside sources or dealers on when the 2.0T will be in the showrooms?

    Most online sources are saying "late 2010" or "early fall 2010" or "fall 2010" but no solid dates. I am not that concerned about the price as Hyundais and KIAs must stay price-competitive anyway, but, when are they actually coming?

    I searched around and found a couple of news articles (!) on the date:

    Turbocharged-Sonata-will-be-built-in-Montgomery

    Hyundai-dealers-converge-on-Capital-City

    They basically said that the 2.0T will be out "in 6 months" and it has already gone through a dealer inspection.

    I hope someone can add to this. I can't wait to get this engine. By the way, I am from the Great White North.
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    Just a few weeks ago Kia unveiled the Optima (formerly known as the Magentis in Canada), at the New York International Auto Show. Canadian auto journalists were invited to be the first in the world to drive it at Hyundai-Kia Motor's R&D Center, in Namyang, about an hour-and-a-half outside of Seoul. Kia describes its current-gen mid-sized sedan as "vanilla" a car that didn't live up to perpetual sales slayers like the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord.

    The Optima is one of the first Kias to be fashioned with the new signature grille, a look led by Kia's chief design officer Peter Schreyer (previously of Audi TT design fame). Hyundai's comparative design with other carmakers - Kia's parent company's admitted design inspiration for its Veracruz crossover comes from the best-selling Lexus RX - is now trickling down to Kia. From the rear-side profile there are clear Lexus lines, like the sweeping chrome strip that runs above the side windows, and an intake vent near the front wheel is a clear inspiration from BMW. Kia describes the new look as "athletic" and "muscular" and, in person, it lives up to those who favour the looks of a sporty family car.

    The test vehicle was fitted with the new 2.4L GDI four-cylinder that makes 200 horsepower (up from 175 hp in the previous car), and a six-speed automatic transmission. The new engine offers up more power, and less thirst for fuel (Kia's early mileage numbers are 24 mpg [11.8 L/100 km] in the city; 35 [8.1 L/100 km] on the highway). The Optima's new 2.4L engine feels responsive and quickly gets the car up to 100 km/h on the proving ground's straightway. Kia will also offer a 2.0L GDI Turbo that makes 274 hp; while a 2.4L hybrid, Kia's first electric-gas car in North America, will arrive next year.

    In the driver's seat, the design is easily laid out to reach dials and controls, and the look is clean and modern - a look Kia hopes will appeal to men in their 30s and 40s. The quality of materials have a nice feel, and there are features available that usually come on more-expensive cars including paddle-shifters behind the steering wheel, a panoramic sunroof and an adjustable driver's seat with power lumbar support. The Optima will also be available with the UVO infotainment system that was developed with Microsoft. The car will go on sale early spring of next year.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 418
    "The car will go on sale early spring of next year. "

    Hmm I hope I can hold out that long. I like this car on paper.

    "Kia describes the new look as "athletic" and "muscular" and, in person, it lives up to those who favour the looks of a sporty family car. "

    Good to read. I think athletic and muscular fits.

    "a look Kia hopes will appeal to men in their 30s and 40s."

    I'm in my 30's and interested.

    "Kia will also offer a 2.0L GDI Turbo that makes 274 hp"

    Doh, I guess I'd have to wait over a year to see this.
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    not sure on the accuracy of the launch dates from the MSN article because according to Michael Sprague VP of Marketing for the US, is saying its a 2011 model not a 2012 and available later this year with the turbo to follow a few months later. Only time will tell, but will keep track and report as things change.
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