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2011-12 Optima

csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
These spy-pics have been coming up for several months describing it as either a 2011 or 12 model. I'm suspecting a 2012 about a year from now, unless they do their old trick of keeping things a year old or making two different 2011 models. I imagine the small V-6 will disappear like the Sonata.
Big C pillar, no?

http://hubpages.com/topics/automotive/cars/sedans/322
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  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    http://hubpages.com/hub/SPY-SHOTS-20112012-Kia-Optima

    Guess I was one level too high when I provided the link on the last post.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    Reports say it's due out late this year. If Kia goes on recent history, it will be the 2011.5 Optima. :P
  • Hey Backy,how ya doin? I still have my KIA,but recently bought a Prius just in time to hear all about that runaway acceleration.Perfect timing huh? My KIA has just over 36K on it and still runs like a Swiss watch.Great little car.
  • cars4mikecars4mike Posts: 18
    Maybe my eyes are failing me, but from the side shot it looks like a beefed up Elantra.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    Do you mean the new Elantra? That would be no surprise, as Hyundai/Kia seems to be adopting the "swoopy" profile for all of their sedans, starting with the 2011 Sonata. The Elantra's profile follows this path... as does the Optima, and even the Accent. (I haven't seen pics of the Rio yet, but if it's still based on the Accent then I'd expect it too will have a similar profile.)
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    I think the unified front end is giving the new Kias a somewhat more angular look than the equiv. Hyundais. The next gen Sportage is certainly less curvy than the Tucson, for example.

    I think HyunKia is doing a far better job than I would have figured at keeping these lines looking distinctive from each other. Ten years ago, I would have thought that the Hyundais were going to look more formal since the Kia's were supposed to be younger/sportier/cheaper. Hasn't really happened that way, on the styling front.

    Thanks to them for not repeating the GM badging of identical cars that sunk multiple brands. When Pontiac brought out an identical Aveo, I knew that they hadn't fully learned the lesson. The Accent/Rio are about the last two twins in the line now that they've separated the small SUV's.
  • chronochrono Posts: 149
    edited March 2010
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,415
    The 09 Sonata and 09 Optima actually are built on different (though somewhat related) platforms. They may share engines, but they have had different wheelbases, interior dimensions, transmissions, as well as completely different styling. Much more different from one another than say a Taurus and a Lincoln MKS...and few people call them twins (though maybe they should). I think the 2011 Optima will continue that differentiation started with the last generation. Both the new Optima and Sonata are exceptionally styled.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    (Can't reply directly because of the too-large photo above) I am pretty sure the 2009-10 Optima has the same I4 powertrain as the 2009-10 Sonata. Where did you see that they are different?

    And I will wager the 2011 Optima will use the GDI I4 and 6AT that Hyundai developed and is using in the Sonata and other applications. Those kinds of components are too expensive to develop to not use as much as possible.
  • j2jj2j Posts: 147
    edited March 2010
    Can't seem to post the pics here.

    Check out this thread on another forum.

    http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4802193&page=4
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    Re the wheels... WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!?!?
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,415
    backy, if you read my message, you will note I said they shared the same 4 cylinder engine, but not much else. They had different transmissions, different 6 cylinder engines, and were actually in different EPA classes (mid-size and full-size). Of course components are shared, like components are shared between the Ford Taurus and Ford Flex, but to call them twins overstates the overlap. Fusion and Milan are twins. Explorer and Mountaineer are twins. The Optima and Sonata have not been twins since about the 2004 model year. And I very much doubt Kia-Hyundai will return to that sort of badge engineering that was the beginning of the Optima.
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    edited March 2010
    Same four cylinder engine and transmission for sure (the new cars and the present generation) . I think Backy and I were into a long discussion as to whether the present gen. Optima was a shortened Sonata or a lengthened Elantra. Think the last guess was that it was it's own thing, shared only with the Rondo.

    Of course, I'm not even sure what a shared platform is anymore. Obviously lots of engineering must get passed from one model to another but they're probably not the same duplicate car like the Chrysler cloud cars or the Sunfire/Cavalier of the early-mid nineties. Thank God, Hyunkia isn't making those mistakes-- like both lines but they're certainly different. In my case the local Kia dealer is far more likable so would probably continue to go that route.

    I certainly didn't see resemblance between the next gen Optima and present Elantra, but I certainly do with the rear end clip in this newest picture. Interesting that to my mind the Optima and Sonata have totally different styling clues in the new car, looking nothing alike, but both have some resemblance to the Elantra.

    The new Optima has lots of Saab-hints in it, not sure I like the extra wide c-pillar and I'm still not sure I like the new trends of many manufacturers to make side windows so small.
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    I think the EPA cu. ft. differences of the last gen cars were very close as the Optima barely missed being full size and the Sonata barely made it. My wife's Optima is almost as large as my Malibu Maxx in official size but seems much smaller in usable room. I think a lot of the Optima's size is in head room. If the roof clears your head by 2 inches or 5 inches, it makes very little difference in actual usable space-- unless you have a moon roof.
  • holy smokes. it looks awesome! man, i think i'm liking more than sonata.
  • backy,

    yeah, wheels look weird. it's too Golf like. but everything else look like it should compete against maxima and TL. wow. Schreyer strikes again.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    Actually, one of the problems was I could NOT read your entire message at the time I replied because of the large photo that was posted above it. But I am surprised that Hyundai/Kia developed two different 5-speed ATs for use in the 2009-10 Optima and Sonata I4s, considering they used the same engine.

    2005 was the last twin year for the Optima/Sonata I think, with the 2006 Optima using the old design (until the 2006.5 redesign), and the Sonata was new for 2006 MY.
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    Automotive News is reporting that the Optima will get the 3.3 liter V-6 when it debuts this fall. If so, that represents a complete flip-flop with the Sonata when it comes to performance. Believe it when I see it.

    Don't think you can just pull up Automotive News website but the first page of their e-edition shows the best looking picture of the Optima yet. Definitely Saabish.
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