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2011-12 Optima



  • dash5dash5 Posts: 418
    Yeah I'd have to do the math on a lease because I've never done one before either but... it's a possibility. Like you said if I like it keep it or trade up, if not, well onward and upward.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,432
    Hyundai has been in the US market now for 25 years. That is likely long enough to have learned a thing or two. Plus, cars like everything else have more and more become like electronic devices with many solid state components. If it is a little scary (and it is), wait awhile. But the market is moving very fast now, faster than ever. New design techniques allow it, and the consumer market demands it. Any brand that doesn't move fast in this climate is not going to make it, longer-term.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,824
    edited September 2010
    Toyota's reputation didn't help owners avoid problems in the recent past, did it?

    Here's something that gives you an idea how obsessed Hyundai/Kia is with quality. Recently Kia recalled 100,000 cars worldwide (35k in the US) for wiring problems. Nothing too special there, recalls happen all the time. The response was unusual, though: Kia's CEO resigned because of it, taking responsibility for the gaffe in quality.

    With that kind of focus on quality and avoiding defects, I would tend to trust Hyundai/Kia there as much if not moreso than any other automaker. Also, I have 10 total years of ownership experience with 3 Hyundais that has demonstrated to me how reliable these cars are. And two of these cars were designs from the 1990s, which are less reliable than what they are turning out now.

    But if you think you would second-guess yourself for buying a Kia, and worry about when the first defect will show up, maybe better for you to get something else. One of those perfect mid-sized sedans out there. Like a... uh... never mind.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,740
    edited September 2010
    backy's right, Kia and Hyundai have arrived, quality-wise. You've got nothing to worry about. Every carmaker builds some duds. Someone disgruntled could leave a wrench in the works somewhere, for instance. Like what really happens at my former employer, The Boeing Company of Everett, WA. The IAM Union has some really, should I say, rugged individuals. Individuals who feel warranted to stand up and be counted in amidst all of the out-sourcing and hardball antics the planemaker throws their way. Boeing is not a nice company to work for. I know. I was laid off twice from them. But they do succeed and I have to respect them for that. Alan Mulally, current Fo-Mo-Co CEO, was the CEO of Boeing Commercial Airplanes while I was there. I am really impressed with the job he did there at Boeing's and now the job he is doing at Ford.

    My point is that there are always going to be some unforseeables with manufactured products. The reassuring thing with Kia and Hyundai and Mitsubishi is their Warranty. They will expect you to maintain your vehicle and if you do, you'll be fully completely covered in your 2011 Kia Optima.

    Do you still want that red? Red, red, I like red, red's the one that I like best. Technicolor red. Oh yeah. Keep us posted man, you're desiring a very, very well-built and fine car in the 2011 Kia Optima.


    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • My favorite part of that site is the background music LOL

    I will check out the Optima Turbo when I'm ready to buy a car next January. I hope they will be available for test drives by then. It'll be interesting to see how it stacks up against it's German 2.0T competitors in the Regal and CC.

    Speaking of which, there ought to be a 4cyl turbo sedan comparison. The Sonata, Optima, Regal, CC, Legacy and perhaps the S60 T5.
  • is a German competitor? Am I missing something here?

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • dash5dash5 Posts: 418
    Yeah the Buick Regal is a rebadged Opel Insignia, a German car. It's also made in Germany currently as far as I remember. Due to be moved to Canada shortly.

    But yes I'm still fully planning to get a Red Optima SX just like the one pictured, assuming I like it in person of course. Probably different rims though, we'll see. I'm not so much nervous about Kia, it's just the first year thing. Honestly, I know it's a bit paranoid though.

    I wish it would just come out already!
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    edited September 2010
    according to Kia Motors America Facebook page:

    The PR team is launching the all-new 2011 Kia Optima this week in Southern Cal and welcomes our journalists. We'll keep you posted with the news and reviews.

    new details on the Kia US website introducing the new Optima
  • Hmmm. You want rattles, squeeks and minor breaks? That sounds like my Generation 7 Honda Accord. The car's drivetrain shows all the benefits of those years and years of Honda's engineering equity. The rest of the car shows the effects of Honda's continual and aggressive decontenting. Toyota did the same sort of decontenting with the current Camry.

    I also own a 2007 Hyundai Santa Fe - an early production model of the current design. It has been solid and dependable, and a great car all the way around. The build quality is good, although the fit and finish and paint quality on later models is marginally better. The Santa Fe is generally holding up as well as my Honda. Maybe better.

    The only glitch with the Hyundai has been an issue with the passenger side airbag sensor, and Hyundai has been responsive about fixing it under warranty. Hyundai also updated the vanity light cluster to a later, improved design that they introduced in 2008 onward. Hyundai offered that upgrade as an option, for no charge - which I thought was pretty darned thoughtful.

    Granted ... there are reports on the Edmunds boards of some production glitches with the new Kia Sorrento (plus a general scarcity of parts, since it is a new model). I would check out those boards and see the discussions. And I would always avoid getting one of the first models of a totally new design - just because (even though that's exactly what I did with my Hyundai Santa Fe).
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    you can print off the full model breakdown and specs for the new Optima. However, prices are not available yet, but should be shortly.

    and on the same page you can then print out the features and options

    the base 2.4L will have 200hp and 186 lbs of torque
    the 2.0L turbo will have 274 hp and 269 lbs of torque
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 418
    I know I'm a broken record but... I'd love an update on if/when UVO will be available in the Optima. Anyone know if the Nav is voice activated by the way?
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 418
    Should be getting a ton more concrete info soon I guess now. Link has full release and here is a link to another shot of it in sexy red:

    "RVINE, Calif., Sept. 21, 2010 /PRNewswire/ — Kia Motors America (KMA) today officially launched the all-new 2011 Optima midsize sedan, first seen during the 2010 New York International Auto Show. Set to arrive in retail showrooms in early fall, the next generation Optima continues Kia’s design-led transformation while revealing a completely new and stunning design language for Kia, highlighted by a dynamic and streamlined profile that conveys elegance and athletic confidence from every angle. Optima’s groundbreaking spirit continues under the hood and inside the cabin with the introduction of three new powertrains – including the brand’s first-ever hybrid in the U.S. (available in 2011) – which is expected to deliver an increase in power and fuel economy while offering the latest technology features and luxury amenities."
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    edited September 2010
    Agree with just about everything you've said. I'm not sure, however, if the problems with the Sorento are the Georgia factory ramping up rather than new model faults. I don't follow the Santa Fe and Sorrento very closely but aren't they supposed to be built at the same new plant in the future? It would be interesting to see what happens with a new plant and an older vehicle.

    To KiaHyundais, I've bought two new models: an 01 Elantra that gave me no trouble, and an 07 (early, probably 6 months after 06.5 introduction) Optima that has also been flawless. That's my wife's car and it's not driven very much, I prefer my 05 Malibu Maxx, but GM has been much worse in new car problems than the Hyundai or Kias.
  • I see that the Turbo and NA transmissions are geared differently in the lower gears. What does it mean to the driver? I have no knowledge of how different gear ratios work. I hope somebody can explains this. Thanks.
  • jlindhjlindh Posts: 282
    A higher number for first gear means more rpms to go, lets say, 10mph. A higher number would be more of a "granny gear" if you know what that means. It would also be good for "pulling stumps". A lower numbered first gear moves all the 6 ratios closer together. It gives you a "close ratio" gearbox. This is better for maximum performance as the driver can select a gear resulting in being closer to the rpms required for maximum engine performance.

    I suspect that if you don't know what it means, it won't matter to you.
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    this time a Optima with different rims and a tan interior.


  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,085
    #1. Love those rims!

    #2. This interior looks so much classier than the tan interior in the Sonata. Why? Somewhat the actual dash layout but mainly because it doesn't have that ugly two-tone steering wheel! If the colors in this picture are true, it is also a better blend of color rather than a contrast.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 418
    Wow that interior looks great. I wonder how it will look in the two tone of the SX. According to the kia site those rims are the 17"s so that car is probably an EX.

    If you go to Style > Exterior and click on the wheels you can see all the options. I like the 18" luxury one I think even though it's very similar to the other one.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,824
    Agreed, I like it much better than the tan on the Sonata. The plastic is less orange-colored than in the Sonata, and the colors just blend together better. Also the door panels look richer--they seem to have a big patch of fabric on them.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 418
    Hope this isnt too wide of a picture:

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,824
    I'll have to take your word for it that it has a tan interior. ;)
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 418
    edited September 2010
    Hah sorry I meant if I do go with the Optima I'd like it in that Red with the Tan interior from a few posts back. :)

    Here's a youtube of the interior in tan:
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,085
    Re the video. Didn't notice the color difference before in the lighting between the radio/comfort controls and the speedo/tach area. One is red and the other is blue. I would have thought they would have coordinated this a bit more. Takes a little away from the overall coordinated look IMO. Still looks good but wish they could have did better there.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,085
    First drive review.

    Wish they would have commented a little on the Nav and sound systems but it's a good review of the drive and handling on the EX.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 418
    Wow impressive, but I guess not surprising.

    2011 North American Car of the Year Short List

    Audi A8 - Dont know enough about it.

    Buick Regal - Won in Europe didnt it? I like this car, could be a tough competitor.

    Chevrolet Cruze - I like the Cruze too.

    Chevrolet Volt - Not a big fan of the Volt myself, but it's a solid choice none the less.

    Ford Fiesta - I like the Fiesta a lot, other than the name anyway.

    Hyundai Sonata/2.0T/Hybrid - Great car, I think I'd put this in the top 3 for sure. Might very well win the title.

    Infiniti M37/56 - M series is very nice.

    Jaguar XJ - Great looking car.

    Kia Optima - Same great engine as the Sonata, better looking imo. Winner!

    Mazda Mazda2 - Dont know enough about it.

    Nissan Juke - It's uh, interesting looking. Not sure what else to say about it.

    Nissan Leaf - Like the Volt, not a fan but I see why it's on there.

    Volkswagen Jetta - I cant imagine this would win, sadly.

    Volvo S60 - Not a fan of the new look.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,085
    I think this whole COTY thing is kind of silly. Is it just an exercise on paper or looks? If not, how can anyone express an opinion on cars that aren't even on sale yet, had extensive industry test drives or had any kind of owner feedback? There should be strict criteria. The car should have to be available for sale by a certain date so some kind of exposure and feedback is available.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,824
    I am pretty sure there is a for-sale cutoff date on these COTY things. And since they are voted on by the automotive press, which has special access to new designs, it's not necessary that the cars be in wide distribution in order to make a judgment--as long as the voting body can assess the cars beforehand. For example, all the cars in the MT COTY voting get hands-on experience by the panel. Similarly for C/D's 10Best. Not so sure how the NA COTY voting happens.
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