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  • aconesacones Posts: 21
    Bolivar,

    In the recent past you have helped me out a lot with information regarding repairs to my '01 DeVille and I see that you're having some of the same issues I've had in the past. As far as the window regulators are concerned I too have replaced all regulators at least once & even twice on the rear passenger side window (for a total of five regulators). I was able to get the regulator for much cheaper on-line compared to dealer prices (believe I paid $65 brand new with motor as oppose to the $250 the dealer wanted). I was also able to complete the install myself in just over an hour (even the dealer claimed it was extensive). Send me a good email address and I'll forward you the step by step instructions with photos I used to replace the regulator(s). I know this is probably too little too late, but I have the information if you need it. SFC A.C
  • bolivarbolivar Posts: 2,316
    Sgt., I've not done any of the regulator replacements, as I noted, I've got an extended warranty with $50 deductible. I don't have much problem paying the $50 and letting them pay for it.

    My extended warranty ends in June or so. I've already talked with the dealer that sold me the current one. They will sell another one, but it will be for $2,400 with a $200 deductible.
  • bolivarbolivar Posts: 2,316
    Adding to my previous message....

    A $200 deductible for each repair is a little steep for me, especially considering how many things have been repaired on this car. And, even with all the repairs, with only a $50 deductible, the current extended warranty probably hasn't been a good deal, I probably haven't covered its cost.

    So, when my current extended warranty ends, I'm probably going to get rid of this Deville. My wife still wants a Cadillac, and is now making noises about an Escalade, which I dis-favor even more than her Devilles we have owned in the past. I've proposed selling her Deville and my Corvette and buying a Cadillac CTS-V. This still gives her a Cadillac and me a killer fast car. But she thinks it's 'too small'. Loves her tanks.

    And, to the GM rep that responded, I don't have any problem with the repairs as done. I do think Cadillac has long had a design problem with the regulator on its sedans. For years and years. And they knew about it and did nothing about it with a re-designed system. I've just read too much about regulator failures on the 1999 (whatever the years of the last Deville re-design) thru at least my year, 2005, having multiple, and early failure of the windows. And the cable that breaks not being changed or strengthened.

    Also acone, I know that the regulator can be bought from several venders on eBay for about $45 dollars, without the motor.

    I live in a small town. We lost our CAdillac dealership a couple of years ago. They just were not selling enough new cars for Cadillac to allow them to retain the dealership. I think they probably closed a lot of smaller Caddy dealership across the state. There may only be dealers in Okla City and Tulsa across the state. But since they still have the GM truck distributership, they can repair Cadillacs and honor the GMPP extended warranty I have. They cannot do new car warranty, but no problem with the extended warranty.
  • aconesacones Posts: 21
    Good deal, just offering my two cents worth of assistance. BTW, what type of extended warranty coverage comes with a $200 deductible (seems extrmemly high to me)? SFC A.C
  • bolivarbolivar Posts: 2,316
    I looked yesterday and could not find my note about the warranty. It might still be a GMPP, what the current one is. Or not a top-line GMPP version. Note that this car, a 2005, is now 8 years old, based a build date of mid-2004. I've got to buy this new warranty at least one month before the current one runs out (in June, I think). The salesman pushed me hard to cancel the current one NOW, receiving some refund money and buying the new one. Of course giving him $2,400 and a fat commission right now. Kind of like 'Are you going to buy a car today?'.

    A better approach probably would be to keep the $2,400 in my pocket, find a good independent mechanic for any future work. If future repairs start to approach $2,000, dump the car quickly. This would still be a money-saving option.
  • aconesacones Posts: 21
    Bolivar, are you familiar with any of these other 3rd party warranty offers we see on TV? After completing a good amount of work on my '01 DeVille I think I might need to look into paying for a good warranty coverage myself. SFC A.C
  • lecuslecus Posts: 2
    I am trying to contact ACONES regarding 2005 Deville rear drivers side window regulator replacement and/or replacement of the motor. This was discussed previously in msg. 2607 dated Apr 28, 2012, to Boliver. Instructions were offered if one would provide their good email address. I would like to request instructions be emailed to Kay45@flightline.com, attn: Lecus. Thank you very much for your help.
  • kitcloudkick3rkitcloudkick3r Posts: 15
    edited May 2012
    Bolivar,
    Just an FYI i had a 99 with the same stupid window regulator issues.. I found a parts salvage site online and purchased the window motors, keeping the old regulators, drilled out the rivets and replaced the motors with motors from a Toyota Camry.. they fit right in.. and still worked after the car caught fire.. So i know its gotta be a Government Motors issue..
    Aside from your windows issues..

    Here is the list of my issues with mine before it caught fire..
    1. Replaced the power window motors after the dealer gave me an estimate of 1K dollars a window.. HA! No wonder they went out of business!
    2. Replaced the exhaust with Flowmasters since the stock exhaust rotted off.
    3. Replaced the thermostat twice (Yes i used the Tablets of conditioner)
    4. Replaced the brakes
    5. Replaced the torque converter
    6. Replaced the Tires with Vogue Tyre's
    7. Replaced the power seat motor and had the seat refilled with foam due to leaning
    8. Replaced the wheel bearings
    9. Replaced the Ball Joint bushings

    At 71K miles the Car started to over heat. I was told that the head gasket was fine.. I never saw water in the Oil, or coolant.

    10. I replaced the Radiator with a High Flow Dragster triple core aluminum radiator.
    11. I added to the stock Fan, one that was 3050CFM
    12. I hard wired the second Fan to the ignition switch.
    13. I replaced the stock radio after it broke, and found out i had to rewire the alarm system. YAY for Great idea! Who ever thought this was a good idea should be slapped!
    14. Replaced the head lights due to deterioration in the plastic which caused them to yellow badly.

    After all the steps to make this car a joy, and i loved this car..

    I traded in a 1999 Corolla with 325K miles for this car which had 58K miles on it when i bought it. The corolla had everything, all things worked, no issues EVER with anything in the 325K miles.. (exception of a clutch)

    At 91K miles my Cadillac caught fire on the highway. I was trapped in the middle lane in NYC traffic, it was raining, and the dead of summer.. i had my fan on and watched the temp climb. Without a way to the side of the road i got out of the car.. and watched as the hood charred and the fire melted the plastic components..

    91K miles, not 191K or 291K miles, No at 91K miles my Cadillac Caught FIRE.. I have since replaced it with a Toyota Sienna, which although not nearly as comfortable.. Everything works, and things that break don't have a dealership that costs two arms for part and both legs for service..

    Bolivar,
    If i were you i would sell it, get a Lexus.. They are as such that you will pay it off and drive it another 200K miles before you have to replace a single thing..
  • bolivarbolivar Posts: 2,316
    I've got an extended warranty on the 2005. Each of the 4 motors cost me the $50 deductible on the warranty.

    I've replaced the driver power window motor on a 97 Deville. Just get the door panel off and it's right there. Take 3 bolts out, I think, and replaced it with a Siemens brand motor bought at a parts house.

    I don't know about a rear one. Take the door panel off and look around.

    If I'm replying to the wrong person about the window motor, sorry, but just read about it here.
  • bolivarbolivar Posts: 2,316
    Oh, another repair.

    Right rear shock started leaking oil. I thought it was brake fluid, so it being the shock was a easier problem than a caliper, or whatever.

    I had the dealer look at it when the last window regulator was being installed, and they told me it was a shock. Told me it was $375 for the pair - I don't know if this was just parts or parts and labor.

    This is just the 'regular' air self leveling shocks. Not the ones with electronic controls embedded. I found on Amazon, $61.30, including shipping, for the PAIR, Monroe brand. The upper tube is a little bigger than stock, but it is not hitting on anything, the air nozzle was exactly the same - overall a perfect fit.

    I did the replacement myself. The air line just clips on and off. Top is inside the trunk behind the carpet. Bottom is two bolts. Jacked up the car, got a bottle jack to raise the rear suspension a little so the shock was not 'loaded' and this was about the simplest shock replace I've done. Did one side at a time, didn't even get both wheels off the ground at the same time.

    Shocks are maintenance items, so it was not covered under my extended warranty.
  • bolivarbolivar Posts: 2,316
    This car just continues to break.

    Latest, after all 4 window regulators being replaced in the last 18 months, the left rear window again stopped working.

    I was hoping for a lose connector from the previous repair.

    But this time it was the electronic 'module' in the door. I think the electronics is needed for the auto-down feature on a window.

    Another $50 deductible and it's fixed. Warranty expired last of July. This car is needing to go away after that.
  • hi, bolivar, i also have '05 deville 85K on it. no issues till this month 1)rusty brankeline (rear) rf wheel bearing, oil pan leak, lf axle cover?...tot. to dealer $1,800. have a feeling it is only the beginning, my dealer over NH has a real nice '08 DTS 38k. miles loaded for $24k....what are your thoughts? thanks. Chris in Maine.
  • bolivarbolivar Posts: 2,316
    In general, if you want to stay with a Deville type, I would try to move up a couple more years. Get something still in the 4 years/50000 warranty. About $28,000, hopefully less, maybe even down to $22,000. Then buy a GMPP warranty for 4 or 5 more years a few months before the factory one expires. What you will find are usually rentals or 3 year lease returns. A 'base' Deville/DTS has a lot of stuff on it, but even rentals are now being nicely equipped. It going to cost you about $2,500 or so for a GMPP. So, for around $30,000 (as I said, hopefully less) you will get a 3 year old Deville/DTS and be covered for everything except 'maintenace items and trim) for 4,5, or 6 years, with maybe just a $50/$100 deductible for repairs. And, if you read back thru this topic, our 2005 has had several repairs.

    I'm in Okla, but here is where I bought my GMPP, phone calls and credit card charge.
    Black Pontiac Cadillac, Our 48th Year
    3929 Admiral Peary Highway
    Ebensburg, Pa. 15931
    877-472-9550 Toll Free
    814-472-9550 Local
    814-472-4741 Fax
    allen@gmoutlet.com

    These guys beat the pricing locally by several hundreds of dollars. And it's the same GMPP sold anywhere, your car's VIN is on it and any GM dealership will do the work and you pay a deductible, if you don't buy a $0 deductible. I can extend the GMPP on the 2005, but it will cost a lot, and that's for a $200 deductible. Even though I'm not sure the repairs on our 2005 over the past 4 years have exceeded the price I had to pay, I felt better about owning the Deville. Otherwise owning one scares me.

    I can find the price of the parts put on, via part numbers listed on the work order, but I don't know the labor cost for a warranty repair. Dealer went into the Heat/AC three times. I think they replaced three servo/motors in there and also replaced the dash control unit. I don't remember exactly, but these parts were about $750-1000 or so. Also all 4 window regulars were replaced. Both coil packs, at different times. The front collision/air bag sensor. Maybe something else, don't remember right now.
  • bolivarbolivar Posts: 2,316
    I just have to compare the Cadallics we've owned with the Hondas we've owned. Had a 2002 Accord for about 7 years and 45,000 miles. Put a power lock module on it (under warranty) because it decided to lock itself whenever it wanted to. Have a 2006 Ridgeline truck with about 43,000 miles. It has never been back for a repair.

    I had a 94 Ford Ranger truck that I loved. Owned it from 1997 til about 2005, with about 70,000 miles. It had a few things fail on it, but overall I considered these maintanence, with some things failing because of old age rather that wear and tear. Radiator leaked, front brake rotors warped, radio speakers blew out, Plug wires and plugs, and the strange suspension set up had a large rubber biscuit thing wear and caused squeaks/groans/etc. I repaired all of these myself with parts from local parts places. After reading online about the process, the suspension was not very tough. Just had to get a large socket and box end wrench and a cheater bar to break loose and retighten a couple of nuts that were about 150 and 200 foot-pounds of torque. The coil spring came out without a special tool, and didn't bounce around my garage or off my head.

    Compared to the list of things on the 3 Devilles, these other cars had nothing much fail.
  • My apologies for being so extremely late with this reply, I have not been on here in a while. Not sure if you still need the instructions but I will be forwarding them to your email shortly. AC
  • I am having a problem sending this due to the file size. Once I get this other program downloaded that will send files in excess of 2G I'll get to you. Once again, sorry for the late response.
  • Today I'm going to my local Cadillac dealer to have my 3rd window regulator replaced since March 2012 at a cost of nearly $500.00 each! I purchased this car in August of 2011 so I don't know how many times they have already been replaced. According to all the info i've read and been told, this is a very common problem with Devilles from pre 2000 thru at least 2005. Cadillac is well aware of this issue so I'm perplexed as to why there hasn't been a recall and a fix.

    My issue with this problem is not just about the cost or frequency but rather the Safety issue. This always seems to happen in late evening when i'm nearly 100 miles from home and, it happens without any warning. I'm afraid to go on a trip or even be out late at night for fear I could be attacked, robbed or whatever. This is indeed a very dangerous safety issue. GM has the ability to correct the design flaw of having plastic connected to metal so this does not happen again ever. Please GM, do something before someone gets hurt. (judylee13, nashville, tn, 2005 cadillac deville)
  • Good afternoon judylee13,

    We're sorry that you've had to have these repairs done three times over the course of the year. How did everything go with your dealership this afternoon? If we can look into anything for you, please send us an email at socialmedia@gm.com with more details (including your name and your Edmunds username, phone and address, the last 8 of your VIN and current mileage, and the name of your dealership).

    Sarah, GM Customer Service
  • As mentioned above I like to know what this Color Black Materail is made of and how to treat it care for it to keep it looking like new"? Also goes down on both back doors edges. I been told by the mechnic and fellow I purchased from the 1/4 black roof shell is made of fiberglass, but he also not sure what the material which to me is like materail simular to that of convertable which I don't know what is called or how to keep that like new,
    My black 1/4 top roof is in new like condition, goes with the black leather interior and even leather steering wheel. car loaded with all kinds of features. I just had the car detailed. even them guys not sure what is mated of , just said washed liked rest of car, I want to know if there is anything I should use to care for this section on care to keep like new? purhaps there are some products out there to protect it from sun and weather, I don't want ton see it fade or weather cause lack of using some product. classic car owners with this materal must use some thing to keep like new condition I would think.
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