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Cadillac DeVille



  • walterm3walterm3 Posts: 8
    Please note that the operative word in the service manuals is APPROXIMATE. Whatever it takes to top out the dipstick BUT NOT EXCEED>
  • bolivarbolivar Posts: 2,316
    The engineers that designed the engine and wrote 'the books', or 4 Service Managers?
  • hydra2hydra2 Posts: 114
    The CTSV is a sweet ride. It may sell in such limited volume that the price will be rather steep, even in the used market, if you can find one. Plus you may need to worry about how hard such a high performance car has been driven by the previous owner/leasee. Such a car is worth the risk as long as you check it out and maybe consider an extended warranty. You don't want to even imagine engine or tranny repair costs. You might want to test drive both the regular cts and the ctsv, they both handle well and are fun to drive and the bigger engine in the regular cts is pretty powerful. Between the two it will be the value leader in the used market and there is maybe a better chance that it won't have been abused by its previous owner.

    btw, base deville is rated at 275 hp, but the dts is rated a little higher at 300 hp.
  • bremertongbremertong Posts: 436
    Thanks Hydra2 for the info. you provided on the CTS-V. Your probably right the regular CTS with 255 horsepower is probably a better value and enough power.

    Regarding Deville base and DTS. In my vintage (98) it was Deville base and Concours. I have wondered how much difference the 25 horsepower makes in reality. The records say 0-60 mph - DTS 7.3 seconds and
    7.8 seconds Deville base. The base model actually has 5 lbs more torque than the DTS.
    I think because the base model can carry six and DTS 5 persons. Have not as yet driven a DTS or Concours so I have no direct experience.
    The major difference may be top speed which I think is 112 for base and around 130 for DTS.
    The speed limits around here are 55 for some roads and 60 for others so guess I would rarely need peak power of either model. I do however like the large and powerful engine for passing on two lane roads and merging into main highways.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,046
    engineers that designed the engine and wrote 'the books', or 4 Service Managers?

    I'll vote for the 4 service managers. They work with the actual engines in the field and know what's happening.
  • bremertongbremertong Posts: 436
    I currently own 1998 Deville. As most Deville owners know the Northstar engines do burn oil.
    When I first owned the car I was concerned about
    running on too little oil. I was assured by my dealer that the car could probably run ok on five quarts. More important than that, the dashboard has a check oil message that is supposed to come on if the oil level is dropping to questionable levels. I generally add about a quart a month but don't worry to much about it and think the Northstar is a fine engine and has taken to much criticism over the oil issue.

    So far as oil change levels, believe they put 8 quarts in my car including the oil filter but have seen the mechanic using the dipstick as he fills.
    He generally fills to the max line.
  • dispencer1dispencer1 Posts: 489
    My 2003 Deville with 34k miles doesn't seem to burn oil between changes. I change oil at 3,000 miles. I know that there were some Northstar engine modifications for the 2002s. Has anyone had experience with oil burning on recent models?
  • bremertongbremertong Posts: 436
    I think most engines burn oil between changes. One way to find out would be to check the dipstick for oil level right after an oil change and than again before having an oil change. If the level has dropped you are burning oil, if the same you are not. I didn't check the oil level the first three months I owned my 98 Deville. When I went in for a change the technician said I was two quarts down. I'm not sure he was right but do know the car was running fine with two quarts down or not, has also continued to run fine for the two and a half years since.
    For a while I checked the oil quite a bit now I will check about once a month and add a quart if down but am probably spending money that may be unnecessary. The Devilles' have a check oil message light that will come on if your at levels that might compromise your engine. I always carry a quart in the trunk with my other emergency supplies just in case. No message light has ever come on.

    It is probably just as important not to overfill
    as it is to allow the oil levels to drop below minimum line. Hope this gives you some ideas, best wishes.
  • dispencer1dispencer1 Posts: 489
    I appreciated the note -I'll check between changes but I always change oil and filter every 3,000 miles
    so if I'm burning oil it probably isn't much.
  • lowscolalowscola Posts: 8
    If you change your own oil, the best way to see how much oil you car has consumed is to refill the empty oil containers with your used oil. You'll know how many quarts you've put in and how many quarts you've taken out. I'm curious to see how much my deville has used since my first oil change.
  • dispencer1dispencer1 Posts: 489
    I wonder if the 2006 Deville will resemble the Sixteen concept car. I hope so. It is lots better looking than the CTS/STS sharp edge design. Actually the STS is a little more rounded than the CTS. I wonder if this edge design will hold up. The new six series BMW coupe is fantastic looking -perhaps that is the wave of the future. Has anybody seen a "spy" photo of the 2006 Deville?
  • dispencer1dispencer1 Posts: 489
    I'll be happy to trade US brochures if anyone with a Canadian 2003 Deville brochure would like to trade. Thanks!
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    is an invitation to be flooded with spam.

    OTOH, if you just go to your profile settings (see link in the upper left corner) and make your email address public, you will allow Town Hall members who are logged in to see it, but it will remain hidden from the spam bots.

    Hope this is helpful.

  • dispencer1dispencer1 Posts: 489
    Thanks, Pat - I deleted it and put it in the profile.
  • dispencer1dispencer1 Posts: 489
    Doesn't anyone have anything to say about his Cadillac?
  • captkevcaptkev Posts: 14
    I must echo dispencer1. I just signed on to view any new postings. Big Surprise, only one new posting on board since I went away; #1430, almost two weeks ago. Thought there would be a few new posts. Well I can add a little repair that I just had done. I am on the road a lot organizing bus tours. A few weeks ago noticed a vibration in right front wheel when making left turns on or off the highway. Turns out that it was a wheel bearing. Peculiar though, because I only have 41700mi on my 2000 DTS. Left front wheel was ok? Checked out fine. But all said and done, I still like my DTS a lot, great handling highway car for all its little annoying faults. Lucky so far with repairs because I have extended warranty for 62000mi. After that I will probably have to take out a mortgage for repairs. Or do they get finer like old wine as they age, less repairs etc, Oh yeah, I wish.
  • verovero Posts: 1
    2001 cadillac dts 70k. turn on key and all systems go, except car does not crank!!! off and on problem. dealer says sorry cant help you till car wont start at all. dealers solution replace everything for horn to starter. BS any answers? VERO
  • dispencer1dispencer1 Posts: 489
    I had the same intermittant problem with my 2001 Malibu except the car cranked, but the fuel pump was inoperative. It was a faulty ignition module (something that apparentely plugs in behind the ignition switch and costs about $175. Labor added another $150. The ignition switch wasn't always reading my key. While the car was cranking, the theft indicator kept blinking. If you turned the key to "on" and left it there for 15 minutes, then turned it to "off" then to "start", the car started right up. Since your car doesn't crank it may not be the same thing, but you might try turning the key to on and leaving it for 15 minutes, then try to start it. It sounds like an ignition problem to me. I'd rule that out before I started replacing lots of other components.
  • bremertongbremertong Posts: 436
    A pin holding my gear shifter to the steering column has recently popped up but not out. I pushed it back in and hit lightly with a rubber mallet. stayed in place several days but has popped up again. If this pin popped out all the way would the gear shifter than be inoperative?
    Would I be able to turn off the engine with out shifting out of drive or what ever gear I was in at the time?

    For others that have owned the 98 Deville (base)
    or similar vintage cars any experience or information you can provide would be helpful.
    I always like to have a good idea of whats going on before I take the car to a repair facility so any information based on other owners will be much appreciated.
  • dispencer1dispencer1 Posts: 489
    A few years ago there seemed to be a lot of postings on this list so what has changed? I rode around the Dallas/Ft. Worth Metroplex in a buddy's 2003 CTS - Cadillac's "best seller". I have a 2001 Malibu which rides better, has a bigger trunk opening, has nicer door panels, has a much better stereo (he doesn't have the Bose), and has a better back seat. I also have a Deville and there is absolutely no comparison - the CTS is a joke. Too bad Cadillac doesn't make a CTS coupe or convertible. I would think that they would be great sellers, but this little cramped 4 door that rides about the same as my '97 Ranger extended cab did is not much of a Cadillac. Just my opinion. Everybody seems to love them for some reason.
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