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Volkswagen Jetta 2005 and earlier



  • chmeeeechmeeee Posts: 327
    Wow, that really sucks. I hope you at least have a rental, since you will have it for the rest of the summer it seems. Think of it this way, when you get your Jetta back, it will be a brand new car all over again on the inside! (just trying to find something positive in the whole situation)
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,080
    (LanceL99) Chmeeee is correct, the 2002 Monsoon was mis-wired thus causing the speakers to be "out of phase". If you know anything about electronics, this means that the BASS is effectivly cancelled out.

    Here is the link to the "Monsoon Fix". It even shows you how to make the 'tools' to remove the head-unit.
  • justinjustin Posts: 1,918
    my car doesn't have the Monsoon, but the factory did neglect to even pull speaker wire to the passenger door side speakers. the first owner of the car never noticed! i took it to the dealer, they looked at it, and just took the dash off, found the wire harness, and pulled it through to the door, and, viola, all set. lovely workmanship and quality testing, huh?
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I know what you mean, thanks. I do have a rental, but with the coverage I have, I have to pay some tax on it as well as 10 or 20% of it (I forget which now), which comes to about $5 a day. One good thing is that State Farm is going to go over my rental limit, since they took so much time to investigate what actually caused the fire. They never did give me a straight answer either. They said it was not started by the car, but they don't know how, whom, or with what.

    I have a Lancer now. I want my car back really badly...
  • dancermandancerman Posts: 220
    Our 2002 Jetta has a Monsoon System. We have never been happy with it. After the first head unit failed, the dealer replaced it. But.... the sound quality has always been poor. It sounds weak and monotone. This is true only for the radio. When you listen to CD's, it's a very nice sound. I have asked about this wiring problem but the dealer says 'never heard anything about that'. Does my description seem to fit the wiring problem symptoms? I think I will try to pull out the head unit and at least look at the wires. This car is driven mostly by my wife so I don't want to mess it up. But short of looking at the wires myself, I don't think I'll get the dealer to fix it. Did ALL 2002 Jetta have this problem?
  • chmeeeechmeeee Posts: 327
    Yes, as far as I know, all Monsoon equipped cars did have the problem. You would think when they replaced your head unit it would have solved the problem however, but I would definitely suggest taking it apart to check it out. Follow that link that bpeebles gave earlier, it has a full how-to with pictures.
  • dancermandancerman Posts: 220
    Well... the way I understand this Monsoon problem, replacing the head unit doesn't fix the wiring. Right? The dealer would have had to swap the wires and I am fairly certain they didn't do that. I will check it out. The link is pretty straight-forward.
  • chmeeeechmeeee Posts: 327
    Good point, I was forgetting that all the wires go into a wiring harness, not directly into the HU. Good luck, let me know how it goes. I still havent gotten around to fixing it on my car.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I went to see the car today after it's been cleaned out. Only the dash and the 4 door panels are in it still. No headliner, no seats, no carpeting, nothing. It STILL smells like smoke inside. Ugh.

    Day 33, parts still on order. Estimates still to be done. This is going to be a wonderful summer, eh?
  • kupper25kupper25 Posts: 30
    I would appreciate some quick help from the collective knowledge of the posters on this board.

    I am seeing some difference in front tire wear on my daughter's 2001 2.0 Jetta. The front passenger side tire seems to be wearing somewhat faster than the front driver's side tire. Brings up the question: is the front passenger tire the 'drive tire" on this vehicle, therefore subject to some additional wear? She is usually the only person in the car so it is not heavily loaded.

    Also, any comments about using forward or backward cross when doing the tire rotations on this vehicle? (She has the OEM Michelins on it which do not appear to be uni-directional.)

  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,479
    In regards to tire rotation, the passenger or right side front has been known to wear faster.(you guessed the reason why) You can forestall the inevitable wear (or get the maximum wear, however you chose to say it) with a few options. (the more you do the better the less you do, worse, etc. If you don't care, don't worry be happy, its only money anyway :)) 1. accelerate slower 2. brake slower 3. corner slower 4. rotate spare tire into the front passenger side 5. Use a 6 tire rotation (use spare and buy one more tire) 6.Keep alignment correct 7. Keep balance correct. 8. Cross rotate tires. 9 Keep tire pressure at the highest psi, consistent with not being "over inflated" 10. Stay away from rough roads and or potholes and debris in the streets.

    Some background would help to visualize. Most VW OEM tires come with 360 rating and 11/32 tread. Legally bald is defined as 2/32 of tread left, so the usable tread is 9/32. The tires usually have a reasonable wear factor or "warranty" of 50k so per 32nd in of wear the mileage is 5,555.55 miles. So the concept is to put the tire with the most tread left on the front and also on the side with the most wear. (passenger or right front side)

    First of all, the weight distribution is 60 front/40 rear When the vehicle is under hard acceleration,hard braking and/or hard cornering, the ratio shifts even more to the front (70-80 front/30/20 rear) and side to side (depends if you tend to do more left or right handed turns).

    The technical data (both CD Bentley's service manual and VW owners manual calls for front to rear and rear to front rotation. It also calls for 10,000 mile rotation. The long term result is that only one or two tires at most need replacing, ie giving the appearance of saving money.

    Cross rotation is covered by a tire seller It is worth understanding the information.

    How do you tell over inflation? After a good operational run put your precise heat sensing hand across the tread. If it is warm the entire width of the tire that would tend to be the correct range of psi. If it is hotter in the middle that would tend to indicate over inflation. If the inner and outer sides are hotter then that is usually an indication of under inflation. A point of departure would be 35 psi front and 33 psi rear.
  • adg44adg44 Posts: 385
    That is odd that the passenger front tire wore faster. On my GTI and Jetta (both 01 models) the drivers side wore faster - and this was logical because there is always a driver in the car, so a little more weight is on the left.

    The first thing I would do is check the alignment. The front right could be out of spec and that could be causing your problem right there.

    Only rotate the tires front to rear. Remember 92 lbs/ft of torque for the wheel bolts.

    - Anthony
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,080
    With modern radial-ply tires, there is no reason to keep them spinning the same direction. (unless they are MARKED as being directional)

    When radial-ply tires first came out, the steel belts had a tendancy to come thru the sidewalls. (picture a wire brush sticking out of the tire all around the circumfrence of the sidewall) That was over 20 years ago!

    Pick any rotation pattern you wish to use and make sure your mechanic is aware of the pattern you are using. (Otherwise the tires may end up back on the same corner of the vehicle after 2 rotations.) This way, all tires spend time on ALL 4 corners of the vehicle.

    I keep a small hand drawn picture of the rotation pattern I am using in the glove compartment and use that pattern every time. All 4 tires wear very evenly.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    On the vehicles with 17" tires, you can ONLY do front to rear as they are directional tires. I had someone at a tire shop tell me that when I had my 17s on.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,080
    That is what I said in my second sentence... "With modern radial-ply tires, there is no reason to keep them spinning the same direction. (unless they are MARKED as being directional)"

    Perhaps I was not clear on what "MARKED as being directional" means....

    Directional tires will be clearly marked on the sidewall with an arrow pointing in the direction of rotation. Obviously, this type of tire needs to spin in the manufactures intended rotation direciton.

    If there is no marking on the sidewall for rotation, then make sure the tires get some miles on all 4 corners of the vehicle.
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    as of today i no longer drive a jetta. i traded it in for a new accord ex v6 sedan. My insurance went up a whopping $0.50/month. i'll let you know if i start to miss my VW, but i don't think i will.

    maybe my next car will be the next generation jetta.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    What'd they give ya, if ya don't mind me asking? I'm 6 weeks into trying to sell mine and it's still sitting around. :(
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    blueguy, have you asked about pricing in the Real-World Trade-In Values discussion on the Smart Shopper board?

    If not, it's worth a try.

    Let us know what happens.
  • justinjustin Posts: 1,918
    you trade as much as i do! you should have never got a VW - they just aren't in your blood. congrats on the new Accord. did you notice that Honda pretty much stole the BMW 3 and 5 series side mirrors and put them on the Accord sedan?

    are you worried about the odd shape of the radio? what if you ever want to put in an aftermarket unit? how would that work?
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    2002 Red/Beige GLS 1.8t 5 speed auto tiptronic with the cold weather package, monsoon sound, alloys and moon roof. just over 17k miles. trade-in was $14,800. the car was considered in excellent condition. kelley blue book had it listed at $14,025, so i was pleasantly surprised and glad i kept my mouth shut about what i was looking for. take into consideration the tax savings ($814) with the trade-in i don't feel too bad about what i got.

    the accord will be the first car i ever had with leather seats, so i hope you're right that they last forever.
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