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We also have the automatic; a '99 9-3 with a sunroof. It is not slow but you do not get wheelspinning acceleration off the line. You get very, very rapid acceleration in the mid-range, where you'll find the car faster than most. This is a solid-feeling, safe, quiet dream car on the open road and has a very high top end.
There is constant debate at saabnet.com between the SE, which is a 205 hp car and the base, which runs 185 hp. Be aware that hp means squat to Saabers. It's torque that means all and Saab has a long, wide band in which the torque is very strong. With an automatic, you take a hit on usable torque which makes the standard a slightly faster car.
There is a pronounced difference in acceleration between using premium fuel and regular and the Saab will keep its power high up into the mountains while other cars wheeze.
The A is a Japanse automatic and is very, very reliable and smooth. It has two buttons which change performance: "S" which is a sport mode holding the tranny in a lower gear, longer and "W" which starts your car in snow and ice in 3rd gear. Works great!
Our Saab has been very reliable. One fix-up on warranty. The heater control - a common fault in the 99s. We haven't needed to align or balance the wheels in 30K miles.
You can expect high 30s mileage with mostly highway driving.
Cap cost reduction $3000
Money factor: 0.00038 (approximately 0.9% APR interest rate)
If you buy the car thru SAAB financing, your interest rate is 5.9% which makes buying unattractive. The way the promotion on lease is structured is like "pay almost no interest plus getting a $3000 reduction". I already signed an intent to lease, hopefully I can sell my Acura CL quick to move on to SAAB.
for a 2000 9.5 2.3t Sedan with 8'500M,
standard options (leather, auto, sunroof).
Is that a good deal??
To get a better fix on it, try asking the same question at Saabnet.com, where there is a tight Saab community, active since 1988, and one of the best auto sites anywhere.
"The Angel Fire Ski Resport in New Mexico is 2,620 metres above sea level. On the airport runway there, ranged against a Saab in a 0-60 (0-103kph) test were its two major competitors, the Volvo V70R and the BMW 540iT. The thin, high-altitude atmoshpere can dramatically reduce performance but, with all three cars driven by independent racing-school instructors, the Saab 9-5 Aero Wagon overturned predictions based on manufacturer's published figures and surged home in first place.
This was a stunning victory for the 9-5 Aero Wagon, whose 2.4 litre engine generates 258 foot pounds of torque from 1,900 to 3,800 rpm, and whose turbocharger takes it to a breathtaking 230 bhp at 5,500 rpm. Even at altitude, where engines-like people-can suffer from the lack of oxygen, Saab's turbo-driven engine demonstrated a clear superiority."
The other day. a BMW X5 had the same sort of difficulty with my 9-3 @ 1100 metres (3539.76 feet) ASL
Both my highlights were cracked after three months of owning the car!!! I was informed by the Saab dealer that I would have to pay the full replacement cost ($800!!!) The car has never been involved in an accident, nor has it ever been vandalized. I went to independent mechanic who suggested there was a defect in the lenses. I contacted Saab customer service and was informed that they rely on their retail facilities to properly diagnose and resolve any concerns with the cars. To make a long story short they are not replacing the lenses. I will not purchase or lease another Saab product.
Common sense will tell you that you DON'T have to be involved in an accident for headlights to get damaged. I've had them broken on my SUV from road debris hitting them. THESE ARE EXPENSIVE to replace on most vehicles these days. It should NOT cost you $800! That's what insurance is for. I'd tell you insurance agent that Saab is claiming the damage is from something hitting them and your independant's claims. Then if they want to pursue it with Saab, they may be able to get it resolved and save you the deductible.
Best of Luck
Drew
Did you get a second opinion from another dealer? A third?
The response from Saab NA is typical, but can you blame them? Did you provide anything to support your claim?
Are there TSB's on this issue? Have you checked other websites? Spoken to other Saab owners? If there are others who have had the same problem then you may have a leg to stand on. But if you're that "one-in-a-million" owner then what can Saab NA do?
Something tells me there's a lot more to this story...........
Drew
But they still shouldn't have cracked. This is one of those products that are designed to withstand impacts. Mfr's test this. I'm sorry but I don't buy the story at face value. Me thinks they are either a mfr defect (which would affect hundreds of other owners and should be a fairly well known problem) or something happened to them, like vandalism.
Well, what do I know, right? Mine lenses are just fine. And they still have the little wiper blades which make for cheap entertainment at stop lights.
I am narrowing down my choices for a sedan.. Can anyone tell me what a fair price is these days for the entry level 9-5 (w manual) Sedan with the premium package ???
Is the 2.3t 4 cylinder enough for a car of this size.. or does anyone find it lacking in terms of smoothness and power ???
Thanks....
These are just my opinions. I did research this for months, and I am satisfied with our decision. Good luck on yours!
I, too, was delighted that hardly anyone in Los Angeles drove a 9-5. I love that all those BMW clones were drooling over the uniqueness of my 9-5. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it), they have become more and more popular. And now I seem to see them everywhere I go. Alas. I'll see one go by and say, "but, but...eh... wait... that's supposed to be my car...". Oh well, I guess you can't keep a secret this good forever.
My only point is that it isn't a given conclusion that there is a defect. Surely your not suggesting that they should be able to withstand anything hitting them?
But this reminds me of a TRUE and Hilarious story:
A British company took in a special Cannon from the U.S. that is used to test Aircraft Windshields for impact resistance. They wanted to test a windshield design for a new Bullit Train. The cannon launches the dead carcus of a Turkey at the Windshield. Three attempts destroyed Three windshields. They asked for assistance on the test, the U.S. company asked for and recieve all the test data and sent back a new instructive for the next test: THAW OUT TURKEY CARCUS BEFORE FIRING IT AT THE WINDSHIELD.
Drew
I did get a chance to test drive the base version at the dealer yesterday with the stick. I did find the power to be o.k. but nothing earth shattering, but it seemed adequate.. What was impressive was the smoothness of the turbo off the line... I didn't experience any of the lag I've heard about with a turbo, which I guess is more of an issue with the Aero, etc
The ride was ideal in my mind.. a great compromise between sportiness and comfort.. and the interior was very spacious... I am also considering the Volvo. s60 base, among others.. and had a chance to test one of those as well.. unfortunately they only had the base with auto tranny.. which really seemed sluggish with the automatic, but its really not a fair comparison.. The Volvo did seem to have a slightly tighter ride, and was perhaps quieter.. but not as roomy.. especially in the back where it's not even close in terms of headroom and leg room...
In any case.. getting back to the price... any comments about what I should expect to pack compared to the MSRP ??? I really wasn't planning on spending as much as the 9-5 costs... and its hard justifying that amount of money for a 4 cylinder.. but the car is very endearing in terms of its uniqueness/personality !!
I cruised a few pages of the 9-5 BB at Saabnet and didn't see a single reference to busted headlights. But the BB is 21 pages long and I don't care enough to read them all. INMP.
I was a tad miffed at the tone of the post but, hey, everyone's entitled to their opinion. Even if its unreasonable and off-base.
Whatever.............
Whatever.....<<
Are you referring to my tone? I'm confused if you are. I didn't think I had a Tone.
All I was saying is that I'd be surprised if it were discovered to be a defect and not the result of debris causing the damage. I'm only stating my opinions. I have no axe to grind.
drew
Sorry, I should've been more clear to you. Guess I should have referenced a post number instead of saying, "....tone of the post".
My bad. I'll be more specific next time.
- - Bret - -
Watching a 4 lb. chicken hit an aircraft window at 360 kts. is quite a show. Not much left after the test.
By the way, I have a 2000 9-5 Aero sedan and am more than a bit happy with it, love the power and torque.
I think your plan is doable. I don't know current residuals and money factors but my payment is right there but I put down less and took 12K/yr. instead of 15K/yr. The higher miles will bump your payment but the bigger down will offset it. Get the car as close to invoice as possible and pay as much of the upfronts as you can afford.
Good luck!!
I am not going to pick the car up until later in the week and am wondering about a few dealer options... please feel free to comment:
1) Mud flaps.. I am thinking about them in terms of keeping the salt & dirt from damaging the rear fender...
2) 6 DC trunk mounted changer.. where exactly in the trunk do they mount it.. does it get in the way at all, and how much should I pay ?
3) add on child/booster seat.. can this be used in the left or right seating position ?? the catalog shows it in the center
4) trunk liner.. is it worth the money or should I look for an after market version ??
Drive Safe,
Joe
thanks for the feedback.... What makes it really appealing to me is the headrest design..Looks like it should nicely support their heads when they fall asleep
I have tons of connections in that business so one would assume if a deal could be had, I could get it. Well, I've hit every brick wall in trying to get those 17" BBS RKII two-piece wheels. The going rate is about $500/wheel. Then add $150-225/tire. So you're looking at $2600 minimum for the set. I haven't come close to the $1650. If you want them, get them!
Just a gimmick? or are there new incentives? Sunday here, so no way to check.
I'll send off an email to Paul Harvey.
drew
Performance tires like these are not good in slick conditions. This is not something restricted to the Aero, it's true on any car using this type of tire. If any dealer claims otherwise, they are being dishonest with you.
Drew
Regarding ride quality, all the above is true. It's a definite trade off between looks, handling and steering response, and ride quality. Shorter sidewall=rougher ride. But you see plenty of cars with 17" and bigger wheels on them so how bad can it be? I've had custom wheels and tires on my cars for 10+ years and have learned to live with it. It depends on your priorities and preferences - smoothness and refinement or fashion and performance. To each his own on this topic.
Thanks,
Erinb1
I certainly can't speak from first hand experience.. but I just purchased a new 9-5 myself and have been reading anything I could find out at the various web sites, including Edmund's own archived 9-5 town hall discussions.. From what I've read, most folks usually give glowing reviews when discussing the 2000 and 2001 models... and when I did come across a bad review or two, it was typically associated with the 1999 owner... Most of the complaints I've read had to do with a variety of minor electrical problems, and others involved some ECU, gas tank(thumping noise?), and wind/road noise problems...
It's always a tough decision .. hopefully some of the participants here can give you some useful input...
1) What type of oil can I use ? The dealer mentioned that the 9-5 comes with a "semi-synthetic" oil.... So can I go to a full synthetic and is there any harm switching back and forth in the future between the semi and full synthetic blends ?
2) What are the recommended change intervals for the 2001 9-5 ? ... I imagine I will probably end up changing the oil every 3 or 5k miles, depending on if I use a full or semi synth... but how long do I wait for that first oil change ?
thanks...
RE: New Saab Buyer - I can't really speak to the expectations of a '99 with 50,000 miles on it but I do have a '99 with almost 30K. Ours was manufactured in '98. Thus far we have had no problems. The ECU was replaced under a recall but we never experienced any problem associated with it. Never had the Gas Tank think you referrred to either. All said, it's been 30,000 trouble free miles so far. We won't hit 50K before the lease it up.
Best of luck
drew
Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks for your help.
http://www.intellichoice.com/lease/leasingDetail.cfm?vehicle_nmb=8368
It's for the base 9-5 sedan. There's a similar deal on the base wagon.
analysis because there is about a $4K Saab lease subsidy which impacts the cap cost basis.
In fact, I found the intellichoice analysis somewhat suspect. I would like to see details and assumptions of their analysis. Not that they are totally wrong, but want to get a better sense of the math since I tried to duplicate the analysis but couldn't - and I've even had a PhD (Finance from Ivy Leauge school) look at the anlysis - on surface it looked interesting but he couldn't figure it out....
At any rate - at the end of the day the key factors I looked at are:
1) Money factor
2) Residual $$, not percent -- percent is irrelevant since MSRP is a bogus number - few leases are ever based on the MSRP.
I plan to buy the car and by having a lease with an effective interest rate of 1% - it's like spreading a down payment interest free (practically) for 3 years. I'll take the 20K down payment and instead invest it in something else!
ALSO - I received a $1K rebate from Saab - a certificate via mail - call SAAB USA and tell them you received the certificate but lost it! I applied that to the $2K cap cost reduction! That was the kicker that made me get the saab vs. v70 2.4T
The factory systems that are designed for "Blue" lights are the only ones that offer any benefit. They are not the same as what you purchased.
Drew
Bottom line - if you want better light - then you need to spend $2K for the HID system. Otherwise you're wasting your money.
Here's what you Aero owner's should know, the OEM Pilots on the 2000 Aero are not the new current tread pattern on the Pilot Sport. My replacement had to be shipped from Micheline distributuion Ctr. in Atlanta. I'm driving on another brand loaner from the dealer till my tire arrives.
Front wheel drive and low profile 17" tires what ever the brand are an invition for expensive trouble in the North East.
I just receive a direct mailer for a $6000 rebate from Saab USA to the dealer, not directly to me. However, this can't be used on a lease, and can't be combined with any other offer like the 5.9% financing. It might be better for me to negotiate the purchase price of a 9-5/4cyl (MSRP just over $38K w/prrem pkg, metallic paint & heated seats; I figure $36K is reasonable), deduct the $6000 rebate and my $6500 trade-in, and finance around $25K (inc. tax, etc.) for 48 mo. and keep the car for 5 years total.