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Saab 9-5 Sedan

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  • jwolljwoll Posts: 2
    Just went out to admire my brand new Aero in freezing temps and noticed condensation in both headlights. Any reason for concern?
  • bretfrazbretfraz Posts: 2,021
    Ya may want to read the contract or call SFSC just to make sure they won't balk when the car is returned with mismatching tires. Some leasing companies don't like that.

    A number of 9-5 owners have had good luck with the Yokohama Avid V4 as they're good quality and affordable.
  • In reading "
    #1194 of 1203 How's the reliability in '99 9-5 SE V6s? by bszeto", where in Canada, or the USA, does one find a clean used 9-5? I'm looking for the V6 Turbo and there seems to be few of them as mentioned in the message shown above. I'm looking west of the Rockies on either side of the border.
  • There is an independant local dealer with 2 1999 9-5's. One is an SE with 35k miles and the other is the base with the 2.3T with 28k miles and both are listed on the internet for $18k. I drove by after hours and the SE is nice, nice, nice. I have been trying to educate myself here and at saabnet. Is a TSB a recall in which the Saab dealer is required to fix. I looked at the TSB guide here on Edmunds and am wondering what these mean. I have heard about the ECU TSB, but i don't understand how and what I should do regarding it.
  • dskidski Posts: 414
    You mentioned that 2 of the tires are in almost new condition. If this is the case, just purchase 2 mxv4's. If all 4 tires are a brand and model match, you shouldnt have any problems returning to the lease company.

    You could also look into replacing all 4 with something like Bridgstone 950's. I did that with my last 9-5 and loved the tires. I'm not sure if 4 950's would be cheaper than 2 mxv4's but worth a look I'd say.

    Good Luck
    Drew
  • does the 99 9-5 model come with a limited slip differential?
  • aggie76aggie76 Posts: 265
    Anyone out there, besides me, wondering if its worth the extra cash to move "up" to 9-5 vs 9-3? Space, options, etc. seem very similar; at least when other two 9-3 models arrive in '03.

    I haven't made final car decision to replace my current one but this lack of contrast seems apparent to me.
  • rob999rob999 Posts: 233
    If the cars are not at a Saab dealer, get the VIN's and take to a Saab service department. They should be able to look up all the service history for the car. Especially important on the 1999 models, as this had a number of electronics recalls.
  • rob999rob999 Posts: 233
    There's some very significant discounts on the 9-5 right now, so the difference in price may not be that significant.

    The 9-5 will be slightly bigger, the ride is more refined and if you go with the Aero you'll have way more POWER!

    I've been driving a 9-5 Linear for about a year and totally enjoy the car. I went to look at the new 9-3s. I would still go with the 9-5.
  • Does the ignition problem only exist on the 4 cyclinder? I am looking at a low mileage SE. Also is the blue smoke issue only on the 4 cylinder. What happens if you don't replace the turbo when there is a blue smoke issue at startup?
  • rob999rob999 Posts: 233
    My sister drives a 2000 SE w/ V6 and one of her DI cassettes failed, too. If you read thru the posts on saabnet.com, you'll see more references to failures in the 4 cyl models, but that could very well be due to the fact that the 4 cyl engines are much more common.
  • hintzhintz Posts: 53
    What type of discounts are being offered on the 9-5 besides the low apr? I was able to find that information about 2weeks ago but cant remember where it was posted the dealer cash? thanks in advance
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    Yeah, I was looking at it on Edmunds, and then it disappeared.
    Dealer cash ranged from 3500 on Aero wagon to 5200 on Linear sedan.
    If you go to www.carsdirect.com, you'll see that their price references rebates that expire on 12/2 - but are not quantified in $$$... that's all I know. I wonder why Edmunds would pull that rebate info... GM was unhappy? Same thing on '02 Mazda Millenia - there was first $4K rebate going on, then 5K. They never showed it, and their TMV for Millenia is completely off-base (as in way too high). I think it is the same in 9-5 case.
    Talking about misinformation!

    Tomek
  • rob999rob999 Posts: 233
    Thanks for the link, grumb. Do the Linear discounts carry over to the Aero? I've heard (on various other BB postings) there are similar discounts for the Aero but have never seen an 'official' document or reference.
  • bretfrazbretfraz Posts: 2,021
    Do the Linear discounts carry over to the Aero?

    No. Don't know why anyone would think that. GM documents don't say that.

    That's not to say it's never been offered or won't be. Just that it isn't now.
  • hintzhintz Posts: 53
    2002 aero w/ auto/metallic/visibility pkg msrp of 41600.00 the offered 35k. I offered them 32K. They declined, I walked. Was this a good deal or better that I walked? Help!
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    It seemed fair. Carsdirect .com shows $35,828 for this configuration (with a rebate until 12/2).
    Oh, but it is 2002 - just noticed. Yeah, I'd try 33 - 33.5. Good luck.
  • bretfrazbretfraz Posts: 2,021
    By my calculations you had maybe another $1000 to play with from $35K. $32K was too low and I would have let you walk too.

    If you want the car try $34K but don't expect to buy it much lower than that.

    If you are a current SAAB owner there's also a $500 loyalty cash bonus too.

    $35K is a reasonable price for everyone involved.
  • I just got the 9-5 brochure and under the Turbocharged Engines section for the Aero, it said with the manual transmission, you get an additional overboost function with no less than 272lb.ft. available for up to 20 seconds. Anybody know what it means? Is it like a button that you push or you just keep flooring the car for the power?
  • bretfrazbretfraz Posts: 2,021
    Is computer controlled. No manual intervention. It ain't the Mach V or anything ;)

    Only found on manual tranny models as the auto tranny cannot handle the added torque.
    http://www.saabnet.com/tsn/models/2002/pr6.html
  • I'm new to SAAB. Do you know when the next model change for the 9-5 will be? I sat in the new 9-3 and 9-5 yesterday. The interior of 9-3 impresses me. I think it's better than the Audi/VW interior. Definitely better than 3-series. It's hard to decide if I should go for the extra power in the Aeros or the interior of the 9-3.
  • bretfrazbretfraz Posts: 2,021
    Hard to say right now. It really depends on what global platform a new 9-5 will be built on. There's some speculation out there but no commitment, AFAIK. Market forces will dictate some of these decisions (a new 9-5 will need an AWD version and I've even heard a new V8 could be developed for it). I spoke to some SAAB officials at SEMA and they weren't too informative; prolly cuz they didn't know either.

    The current 9-5 went thru a massive overhaul in 2002 so don't expect too many changes until an all new car comes out.

    One big thing to consider is interior and trunk room. I like the new 9-3 but it is a smaller car than the 9-5. The 9-5 may look & feel small but it is very roomy, even for big folks (I'm 6' 4"). The hatchback is no more in the 9-3 and there is no wagon version like there is on a 9-5. Two rather different cars, the 9-5 & 9-3.

    Hope this helps.
  • I recall someone made an offer to buy an Aero for 32,000, but the salesman refused. Here is one I just saw on ebay for 32.9k


    Better hurry


    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1873170349&category=31867

  • rob999rob999 Posts: 233
    I've had good experience with the dealership (BRI Saab - OkC, OK) that's offering that Aero at $32.9k. They've been around for a while. I buy all my parts/accessories from them for my 9-5 wagon. They offer a standard 20% off list on Saab parts. (800) 749-1806

    I have no affiliation with them whatsoever, I am just a satisfied customer.
  • lazuralazura Posts: 43
    Based on my calculations, you should be able to get an Aero for around $32K.

    Invoice - $37157
    Dealer Cash Discount - less $4000
    Lease Discount - less $1000
    New invoice - $32157

    Based on the above, I don't see why a Saab dealer would not take about $32500 for an Aero, especially since Saab is in such bad trouble financially. Also, Saab has a 2% holdback which contributes more profit for them. I'm thinking of offering $32500 for a 2003 Aero to my dealer and leasing, considering the money factor is .00046 and the residual is 49%. Has anyone else had any luck with this tactic?
  • bretfrazbretfraz Posts: 2,021
    The only dealer cash I am aware of is on the Linear models only. Where do you find info about dealer cash on the Aero?

    Same question on "lease discounts". What is that exactly?

    And finally, exactly which Aero has an invoice of $37157?

    Oh BTW, just because SAAB Corporate is hurting financially, do not expect the dealers to just rool over and hand you a $5000 under invoice deal. If you can make it work, great. But at least post all pertinent details of your negotiations so we all can figure out how to do this.
  • beer47beer47 Posts: 185
    In Sunday's NY Times @ North Jersy Dealer. Nicely equipped, 3000 demo miles, $26,500 or so was the price. Sounds like a great deal for someone. The timing is wrong for me. 4 cyl motor.
  • lazuralazura Posts: 43
    bretfraz,
    CarsDirect has the Aero invoice at $37157, without any options. Also, this same site has the Aero purchase price LESS than invoice at $35405. It looks like CarsDirect took $4000 off MSRP ($39275), which leads me to believe that Saab is offering dealer incentives of $4000. Also, the $1000 lease discount comes directly off the cap. cost only if you lease. This amount came from the leasing board. I am considering a Saab for my next purchase, but only if I can get all these discounts. The Saab 9-5 Aero is a nice vehicle, but it is in no way comparable to a BMW, MB or Lexus in the 40K range. A 9-5 Aero for around 34K to 35K is a much better price point for this vehicle.
  • bretfrazbretfraz Posts: 2,021
    Based on what I've found at places like GM Family Savings the only 9-5 incentive is on the Linear model. I rarely hear of any factory incentives on the Aero and there does not appear to be one on now. So my sources tell me CarsDirect is wrong.

    I've never heard of $1000 off the top for a lease until I read your post. I'll keep digging but so far no official or semi-official confirmation is available.

    A "no options" Aero might be tough to find. There aren't too many options to begin with but a 5 speed Aero with nothing on it is a rare bird from what I can tell. Finding that will take a nationwide search.

    Lastly, Road & Track did a comparo of 11 sport sedans over the summer. The 9-5 Aero finished fourth but I don't know why. The editors did not have one bad thing to say about the car. Well, I think they criticized it for not offering a CD changer. The IS300 finished in 3rd but received several adverse comments. The C280 finished towards the back of the pack.

    All three of those cars you mentioned will offer buyers the pleasure of near MSRP purchases along with the enjoyment of full market price interest rates. Happy full-price paying!!
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