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Saab 9-5 Sedan

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  • bhrobertsbhroberts Posts: 13
    I just took delivery on an Aero with M/T. I can't get comfortable in the soft, bolstered seats. They don't go down low enough either. Will the dealer be able to lower the seats more than I get it to go? Will I be able to switch them out for firmer, manually adjustable seats?
  • bhrobertsbhroberts Posts: 13
    The 0-60 on the 9-5 Aero M/T is 6.7 but I can't remember where I read that. I paid $34.5K for a car that listed for $42 (rounded up). I like it alot except for seats (see above). If I can't get the seating position comfortable for me I may have to put it back on the market and take the hit :( I'm going to the dealer on Monday and see if they can help me. If you go and test drive one and are satisfied with seats and everything else you may be able to get a great deal on my slightly used Steel gray with M/T. Haven't used up the first tank of gas, yet. Let me know. You're in Indiana, I'm in Pittsburgh. Not too far away?
  • oldmanoldman Posts: 35
    That is not out of the question. But I was thinking of the dark blue or the dark coffee colored paint with beige interior. I think the AERO seat upgrades are included in the basic package, no? So far I haven't had the time to get over to my dealer and drive the AERO. Certainly the ARC seems comfortable, but I suspect the AERO seats are different. Let's hope you can resolve the problem and keep the car. I would also say that everyone says the AERO is a fast car. But the 0-60 you mentioned is, not to be critical, pedestrian. Perhaps they seem "fast" in highway passing modes, or just because of most people being familiar with econobox powerplants by comparison. The Volvo S60R purports to be faster, and has 300hp to back it up. But I like Saab 9-5 styling very much.
  • cstowecstowe Posts: 96
    My local SAAB dealer has three 2003 9-5s that did not sell new and he has now moved them over to the "used" lot...they each have about 300 miles on them. All are Linear with the automatic as the only option selected. I was shopping for a used 9-5 and wanted the arc or aero becasue of the horsepower, vent seats, and all the other goodies but this is all they have.

    He is asking 29,000...what do you think board? With 4500 cash incentive on the new ones (which I could option the way I want) I would think he would need to come down much more than that.
  • How about the dealer starts with a real world figure, like the value of a year old car that when new went OTD for 29K?

    IMHO, I've never seen "left over" or "demo" type pricing that would make sense to an Edmunds devotee whose beginning offer should always be at dealer invoice. I think that typically the end of year leftover sales are a suckers game if one is a well prepared buyer.
  • buddhabmanbuddhabman Posts: 252
    Congrats on your new Aero. Sorry you think the seats are too soft. I don't notice that, my seat adjustment are great for me. The memory setting work fine for us. Have you tried adjusting the lower portion tilting it back and up. A question on why you would want the seats lower, maybe you are very tall. I read that 0-60 is 6.7 secs. The 60-120 time is what is impressive.
  • paulr11paulr11 Posts: 9
    After 101k miles with my '99 Saab 9-5 4 cylinder automatic along with thousands of dollars of repairs, endless trips to the shop, total unreliability, incompetent dealers, unhelpful and user hostile Saab customer service I am free at last. I now have a 2004 Toyota Camry. I have had Camry's in the past and the Saab was a major mistake. It was noisy, did not handle well and the reputed performance features were not needed for normal and sane driving. But worst of all the car was NOT reliable and subject to continuous mechanical breakdowns. If I had an enemy who I really detested I would sell him the car at a low price and then gloat. My advice to anyone that will listen; Do Not Buy or Lease A Saab. You will be sorry.
  • bhrobertsbhroberts Posts: 13
    I'm getting used to the seats. They aren't the ventilated ones, btw. There's a lumbar support that I put at it's most extreme position which moved my thighs further over the seat edge. This feels better for me and I'm begining to not think about the seating while I'm driving. I'm finally starting to enjoy my new car. It has a very rich feel to it, but with the manual and 250hp/256tq it's fun to zoom around in, too. Handles great. People make too much about the fwd vs rwd vs awd with respect to handling. I don't notice the torque steer.

    I think 29K is just a bit too much for a 2003 new Linear. I just bought a well optioned 2004 Aero for $34.5K (List - $7500). At $27K the Linear might be okay, though. That's about the price of an Acura TSX. The Linear is surely nicer.

    I passed up a 2003 M/T Linear with 46K miles for $24K. I would have bought it at $22k, I think. Never got to make the offer, though.
  • buddhabmanbuddhabman Posts: 252
    Congrats on your new Camry.

    Nice Car - Booring!! ;-)

    Too bad about your old Saab. I read that the ones prior to 2001 can be a problem. 2003+ are better I hope, so far so good, no problems.

    When I see you on the highway I will try not to blow by you too fast. ;-0
  • paulr11paulr11 Posts: 9
    Thank you for your best wishes with my new Toyota. After my adventures with the Saab "boring" is exactly what I want. No more exciting trips to have it fixed every other week plus the scheduled maintainence checks. No more exciting diagnostic hunts to find out what broke this time. No more exciting feeled to see if the car will start and actually run. Boring reliability is something I can get used to.

    By the way why do most Saab owners usually talk about how fast the car can go to the virtual exclusion of anything else. I could offer some reasons and opinions but I would like to hear what others have to say about this.

    Thanks again for you best wishes.
  • buddhabmanbuddhabman Posts: 252
    by paulr11 - 'By the way why do most Saab owners usually talk about how fast the car can go to the virtual exclusion of anything else. I could offer some reasons and opinions but I would like to hear what others have to say about this."

    I am new to the Saab following so I can't speak for the past. I am a big fan of our 2003 Aero Wagon. We bought it over an Audi Allroad even with the Audi AWD advantage. The Audi has a wonderful interior and great exterior styling, the inside is a class to itself. This made it a tough choice, but the reliability issues loomed large for us. Comparing the Saab to the BMW 3 series & 5 Series wagons and MB C-Class wagons, it's just a better value period. IMHO the handling & interior on those two makes don't justify the significant price hike.

    We bought the Saab for lot's of great reasons: it's features/size/value; it's styling inside and out; it's comfortable seats; it's reputation for safety; it's improving reliability per Consumer Reports; it's strong drivetrain;, it's improved driving dynamics per mag reviews and personal drives, and the bonus was it's good gas mileage. Plus it's just plain fast. ;-)
  • Paulr11, I think that it is bit much that you had to appropriate Dr. King's message when discussing a Saab. But, in any case, why did you keep the damn thing so long? I mean, 100K and 5 years is a long time to hate something.

    Without more specifics, I don't think that a few "thousands" of dollars of repairs would be out of line on a high mileage import. (Brakes, tires, shocks/struts, some a. c. work, an alternator, starter, a couple of batteries, and maybe $1000 in miscellaneous would be par for 100K.) Should you disagree, I encourage you to cruise over to the Mercedes E Class Board and see what a luxury import costs.
  • nelsoncmnelsoncm Posts: 103
    Hey, the bolts on the front wheels of my wagon are starting to rust badly and further inside the wheels too. My car is only 1.5 years old and I'm in So Cal -- it looks like there is some kind of recall related to rust on wheels for the Arc (02), and I'm planning on taking it in next week. Just wondering if anyone else had this problem.
  • oldmanoldman Posts: 35
    Saab probably buys their bolts from the same vendor as Volvo! Mine rusted after 2 years (S60) and Volvo replaced them all under warranty. Just take your Saab to your dealer and ask about it. These are just cheap Cadmium-plated bolts which start rusting as soon as a tire wrench bungs the plating.
  • smksmk Posts: 4
    Okay, just want to see if anyone else has had any problems with the new 9-5 Aero. I bought it less then a month ago (March 2004) and had the engine light go on the day I bought it and now the warning, abs and another safety light went on. I really love the car and the way it drives and am not sure what to do. Also, twice I got locked into my car and the driver side locks would not unlock. The dealership service department has had the car more than I have now. Any ideas or thoughts? Has this happened to anyone? The dealership keeps telling me its connectors, but I don't know anything.
  • oldmanoldman Posts: 35
    Wow. That's a fine howdy doo. I'm just an admirer of the 9-5 model. I wouldn't consider a new one until they offer side curtain bags for rear seats. Hence am considering a used Arc 2002, to ease into one without dropping a lot of cash. Incredible lack of modern safety equipment for a $36,000 car, but a beautiful machine no less. Others have complained about frequent blown tires and bent rims, lack of available snow tires or replacements on the Aero's 17s. Nobody has been complaining about these particular electrical glitches. Hope they can fix it for ya.
  • 2003saab952003saab95 Posts: 1
    I own a 2003 saab 9-5 with 40K on it (I drive a lot). On my recent 40K service, my dealer told me that my front brakes only have 25% of their wear left and that I should consider replacing them at 45K. He told me that he MUST replace the rotors at the same time. All told, I am staring at $500 for the job with the rotors.

    Can someone validate this for me? Must I have the rotors replaced along with the brakes?
    Help!
  • buddhabmanbuddhabman Posts: 252
    They should be able to machine your rotors not replace them. But that still might set you back $500 depending on your dealership labor rate. Check "parts for saabs" website for replacement rotor costs. Then ask your dealer what the OEM rotors cost and what the time and labor rate for the brake job.

    But if you are doing it might as well add Goodridge steel braided brake lines, for firmer feel.

    Good luck.
  • buddhabmanbuddhabman Posts: 252
    Knock on wood, our 2003 Aero wagon is running great.

    Is yours a 2003 or 2004 Aero? Talk to the dealer but also send a note to Saab thru their website. Saab can't afford a reputation for quality problems, particularly on their flagship. They were already fighting a bad quality rep form the cars in the 80's and early 90's. Did the physical lock mechanism work, pulling up on the lock button?.

    Good luck.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,916
    our leased '01 9-5 had to have to front rotors and pads replaced at 30k. when i questioned (politely) why they needed to replace the rotors; after all they didn't vibrate, and the brakes still seemed work just fine, they said the would 'comp' the rotor replacement. i paid the whole labor charge(175) + new pads(102) + tax.
    try to make sure your car is really clean when you bring it in. it's probably not a cut and dry situation, so it may help if your car looks good.
    good luck.
  • czar58czar58 Posts: 6
    I replaced just the pads at 32K. Had a local independent shop do the work. Did not turn rotors or replace. No problems before other than worn out pads and none since.
  • 03oddity03oddity Posts: 60
    I too had to have front brakes replaced at 30K on my leased 2001 9-5 SE V6. Got charged over $400 for pads, rotors and labor. They claimed the rotors did not have enough metal remaining to qualify for machining. They put some ventilated aftermarket rotors on that were warped. Took 11K miles and two more service visits to convince them of that fact. Finally they replaced the rotors again on their dime.

    I'm not a throttle-and-brake driver. First time I've had this happen with any make of car.

    Don't buy Saabs--lease them!!! Even then you may get stuck with a repair bill. Aarrgh. Don't get me started about the headlamps. They blow every 15K like clockwork...
  • ffb13ffb13 Posts: 181
    if you go back you wwill note many complaints on both the above.
    i was told by my dealer in conn. a reputable and honest place where i know the owner,at 48,000 miles that my car was perfect .no need to do anything.

    at 53,000 miles---when the warranty ran out ,guess what the same dealer told me that i needed
    a new exhaust
    new cowl
    and that i had an oil leak.needed a new head gasket.
    when i told thme that i did not see any leaks they said that they are experts and that only they could see it brcause of the place where it was.
    i have all of this in writing.
    to make the story short,they were out to make money.
    now 75,000 miles and all ok.

    same applies to brakes and rotors.

    and the same has happened at mercedes,bmw,and others.........

    in one delaership in vermont i was given the 60,000 mile service for 399 versus 699 elsewhere,but guess what,they did not do the full service.under threat of legal action and taking them to the attny.gen. office they complied and did the entire service 3 days later.
    now they have posted the correct price.but who knows.
    if they can take you they will.

    so the old saying --caveat -emptor---or buyer beware.........
  • For those of you wondering about how much leeway the General would give SAAB, they are now going to be packing up their tents in Atlanta and SAAB USA headquarters and all SAAB USA employees (80) will move to Detroit to work near the flagpole.

    Two things strike me about this announcement. SAAB's Atlanta location always puzzled me because it was not close to their major customer bases (the Northeast, for one), major media markets, good ocean shipping, etc. What does Atlanta have to offer an imported car headquarters except cheap real estate? Secondly, neither the Atlanta location and certainly not the new Detroit location exposes them to the hip automotive influences that seemingly incubate on the left coast. This move only makes sense if the real plan is to lay off half of the 80 people, have other GM people handle their duties like PR , warranty, etc. and shove the remainging 40 people into some unused basement down on Third Ave near Selden.
  • buddhabmanbuddhabman Posts: 252
    That is weird. But doesn't Porsche have a big facility there. Does it have something to do with a testing track or facility. Mama Hen bringing her baby back home.
  • ponytrekkerponytrekker Posts: 284
    Kiss that brand goodbye. Your next SAAB 9-5:

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  • marc4marc4 Posts: 1
    I agree....the Saab emblem should have a lemon in the design as to warn all potential Saab owners that you will be purchasing a lemon vehicle. I have a 2001 Saab 9-5 with 40,000 miles and I am at the dealership every other week. I know everyone at the Saab shop by their first name. The service is also horrible. Charles River Saab tried to rip me off by charging me for warranty parts!!!! Can we say avoid this dealership at all costs. Please folks, if you want to buy a car go for a Lexus, Acura, or any other luxury Japanese cars. These cars will last longer and save you a heck of a lot of money in the long run. I will soon trade in my Saablemon for the new Acura TL. AGAIN, AVOID SAABS
  • aerodriveraerodriver Posts: 12
    Whoa, there!! Every brand has its lemons, and Saab (while much improved--see JD Power results) is no different. But speaking as a three-peat Saabster, it's a love/hate relationship for Saab owners, with love eventually winning out. Remember why you bought the car: it's fun, it's different, it's not Japanese/German, and it's not for everyone. Your Saab has lots of virtues and some quirks, and that's why you feel a genuine pride of ownership when you slip the key into the center-mounted ignition. No luxury-loving Lexus/Acura owner feels the same thrill.

    You didn't buy your 9-5 for its bulletproof reliability. Enjoy your 9-5 for what it is, a fun and exciting car with occasional lapses, and exploit the hell out of the warranty Saab provides. While you're sitting in the dealership's service waiting room thumbing thru the new car ads, ask yourself: do you really want to drive some other company's cookie-cutter sedan?

    Hang in there. I've been where you are, and I assure you it gets better.
  • smksmk Posts: 4
    Thanks for the input and wrote to SAAB. They purchased my lemon back. I did love the car but am too risk averse to buy another one.
  • smksmk Posts: 4
    Okay. Just an update to my SAAB story. SAAB agreed to repurchase my vehicle back and refunded my money. It was a little bit of a hassle but honerable on their part. The dealership I dealt with gave me a convertible while the mess got straightened out. I'm back on the market looking for a car and am too chicken to buy another SAAB. I really loved the car but its not worth the hassle of reliability. I'm afraid I'm venturing out towards the Japanese brands this time around.
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