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Saab 9-5 Sedan

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  • bretfrazbretfraz Posts: 2,021
    Is computer controlled. No manual intervention. It ain't the Mach V or anything ;)

    Only found on manual tranny models as the auto tranny cannot handle the added torque.
    http://www.saabnet.com/tsn/models/2002/pr6.html
  • I'm new to SAAB. Do you know when the next model change for the 9-5 will be? I sat in the new 9-3 and 9-5 yesterday. The interior of 9-3 impresses me. I think it's better than the Audi/VW interior. Definitely better than 3-series. It's hard to decide if I should go for the extra power in the Aeros or the interior of the 9-3.
  • bretfrazbretfraz Posts: 2,021
    Hard to say right now. It really depends on what global platform a new 9-5 will be built on. There's some speculation out there but no commitment, AFAIK. Market forces will dictate some of these decisions (a new 9-5 will need an AWD version and I've even heard a new V8 could be developed for it). I spoke to some SAAB officials at SEMA and they weren't too informative; prolly cuz they didn't know either.

    The current 9-5 went thru a massive overhaul in 2002 so don't expect too many changes until an all new car comes out.

    One big thing to consider is interior and trunk room. I like the new 9-3 but it is a smaller car than the 9-5. The 9-5 may look & feel small but it is very roomy, even for big folks (I'm 6' 4"). The hatchback is no more in the 9-3 and there is no wagon version like there is on a 9-5. Two rather different cars, the 9-5 & 9-3.

    Hope this helps.
  • I recall someone made an offer to buy an Aero for 32,000, but the salesman refused. Here is one I just saw on ebay for 32.9k


    Better hurry


    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1873170349&category=31867

  • rob999rob999 Posts: 233
    I've had good experience with the dealership (BRI Saab - OkC, OK) that's offering that Aero at $32.9k. They've been around for a while. I buy all my parts/accessories from them for my 9-5 wagon. They offer a standard 20% off list on Saab parts. (800) 749-1806

    I have no affiliation with them whatsoever, I am just a satisfied customer.
  • lazuralazura Posts: 43
    Based on my calculations, you should be able to get an Aero for around $32K.

    Invoice - $37157
    Dealer Cash Discount - less $4000
    Lease Discount - less $1000
    New invoice - $32157

    Based on the above, I don't see why a Saab dealer would not take about $32500 for an Aero, especially since Saab is in such bad trouble financially. Also, Saab has a 2% holdback which contributes more profit for them. I'm thinking of offering $32500 for a 2003 Aero to my dealer and leasing, considering the money factor is .00046 and the residual is 49%. Has anyone else had any luck with this tactic?
  • bretfrazbretfraz Posts: 2,021
    The only dealer cash I am aware of is on the Linear models only. Where do you find info about dealer cash on the Aero?

    Same question on "lease discounts". What is that exactly?

    And finally, exactly which Aero has an invoice of $37157?

    Oh BTW, just because SAAB Corporate is hurting financially, do not expect the dealers to just rool over and hand you a $5000 under invoice deal. If you can make it work, great. But at least post all pertinent details of your negotiations so we all can figure out how to do this.
  • beer47beer47 Posts: 185
    In Sunday's NY Times @ North Jersy Dealer. Nicely equipped, 3000 demo miles, $26,500 or so was the price. Sounds like a great deal for someone. The timing is wrong for me. 4 cyl motor.
  • lazuralazura Posts: 43
    bretfraz,
    CarsDirect has the Aero invoice at $37157, without any options. Also, this same site has the Aero purchase price LESS than invoice at $35405. It looks like CarsDirect took $4000 off MSRP ($39275), which leads me to believe that Saab is offering dealer incentives of $4000. Also, the $1000 lease discount comes directly off the cap. cost only if you lease. This amount came from the leasing board. I am considering a Saab for my next purchase, but only if I can get all these discounts. The Saab 9-5 Aero is a nice vehicle, but it is in no way comparable to a BMW, MB or Lexus in the 40K range. A 9-5 Aero for around 34K to 35K is a much better price point for this vehicle.
  • bretfrazbretfraz Posts: 2,021
    Based on what I've found at places like GM Family Savings the only 9-5 incentive is on the Linear model. I rarely hear of any factory incentives on the Aero and there does not appear to be one on now. So my sources tell me CarsDirect is wrong.

    I've never heard of $1000 off the top for a lease until I read your post. I'll keep digging but so far no official or semi-official confirmation is available.

    A "no options" Aero might be tough to find. There aren't too many options to begin with but a 5 speed Aero with nothing on it is a rare bird from what I can tell. Finding that will take a nationwide search.

    Lastly, Road & Track did a comparo of 11 sport sedans over the summer. The 9-5 Aero finished fourth but I don't know why. The editors did not have one bad thing to say about the car. Well, I think they criticized it for not offering a CD changer. The IS300 finished in 3rd but received several adverse comments. The C280 finished towards the back of the pack.

    All three of those cars you mentioned will offer buyers the pleasure of near MSRP purchases along with the enjoyment of full market price interest rates. Happy full-price paying!!
  • What type of deals are out there on '02, '03 Aero's. I understand that 9-5's dont hold their resale value. What can you expect for a used '02 Aero, Thanks.
  • Hi,
    I'm thinking of getting a Saab. It's the only car my wife likes. I'm also considering VW passat 4mo, and Subaru. I like the look of the 9-5, too, but I'm concerned with reliability, because I would hold onto it for awhile. I know that these depreciate like a stone. One dealer told me a guy had a 9-3 for 9months, and wanted to get a WRX. The value of the car was 50% less. Now, I don't know if that's realistic, but the red book values (I'm in Canada) are way lower than what dealers list them for used. Significantly lower. I don't want to invest in one if it's not reliable and I take a bath on resale. If it's reliable and I can enjoy it for 5+ years, great, I could probably find some deals, but not if they don't hold up. They cost as much as bimmers, even more in some cases, but they don't seem to be the same level of car.
    REgarding the car magazines. I've always felt that they b---ch about the "quirkiness" of the center ignition, and something with the seatbelts. Then they give them a low rating. I think they just can't get over that, and feel they need to knock it because of that. Why should "Quirky" design mean it's not as good a car? They are very biased IMO.
    regards,
    cdndriver
  • rob999rob999 Posts: 233
    With rare exception, anytime someone buys a car and trades it in a few months later they will take a bath. Especially at a dealership where they pay 'wholesale' at best, and even less in a situation where they may have sensed they had a customer who was willing to do a trade for the WRX at any cost. If you intend to keep a car 5+ years, then short-term trade-in values are almost irrelevant compared to reliability. Almost all the consumer organizations have given the 9-5 excellent reviews for both initial quality and long-term reliability.

    You'd be hard pressed to get a BMW for the same price as a similarly equipped 9-5. With the current incentives, a 9-5 is a great value and you'll pay far less than MSRP.

    Yes, the 'quirky' adjective seems to pop up in every Saab review ever written. OK, so the ignition key is in the center console. Big deal, it's been there 20+ years in different models. It would be nice if writers would just get over that. From a functional viewpoint, I've come to really appreciate having the ignition and the window regulators in the center console. It's nice to keep your left hand on the wheel at all times and use your right for ignition, shift, windows, heat/acc, and stereo.

    I drive both a Subaru Outback and a 9-5 wagon, and I must say that though the Outback is endearing in its own right, it doesn't come close to the comfort and performance of the 9-5 on a road trip.
  • Hi,
    I test drove a Subaru Outback sedan/vdc-H6. It was a 2002. It was fun, and I was impressed. I took it in a big parking lot and did some tight turns. Fair bit of roll to it, but otherwise, very nice and smooth engine. Man the heater fan is noisey, though. My problem is I don't fit. Even with the seats all the way down, my hair and left side of my head kept brushing the liner and roof. That gets annoying after awhile. I couldn't sit in the back seat without bending my head. So I think they'll have to get taken off my list. They are very nice.
    Lasat night I test drove a Passat with 4mo. I am interested in the vr6, but they only had the W8. WOW. That is peppy and puts you back in the seat! I loved it, but now I must get realistic.

    I stopped by the Saab/Saturn etc. dealer on the way home. I loved the look of the Linear wagon, and the aero sedan. The wagon had the touring package and premium package and was 44,999.00 but I overheard the saleman telling another guy that there was no dickering on price, that was it. He didn't mention anything about incentives. A woman who works near me says she and her husband have a 9-3 and 9-5 wagon. Even though they bought two from the save dealer, they didn't get any break on the price. That knocks them out unless I go used and then I'm concerned about care and repair of that turbo. Very pricey I'm sure. Though they depreciate fast enough that I might find a deal there. Especially in a wagon. So they hold up in the long run? I've found two 99 wagons to look at.
    I must say that I think they are one of the sleekest looking wagons out there, and the cockpit is gorgeous; it looks like a jet!
    regards,
    cdndriver
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    1. No discounts on 9-5 wagon... hm, that's unheard of.

    2. Passat doesn't have a VR6 anymore, it has the old 2.8 V6 (190hp) used earlier in Audi A4. VR6 is now used in Jettas and Golfs GTI (2.8 liter with 201hp, there is also VR6 3.2L coming soon in Phaeton and Toureg, also used in Europ in Golft R32). Yummy!

    Tomek
  • rob999rob999 Posts: 233
    That non-negotiable price of $44,999 CDN translates into $28,900 USD, which is a pretty decent price if it includes an auto and premium package. Much less than what I paid last March, even with GM employee discount and that month's incentive. I don't dwell on what I paid vs the most current incentives - I just enjoy the car. Historically, 9-5 wagons usually get less of an incentive compared to sedans due to more limited availability.

    If you can swing it, go for it!
  • dskidski Posts: 414
    Wow..I didn't even consider what 44K was in US dollars. If $28,900 is correct in US dollars.. that's unheard of. It's no wonder they won't offer any additional discounts. You say that's with a Premium Pkg and Touring Pkg? Ours was equipped with Premium and the Sticker was around $37K US if i recall correctly. Go for it cdn. You won't regret it.

    Drew
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    Is that before or after GST?
  • I need to replace 2 of the original Michelin MXV4+'s and I'd prefer a cheaper alternative as I only have 7 months left on my lease. I am
    considering mixing 2 Yokohama Avid V4's with the 2 remaining original Michelin MXV4+'s.

    Any opinions on whether this makes sense?

    Don
  • bretfrazbretfraz Posts: 2,021
    How many miles is that for you, typically? I'd understand your logic a bit more if your lease was up in 2 weeks, but it's not.

    You've got all winter ahead of you. I'd install 4 new tires and not worry about the extra $200 or so the additional 2 will cost.
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