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Saab 9-5 Sedan

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  • I know Saab has been using turbos for decades....But that doesn't seem to be enough of an arguement to say the turbos are trouble free. It's like all domestic manufacturers have been making cars for decades too. But they still have questionable reliability. However, I will consider your suggestion of using Mobil 1. What weight does the manufacturer recommend? And are the turbos made by Mitsubishi?


    I would like to get a Saab. I like it's interior and styling. I just want to make sure I know every possible "failure or problems" the car will have. BTW, is your Aero 2003? Is the ride comfortable? My choice will be a used one, probably 1999. So I won't have to debate between a V6 or an Aero. Oh, Edmunds have both the 1999 4cyl and 6cyl at 7.5 seconds. Do you know the 1/4mile time for this car? I also want to use it for smoking those import cars, especially the japanese one.

  • I have a 1999 Saab 9-5 2.3t wagon (4 cyl.) Recently, the engine siezed at 36,000, still under warranty. However, Saab is disclaiming warranty coverage, saying that it was the result of "failure to maintain." Manual requires oil changes every 10K, which I had. Saab says oil should have been changed more often. Any similar problems with oil failure in saab engines? If so, I am thinking class action.
  • hi,
    While looking for a used 9-5, in my search for a car, I found a 2001 9-5 aero wagon with only 21,000kms on it. "Hmmm," I thought,"this could be intersting." I called the man and he said it was in excellent condition and a real good deal. I asked if it had ever been in an accident and he said no, but...it had been vandalized. They broke in the windows, stole the airbag and the wheels, and scratched the paint. The Insurance wrote off the car. He has a garage that specializes in Saabs and fixed it up with OEM parts. He repainted it and says you can't really tell anything was ever wrong with it. I don't know if it's even worth going out to look at it. If it was just those cosmetic things, perhaps it could be a good find, or it could be even more scary than I want to think. So, what would you folks do?
    cdndriver
  • I wouldn't consider that car.....Airbag being stolen? Are they really that expensive?

    Since you mentioned airbag, I have a question that's unrelated to the topic. Once an airbag is deployed, how are they going to be replaced? Will it work perfectly for the second time?
  • rob999rob999 Posts: 233
    No, an airbag is a one-time use component. If deployed, it needs to be replaced along with the section of dashboard or steering wheel pad that is destroyed when it goes off. The old airbag is removed and a new one is plugged into the wiring harness.
  • ffb13ffb13 Posts: 181
    well, i have been out of here for some time.
    my 2000 aero was purchased in november 1999.
    currently 47,000 miles.
    car has great stability at high speeds (in usa this means 80 to 100 mph sustained )have had it to 125 for a few minutes and still good.
    problem areas---------
    4 ecm's replaced
    head light bulbs --took fuse out for daytime .
    center console lock mech locked out gear selector.
    small oil leaks.
    radiator fan (one out of two)went out.
    power steering now leaking.
    new disc brakes front at 28,000 .
    is not a honda for sure.but it is more fun to drive in the north east .not worth it in flat areas such as fla.
    car likes winter .so so in summer weather though a/c is good.
  • My Aero is a 2002, and the 0-60 is somewhere in the mid 6's. My old 900 SE was in the low 6's. I'm not sure of the 1/4 time. I may take it to a local strip and find out when spring rolls around and I get better tires. As far as synthetic, I use standard weights 10W30 in winter, 10W40 spring/fall and 15W50 in the summer (I think that's it). Unless you live where it is really cold (high temps below 0F), don't go below 10W30, it is not generally recommended for the turbo.

    Saab's turbochargers are oil and water cooled (IIRC), but SAAB has used both Mistubishi and Garret turbochargers in the past, I don't know who makes the one in my 95. I got a great deal on my new Aero, it had 6K miles on it and had never been titled, since it was driven by a SAAB regional parts manager. Automatic, touring package, and only in service for 4 months. I paid just under $30K and may qualify for owner loyalty rebate of $500, since I own a '73 SAAB Sonett. (48K miles, 2nd owner)

    If you are really concerned about maintenance issues/costs, you might consider a used Acura TL Type S. Nice car, I would have gotten one, but I just wanted to be back in a SAAB when I finished out the lease on a vehicle for my wife. (Wife wanted Honda Oddessey half way through her lease when I blew the transmission on my 900 SE, can't blame SAAB, 160K miles and 60 extra horsepower, with much bigger and better tires.)
  • dskidski Posts: 414
    Okay..I've been gone too long. Here are some clarifications from some of the conversation thread lately.

    1.In Canada.. you can't pull fuse 35 as he said, it's the law. DRL's cause short bulb life whether it's a Saab or a Honda.

    2.Saab Automobile doesn't Make Airplanes. They've been seperate for Years now. In fact.. I don't even think Saab Aerospace even makes a Plane anymore. Big supplier to company's that still assemble though.

    3.You don't fix an airbag.. you replace it. Someone already answered that. I just thought the question was funny. LOL

    4. Headlight replacement.. in the U.S. the dealers replace the bulbs under warranty. It must be different in Canada. Of course after the warranty expires... we're on our own. The last 7 years of Saabs here.. we replace our bulbs much less than our neighbors do for thier Volvo and they blow all the bulbs a LOT not just headlights.

    Drew
  • I don't know what kind of bulbs and the brand Saab uses (H4? H3?) But did anyone replace a burned out bulb with those that are use by Hondas or Toyotas? (Assuming they are the same kind of bulbs) I'm just wondering if anyone has done it to maybe proof it's the bulb's problem and not Saab.
  • Sonett_lvr:
    I don't know where you live. But I live in CA. Do I need to switch the oil in different seasons like you do? Acura TL-S......don't want japanese cars.....

    Enginetrouble:
    Please keep us posted. Doesn't seem like Saab is taking good care of its customers.......
  • bbf65bbf65 Posts: 29
    mitsubishi turbo on aero's,
    garrett's on linear and arc's.

    happy saabing!
  • bretfrazbretfraz Posts: 2,021
    Doesn't seem like Saab is taking good care of its customers.......

    I think you can make that statement about every single automaker. Based on my personal experience and what I've read from hundreds of fellow SAAB owners is that SAAB does a great job with their customers. Not every car is perfect, not every dealer is wonderful, not every car owner is honest.

    The 9-5 is at least as reliable as any comparable European car, and more reliable than many. But there's always gonna be a few bad ones. If you put reliability as your #1 priority, stick with the Asian brands. The odds are slightly more in their favor. Not that Asian cars are perfect either.
  • I guess I shouldn't make that comment based on just one incident (post #1278). The reason I said that is because based on enginetrouble's post,

    "Manual requires oil changes every 10K, which I had. Saab says oil should have been changed more often."

    seems like to me Saab is not going to repair the vehicle even the driver follows the manual's indicated maintenance requirement. It's good to hear you have good experience with Saab. I know all cars are not perfect and I definitely wouldn't go for another japanese car.
  • ejh00ejh00 Posts: 6
    Was planning on another Saab, this time buying an Aero (I have a 2000 9-5 SE coming up to lease-end). Local dealer still has a new 2002 Aero 5-spd that he offered for $31,500 (MSRP is $40K and change). This includes $500 owner loyalty and what I think is a hefty discount. Am concerned only about the reputed turbo lag and sloppy shifting, which my brief test drive seemed to confirm. Car is outstanding otherwise.

    My son convinced me to test drive a 2003 Maxima SE 6-spd, which I did. Smooth, quiet, powerful and luxurious. It had none of Saab's quirkiness or intelligent engineering touches, and the warranty is less attractive (3yr/36,000 vs. 4yr/50,000 plus roadside). But this car really performs, and I was surprised at how much I liked it. The dealer's first offer was $26K (MSRP is $30,600), which I think can come down more if I get serious. I need a backseat and trunk space, otherwise I'd look at the Z or G35 for Saab money.

    Is this a fair comparison? The $6-7K price difference is significant in this class, but 20% off the Aero is also compelling. I want to own and drive for 4-5 years. Or am I comparing Swedish apples and Japanese oranges? All thoughts are welcome.
  • ejh00.. I know what you are going through. I too have a 200 Saab 9-5 and my lease comes up in a few months. I've been doing some heavy research and have narrowed my picks to the following:
    Saab 9-5 Aero wagon,Volvo XC70,Subaru Outback H.6. I'm looking for a wagon as you can see and these are the choices that make the most sense to me. Obviously the Saab is the sports car of the bunch and I'll talk about that in a moment.
    My newphew just purchased a 03 Maxima and I test drove it. Like you,I was mesmerized by the speed and sheer acceleration that it produces. Having said that,the rest of the experience left me wanting more. I can't put my finger on it but it just seemed to get boring after about 5 minutes of driving it. If you are looking for a reliable,fast car I think the Maxima will be superior to the Saab although besides some battery issues with my car, I can't complain too much. It's been very reliable. It will be a tough choice,I know.Also,you will be able to do much better on price with the max.
    Back to my situation,I like idea of leasing something else this time but I know there is an 80% chance that I will end up with another Saab.
    Why?? I think you know the reasons so I won't go into it. The fact that I will be a return customer should also be favorable so I may as well give in and go and put my order in for my
    9-5 Aero wagon.. A red one sounds good..
    Good luck and let me know your thoughts as well.
  • bretfrazbretfraz Posts: 2,021
    But buy the car you like. You'll have to spend the next 5 years paying for it, might as well get something desirable.

    Some time ago I posted some comments about the 9-5 vs. Acura TL. You might want to scroll back and look for them.

    Part of me thinks its terribly sad that people compare the 9-5 to mainstream Asian cars when SAAB should be compared against Audi, Volvo, etc. Maybe not MBz or BMW but at least something close. If nothing else it helps Nissan's marketing dept justify price increases. I mean, if the average person can't tell the diff between one and the other, why not raise the price $5000 and stick it to them?

    I feel sorry for all the suckers kicking down $27,000+ for a Honda Accord. But ignorance is bliss, especially when it comes to buying a new car.
  • bbf65bbf65 Posts: 29
    if money is no object, i'd take the aero anyday.

    the maxima is a really good car with an outstanding engine, roomy inside, nice fit and finish, and 6 speed manual tranny (although, nissan's stick is not as slick as say a honda or bmw). also, it's due for a redesign and therefore, all the kinks and bugs should have been ironed out and there should be ample incentives when buying the car. and the maxima is historically very reliable. however, the ride is a bit stiff and not as pleasant or as comfortable as the saab. the doors don't close with a reassuring solid "thud" as saabs do. some safety ratings are not as good as the saabs (iihs, nhtsa, etc.)

    the saab 9-5 aero is much more fun to drive.
    it may not have an engine as smooth running as the vq series v-6 in the maxima, but the overall driving experience is sublime. it has that elusive european feel on the road - solid, satisfying ride. the doors close with tank-like firmness. the ride is firm, taut, compliant but not uncomfortable, stiff or jittery. and you don't see one in every corner.

    the price they gave you on the aero is a steal.
    got mine 3 months ago for much more than that.

    buy what you really want.
    let us know which one you end up choosing.
    either way, good luck.
  • mstsscmstssc Posts: 89
    Careful with going from a 9-5 to a XC70. If you like the ride, handling and tightness of the Saab, you will be disappointed with the Volvo. I have both a 9-5 and V70 (although a GLT). The Volvo is a good comfortable highway cruiser but the Saab a better driver. I am now looking at upgrading my Volvo front end bits to tighten it up some.

    Take the Volvo for a good test drive and make sure it suits your driving style. Better yet see if you can get your hands on a rental with some hard miles on it.

    Both cars have been very reliable with only minor problems.
  • thinking about getting one of these...price is a question. i undertand that there is a lot of dealer cash out there right now...what should i expect to pay for an '03 aero wagon? carsdirect says $35,961, but i expect that i can do better?
  • ejh00ejh00 Posts: 6
    After debating over Aero vs Maxima SE and a few others, yesterday I bought the '02 Aero. Dealer offered an under-$30K price for a new '02 with auto and touring, zero miles. The bargain price was based on a few factors, but mainly the fact that the car is Laser Red. Now there's a distinctive vehicle! There are some factory incentives (plenty, it seems), 2.9 financing for 48 mos, and the year-end push helped. But in the end they just didn't want the car on the lot any longer, and I was ready to buy. Black or Cosmic Blue would have been nice, but not $4K nice. Taking delivery Jan. 2. See you on the roads!
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