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BMW 3-Series 2005 and earlier

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,678
    It is lucky you didn't spin it... It would be analagous to only slamming the brakes on the front wheels, with no braking on the back.

    I had a '77 Cobra II (no jokes), that I tried to start when it was 25 below zero. The throttle linkage froze wide open, and when it cranked up, it immediately redlined.. About three seconds before I shut it off. Didn't really matter.. that car was a piece of crap anyway.

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • brave1heartbrave1heart Posts: 2,698
    Aren't you glad you got the E39? In Road & Track, a disastrous 6th place finish for the E60 among seven mid-sized 6 cylinder luxury cars. Even the Chrysler 300 beat it!!

    Complaints centering around needlessly complex I-Drive functions, indirect handling and butt-ugly (literally) styling.

    In Consumer Reports, it's much the same story: poor reliability and I-Drive madness topping the list.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Funny thing, I was just talking with my business partner not five minutes ago, and we were talking about the fact that the leases on both of our cars end within the next 10 months. He is probably going to get the 300C or the Hemi Magnum, and I'm keeping the E39. Given that the number of miles that I drive per year has dropped to less than 12K since we moved here to NH (I've been driving lots of rental cars elsewhere though), I figure that I can probably hold on to my 2002 until the next generation 5-Series (E71 or some such number) comes out. As for the E60, as it sits now, there won't be darkening the doorway to my garage anytime soon. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    Aren't you glad you got the E39? In Road & Track, a disastrous 6th place finish for the E60 among seven mid-sized 6 cylinder luxury cars. Even the Chrysler 300 beat it!!

    But it's not based on performance. It's the usual lame stuff car mags do to come off as unbiased.

    Complaints centering around needlessly complex I-Drive functions,

    That one makes me rolls my eyes every time I see it. Car mag writers must be flat out idiots. I drove my bro-in-laws 745i and within a few minutes of tinkering I could get to whatever I needed quickly and without hesitation. Anytime I see this criticism I know the rest of the review isn't worth salt.

    indirect handling

    Heard many complaints about the active stuff at slow speeds but not heard anyone say it's odd at fast speeds. I gotta drive one...

    and butt-ugly (literally) styling.

    Don't care about styling. It's the least important thing to me when buying a car.

    Mag reviews...useless. And I felt this way BEFORE owning a bimmer too.
  • memphis10memphis10 Posts: 161
    Drove the 530 SMG at the BMW charity "ultimate drive event". The cars were from BMWNA so there was no car salesman riding with me. Besides, the route was a curvy 10 mile road. I really liked the steering and handling of the E60 - 530. The active steering is quite different from the normal steering. It was tight and precise, but the feedback was slightly muted. I really like it and was wondering why some of the car mags trashed it so bad. The handling was suprisingly nice but this was the first 5 series I had driven and I was expecting it to be more in lines of the 7 series. I was hoping that the style would grow on me but it hasn't happened yet. It is butt ugly. But overall I feel it is a nice ugly car.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    “"indirect handling"

    Heard many complaints about the active stuff at slow speeds but not heard anyone say it's odd at fast speeds. I gotta drive one...”

    Fast speeds? Countless! Even the std steering w/ fixed ratio, which isn't as bad, isn't as communicative as before, at least compare to the ones w/ rack & pinion. Of course, the old 540i's steering w/o rack & pinion was numb enough.

    Since I eliminate cars over 180" long, I don't keep most of the related articles.
  • memphis10memphis10 Posts: 161
    Thinking about installing a clutch stop for an E46 325i. Any suggestions on UUC or Rogue. Any warranty issues with having one. Do I have to mess with the guard switch thats tied to the clutch to prevent the engine to start with the clutch out.
  • bmw323isbmw323is Posts: 410
    I'm going to the "Ultimate Drive" tomorrow and hope to drive the E60 with Active Steering and I-drive. I wouldn't consider buying a 5 series, but I want to know first-hand about these features since they will likely make there way to the 3 series and I'll be ready for a new 3 in a few years.

    I might be able to live with the "butt" of the E60, but I cannot get past those terrible eyebrows. What were they thinking?
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    Still don't get the obsession with the outside of cars. I bought the car for how it felt while driving. The exterior? I'm not a socal modder, so it really doesn't matter.

    Then again, I'm prone to wearing torn jeans, old t-shirts and in general offering enough of a juxtaposition that someone has the gall to ask at least once a month if my 330i is actually my car.
  • brislance1brislance1 Posts: 87
    I have an 03 330i with sport and premium package and am experiencing some annoying tire noise at low speeds. I stopped at two tire shops today and was told my tires are beginning to cup somewhat and that that they should be rotated. How do you rotate sport package tires when the tires are different sizes on the front and rear? I have always been told never to rotate tires on a BMW. The car only has 9,000 miles on it. Anyone have any suggestions? I suspect there is no warranty from BMW on tires. How about Continental Tire Company?
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    can be rotated b/t left & right.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "Then again, I'm prone to wearing torn jeans, old t-shirts and in general offering enough of a juxtaposition that someone has the gall to ask at least once a month if my 330i is actually my car."

    I went one step further, even my well-maintained '90 Protege has un-repaired dents & missing wheel covers.

    Each time I used to park my car, whether it was the '90 Protege LX, '93 Camry SE or '98 Corolla LE, near the Mexican border, the parking attendant always asked for "$5" in English whether my stereo was on or not. But if I happened to leave on a Spanish station w/ the language broadcasted, then the attendant would ask me for the $5 in Spanish, since he probably couldn't see my face from where he was standing anyway.

    After I restored the '84 Jetta coupe, which doesn't got a radio, I decided to give it a try to see how well it drives down there. Eventhough the Mexican-market Mexican-buit old Jetta(Atlantic) is a 4-dr, that attendant would ask me for the $5 in Spanish.

    The funny part is how I came back northbound by the check point at night. The border patrol officer, who usually waves my notchback vehicles to go through, couldn't tell by the front view of the car that my Jetta is a made-in-WestGermany coupe. So he wanted me to stop. & just before I stopped, he probably saw me wearing a pair of nerdy glasses, so he decided to let me through.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I'm not too sure you want to hear what I'm about to tell you, however, due to the more aggressive suspension setup of the SP equipped cars, the tires wear faster and more unevenly than they otherwise should. What is even more discouraging, as they wear, they get noisy(er). I have heard any number of reason for the noise ranging from Cupping to different rubber compounds deeper into the tread that don't ride as smoothly or as quietly as the outer rubber. Whatever the reason, I have heard many noise related complaints from folks who drive cars (not just BMWs) with the lower profile/higher performance tires. :-/

    I just went over to the 5-Series board and queried "tire noise" and got 72 hits, and over on the "Tires, tires, tires" board the same query generated 172 responses.

    Regarding your question about rotating your 330i SP tires; I don't think it's possible because I suspect that you have unidirectional tires.

    Looking at this problem from a different angle, I suspect that if those of us who drive SP equipped cars were to drive them closer to the edge more of the time and on nice winding roads at that, the tires would wear more evenly. Failing that, at least they would wear out faster so that we wouldn't have to put up with the noise as long. :-/ Maybe you should take a few driving courses and start racing, after all, why should Paul Newman be the only septuagenarian out there on the track. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • mitchs3mitchs3 Posts: 64
    My 2002 330i sedan also has a noise as well. More noticeable when driving after the car has been sitting a while. A rubbing type sound that varies with speed and with the angle of the steering wheel. The dealer has investigated a few times and cannot hear noise or find any pathology.... Any thoughts? The notion of tire cupping is new to me , what is this?
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Posts: 2,698
    I'll be the first to admit that when it comes to good sex, personality and flirting go a loooong way. Call me superficial but looks do matter a lot too ;o)
  • brislance1brislance1 Posts: 87
    Shipo,

    Thanks for the answer on my tire noise. Guess I will just tune up the radio and forget the noise.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Hmmm, thinking out loud (on the keyboard that is), I doubt that your problem is tire related. My guess is that you might be hearing your brakes, and that could be because of a couple of different reasons. So, before I start speculating too much, could you possibly provide a little more information about your car?

    Do you have the SP or is it running on All-Season tires?
    Have you had the brakes done recently?
    If not, how many miles are on the brakes?
    How hard do you drive?
    How loud is the noise when you do hear it?
    Is the noise louder turning in one direction versus the other?
    Can you detect any extra wear near the outer edges or shoulders of any one tire?

    As for "Cupping", it's kind of hard to describe; kind of like someone took a shallow spoon and scooped away a portion of your tread at regular intervals all of the way around the tire, typically at or near the shoulder of the tire. When it gets bad enough, your tires generate a woop-woop-woop kind of noise as you are driving along. I looked for a picture on the internet; however, I was unable to find one that obviously illustrated the phenomena.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    No problem. ;-)

    Hey, how about those racing lessons?

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,678
    One other thing... If two tire shops suggested you rotate your tires on a staggered set-up... time to find a new tire shop.

    As Shipo says.. performance tires tend to get noisy after just a little wear.. Also, your rear tires are going to wear faster than the fronts, and it is likely that your right rear will wear faster than your left rear. I took off my summer tires right after I bought my car in December with 8300 miles, and you could already tell the wear differences (non-staggered, 325i Sport package).

    If you are fairly happy with your tires.. (not withstanding the noise), then you can replace just the rear tires and possibly get another 10K-15K miles out of the fronts. But, most people tend to want a whole new set, once the rears wear out.

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • cotmccotmc Posts: 1,081
    I have had the same tire noise problem with my '00 528i with the sport package. The allignment of the wheels with our sport suspensions is not completely "neutral". If I remember correctly, BMW sets up their sport packages with negative camber. This causes the inner portion of the tread to wear more than the rest of the tire, resulting in cupping along the inside tread. (This assumes you are not racing the car, taking high-g turns, etc!) Usually it takes about 8-10K miles before the noise begins to grow. The noise isn't too bad at 65mph, but it becomes very irritating when driving along at 35-45mph!

    A friend of mine recently tried something that seems to make sense, which I will try after my new set of tires starts getting noisy. As shipo mentioned, the tires are typically unidirectional, and so you can't just rotate the wheels between the left and right sides. However, you could have the tire shop dismount the tires and remount them with the exact same orientation on the opposite side of the car. In other words, picture the tire "sliding" from the left side over to the right side, without changing directions. Now, what was previously the inner edge of the tire, with cupping, is on the outside edge! There will likely still be some noise, but because the outside edge doesn't have as much of the weight during low-speed driving, you should notice some improvement.
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