Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!





BMW 3-Series 2005 and earlier

13183193213233241461

Comments

  • drcrdrcr Posts: 87
    Just test drive them. I looked and drove them all.

    The TL - S was nice. Feels (and looks for that matter) like a fast accord. Not a very sporty feel. Type s has a Similar ride (feel for the bumps) to the 325 sport. Handleing feel more confident w/ the 325.

    The marble interior on the TL S is definitly a no no. In the TL I felt like it was a loaded Accord V6 and it wasn't as "driver focused" as the BMW.

    No doubt that the TL S will be reliable.

    Also read consumer reports. the 330 is the CR recomended lux sed buy. Both are rated strong for reliability. Depreciation is also very good on the 3 series. can't remember the TL

    In short, same as others suggested. Just drive both and the decision will be a simple one. For me it was a 325

    IMHO I felt that if I were to go the TL route, I would have saved the $ and just got a loaded Accord V6

    drcr
  • postoakpostoak Posts: 537
    Platypus - it occurs to me that you live in Austin, where it gets pretty hot, and you've got a couple of weeks experience now with the black leatherette interior. How are you living with it? Don't you go into meltdown when getting into the car in the daytime? Do you park in a covered garage for work? How is it on the drive home? I think you mentioned you had leather interiors before on a couple of cars so what has your experience with them been?

    Any other Texans out there who want to weigh in on the heat/leather/leatherette/cloth issue, please feel free to do so.
  • allanoallano Posts: 175
    I've owned both a BMW and a Honda product over 10 year intervals, although not at the same time, and found each to be quite reliable. Over those 10 years, the normalized (to the value of the dollar) cost of ownership was higher for the Honda because normal maintenance (i.e timing belt) and the pieces which failed on that car (i.e A/C condenser) were more costly than parts that failed on the BMW. Thus, I would personally not use reliability as a discriminate between the two cars.
    As far as resale value, check the price of used cars for each brand, relative to their new car cost, at Edmunds, kbb.com or nada.com and make up your own mind. My own unique experience is that I got $800 for a 10 year-old, 136K mile Honda (last year) but got 1/2 the purchase price of my 9 year old, 97000 mile BMW (back in the early 80s). It is hard to generalize.
  • postoakpostoak Posts: 537
    Platypus - it occurs to me that you live in Austin, where it gets pretty hot, and you've got a couple of weeks experience now with the black leatherette interior. How are you living with it? Don't you go into meltdown when getting into the car in the daytime? Do you park in a covered garage for work? How is it on the drive home? I think you mentioned you had leather interiors before on a couple of cars so what has your experience with them been?

    Any other Texans out there who want to weigh in on the heat/leather/leatherette/cloth issue, please feel free to do so.
  • drcrdrcr Posts: 87
    If you get a basic 325, the interior will be somewhat bland.

    I have the grey leather/wood/moon/sport(seats) and have received nothing but compliments on how nice it is. Wood goes all around through the rear. Oh. the interior lighting is nice. it has lights for the rear seats also standard now. the dim on/off adds a nice touch. The red/orange glow is spectacular. side note: the new Acura RSX (integra) has gone to an orange instrument back glow

    Nice feature on the TL is that the armrest height adjusts up and down.
  • erricksonerrickson Posts: 130
    Are you talking about a Honda lawnmower? lol....a Civic?...or did you mean $8000!

    I had a 1994 Accord EX with 125K that I just sold for $7800, and I probably could have gottem more for it!
  • postoakpostoak Posts: 537
    Platypus - it occurs to me that you live in Austin, where it gets pretty hot, and you've got a couple of weeks experience now with the black leatherette interior. How are you living with it? Don't you go into meltdown when getting into the car in the daytime? Do you park in a covered garage for work? How is it on the drive home? I think you mentioned you had leather interiors before on a couple of cars so what has your experience with them been?

    Any other Texans out there who want to weigh in on the heat/leather/leatherette/cloth issue, please feel free to do so.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Another factor for leasing a new car ever 3 years or so compared to buying every 6 years or so; statistically, you will have more downtime during the second 3 year period (regardless of whether you are driving a Lexus or a Trabant). My time is worth money, simple as that.

    In my case, I own a small business so the lease is paid for with pre-tax income, given that my wife and I pay WELL over 40% of our income in taxes of some sort (including FICA), that in and of itself pays for more than the difference in the "Extra Cost" of the lease. Factor in less time lost due to downtime for maintenance (even when "Free Loaners" are available, there is still time lost) and the growth of my (company) money not tied up in the form of a down payment and higher monthly payments, and I come out WAY ahead by leasing.

    Quite simply, when I lease a car, I put down the bare minimum and go from there.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo

    P.S.
    The Illinois lease tax thing may be one of the few reasons why I am glad I do not live there anymore.
  • erricksonerrickson Posts: 130
    I live on the other side of Houston from you, and can speak to the black leather interior / exterior. After having it a week, I can say that heat is not a problem, BUT I do park in a parking garage during the day - and home garage at night...AC keeps the car cool while driving, but last weekend we went to the mall, and left it out in the parking lot. I have to admit, it was a might bit toasty when we returned! (My 2 year old flat out refused to get in!)

    I tried to tell my daughter how great the car looked, but she didn't seem to be interested! :(
  • mule714mule714 Posts: 17
    Does anyone have comments on the navigation package? I'm looking at leasing a 330i 4dr auto, PP, cold weather, xenon. Is the nav package any good? Found a lease that's $2500 under MSRP. Another car I was comparing is the TL-S because it has all the extras I wanted. Certainly didn't drive like the 330i though.
  • postoakpostoak Posts: 537
    Thanks, that's just the type of feedback I was looking for. So you're saying you aren't aware of any sweating on the back of your clothes when you leave the garage after work? And you have black leather (not leatherette)?
  • allanoallano Posts: 175
    Yes, it was a 1990 Civic Wagon but it did not owe me anything. Originally paid $10,100 for it and might have returned $1000 to $1200 for a trade if you believe the nada and kbb sites. It was also at its next maintance cycle for the timing belt, tires and exhaust system. The inside fan stopped working at positions 1 and 2, the front-left spring was broken 3/4 turn from the bottom and rust was poping out at wheel wells and door panels (I live in the Northeast). The tape player had quit a long time ago and the right speakers cut in and out with heat and bumps. Air conditioner still worked. It also had a history of eating (Bosch) alternators (3 in 4 years). Although my fault, it left me stranded four days before I traded the car when the original distributor cap and rotor failed to deliver the hot stuff to the plugs. I liked the car a lot and have no ill feelings but now that both children have graduated from college, I can enjoy a BMW again.
  • drcrdrcr Posts: 87
    How many think Brave is begging his wife to stop at an Internet cafe so he can catch up?
  • hippo168hippo168 Posts: 115
    I agree with all of you, different people have different criteria, and should go for the one that's best for them... There are lengthy discussion on this topic in almost every car sites. So we dont need to go thru the details.

    My concerns on leasing are that the car is not YOURS, and more importantly, the mileage limit. For me, I travel around 300-350miles a week, that's 15000+ a year. That means I cannot go anywhere else but to work! :) Unless I want to pay for the extra miles.

    Anyway, I'm scheduled to pick up my car at the end of August, it is going to be a long wait...
  • mule714mule714 Posts: 17
    Digital tape is still heavily used in professional recording. Also, many people tape live concerts with DAT. I've got an old Sony DAT head unit. Thinking about putting it into my classic t-bird. Not easy to find, but here's one - http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1249096286
  • erricksonerrickson Posts: 130
    Nope, back has been dry thus far. The car is completely shaded all day, and the a cools it off real quick when I first get in... and I do have the black leather. Same is true in the morning in my garage (but obviously the hemp is much more comfortable).

    Also spoke to my salesperson last week. He had mentioned that leather was better than leatherette when it comes to sweating. He called and told me he witnessed it first hand the other day when he had to pick up a car in New Or leans (with leatherette) and drive it to Lafayette. He said he had to change shirt when he got to Lafayette I/I the back of his shirt was soaked.

    I know all this stuff gets subjective, because now we're talking about sweating, and that is DEFINITELY something that varies from one person to another. Nonetheless, I hope this info helps.
  • jk26jk26 Posts: 27
    I am looking at a 325i with a few added features and want to know what a fair price is. I know about $1500 over invoice is about right from what I have been reading. So here are my options

    invoice=$26,520 includes, cd, heated seats, and wood trim, met paint
    MSRP=$29,310

    Should I shoot for something around $27,800? How high is too high--28K?

    --JK
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Brad,
    I HIGHLY suspect that Brave1heart took a laptop along on the sly, however, he only has time for "Lurk Mode" while wifey is asleep. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
Sign In or Register to comment.