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BMW 3-Series 2005 and earlier

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  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Dude! You rock!

    Unless I'm missing something, you had the hottest 3-Series on street tires out there that day (not counting M3s).

    So, is it true that only four M3s in "BS" beat your average, only one M3 in "CS" beat your average and only one Z4 2.5i in "DS" beat your average?

    Said another way did you beat the following folks?

    15 of 19 in B-Street (mostly M3s)
    6 of 7 in C-Street (M3s, 330Ci and Cooper Ss)
    11 of 12 in D-Street (Z3s, Z4s, Coopers, 330s and the like)
    First of 12 in E-Street (lots of fairly stock BMW stuff)

    Wow, I'm truly impressed. I'll see if I can make it out to cheer you on this Saturday. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,434
    But, I know all 3-series come with at least V-rated tires stock. I know the sport package comes with Z-rated.

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    The flip side of that is that my 530i came with "Y" rated tires and a speed limiter of 128. :-/

    Regarding the BMWs with the higher limiter, BMW's web site is unspecific as to the speed rating of the all-season tires mounted on the non-SP cars. That said, according to the TireRack.com web site, there are three different All-Season tires that fit the new E60 530i and have a speed rating of 149 or better. The three are:

    Michelin Pilot Sport A/S ("W" rating)
    Bridgestone Potenza RE92 ("V" rating)
    Goodyear Eagle RS-A (both "V" and "W" ratings)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Posts: 2,698
    I think you're right. I had a very good day. I teamed up with a good friend of mine who is in the same class and we were riding in each other's car through all the runs. The advice and help we get from each other offset the added weight in the car. My friend placed 4-th in our class and beat a lot of drivers that he couldn't touch last year.
  • div2div2 Posts: 2,580
    Congratulations! It's an added treat when you put some of those "horsepower is everything" know-it-alls in their place...;)
  • additional questions with regards to your response:

    1. You say: Never overrev the engine. Do you mean to say do not go beyond the redline?
    2. what do you mean when you say "Never lug the engine"

    Pardon my ingnorance on these things.
  • jaguar0027jaguar0027 Posts: 387
    Hey Guys,

    I have a 2001 325 Ci with about 51,000 miles on it with the stock Michelin MXV4 Plus tires on it. They have held up pretty well but it's definitely time for a replacement set of tires.

    My question is, what you you recommend for replacement tires? Or should I just go with the OEM Mics? The two things that I would like to improve upon with these tires is a bit better snow traction, and a lil better road noise (e.g. a bit quieter).

    Any help and thoughts are greatly apprecated.

    Thanks in advance.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,434
    I'm assuming you have the stock 16" tires..

    Price: Continental ContiExtremeContact.

    All around best: Michelin Pilot Sport A/S.

    For noise, soft ride, good all around traction:
    Bridgestone Turanza LS-V.

    If you aren't a real aggressive driver and are more concerned with winter traction and good ride, low noise, and long tread life, I'd pick the Turanzas.

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    krispycreme... Two examples:

    - Overreving: When driving at 65 mph, don't downshift from 5th to 2nd or 1st. (If you do, watch what happens to the tach.)

    - Lugging: Don't start your car in 4th or 5th gear, or try to slowyly creep up a steep hill in 4th or 5th gear.
  • Thanks so much riez for the help. This board has been a lot of help.
  • "The top speed issue is largely academic in the U.S. No 3-series (M including) can reach its top speed on any of the 4 tracks that I've driven (WGI, LRP, M-T and NHIS)."
    Hey dude, where are these tracks? How much it costs to get to run your car in a track like these? You know of any one the lone star state, aside from the TX speedway? Would like to try the opportunity to flog my ZHP for some laps. Hey, maybe there's a way to safely reach that 155 mph nirvana. Or should we just take C&D's word for it?
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Posts: 2,698
    Check these chapters for info on driving events.

    http://www.bmwcca.org/links/lnkfset.shtml
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Thanks!

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • gordonwdgordonwd Posts: 337
    Just to elaborate a bit on the earlier responses:

    1) In general, you're more likely to overrev when accelerating, especially in the lower gears where it revs up very quickly. However, there are automatic safeguards that will prevent this. On a manual trans, there is a fuel cutoff at redline. With an automatic, I assume that even when in manual mode it will force a shift if you rev it too high (someone with a Selectronic can verify this?). In the olden days, you could overrev to the point where the valves would "float" (i.e., not close all the way), and this would lead to all sorts of nasty consequences.

    2) If you ever shift into too high a gear and feel the car sort of "bucking" when you let out the clutch -- that's lugging! The most common way that you'll do this, especially when learning, is to take off from a light in 3rd gear when you thought you had it in 1st, or to miss the gate and accidentally shift from 1st to 4th.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,434
    That is correct.. You can't over-rev it.. even in manual, it will shift at the same point as in Sport mode. It also won't downshift, if the revs would be too high in the lower gear.

    Your only worry with the manual is hitting a lower gear when trying to upshift. (i.e.: shifting into 1st, when you meant to upshift into 3rd). Otherwise, lugging would be the thing to avoid. Let the transmission do its job. Downshift when you need more power.

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • brave1heartbrave1heart Posts: 2,698
    <<< On a manual trans, there is a fuel cutoff at redline.>>>

    Redline starts at 6,000 RPMs. Fuel cutoff is at ~6,700 RPMs.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,434
    Do you think those red dashes are the "start" of the redline? I thought they were like the yellow lines in some cars... the warning area. I think the redline is where the redline is solid. Because my steptronic shifts about 6500 RPM when floored.

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • memphis10memphis10 Posts: 161
    I think my post got deleted by PAT_HOST due to the link. Is there any way to post pics?
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Memphis10 - first of all, you should check your email.

    The Membership Agreement, the Rules of the Road and the blurb under the post box all very clearly explain that links to other automotive message boards may not be posted. If you have any questions, feel free to email me and we'll straighten them out.

    Regarding posting pictures ... click on the Owners Club link at the top of this page and check the first post of the Photo Gallery discussion. That explains what you need to know.

    Have fun!

    :)
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    Never forgot the time I was driving my '95 Neon 5-speed manual on interstate. Was in 5th gear cruising along when I decide to go around someone in front of me. Thought I was downshifting from 5th to 4th. Accidently went into 2nd. As I let the clutch out the engine started screaming, looked at the tach to see the needle trying to bury itself in the red zone, and I immediately put the clutch in and put her in neutral. I'd only owned the car for about a week and still hadn't gotten completely used to its shifter.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,434
    It is lucky you didn't spin it... It would be analagous to only slamming the brakes on the front wheels, with no braking on the back.

    I had a '77 Cobra II (no jokes), that I tried to start when it was 25 below zero. The throttle linkage froze wide open, and when it cranked up, it immediately redlined.. About three seconds before I shut it off. Didn't really matter.. that car was a piece of crap anyway.

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • brave1heartbrave1heart Posts: 2,698
    Aren't you glad you got the E39? In Road & Track, a disastrous 6th place finish for the E60 among seven mid-sized 6 cylinder luxury cars. Even the Chrysler 300 beat it!!

    Complaints centering around needlessly complex I-Drive functions, indirect handling and butt-ugly (literally) styling.

    In Consumer Reports, it's much the same story: poor reliability and I-Drive madness topping the list.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Funny thing, I was just talking with my business partner not five minutes ago, and we were talking about the fact that the leases on both of our cars end within the next 10 months. He is probably going to get the 300C or the Hemi Magnum, and I'm keeping the E39. Given that the number of miles that I drive per year has dropped to less than 12K since we moved here to NH (I've been driving lots of rental cars elsewhere though), I figure that I can probably hold on to my 2002 until the next generation 5-Series (E71 or some such number) comes out. As for the E60, as it sits now, there won't be darkening the doorway to my garage anytime soon. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    Aren't you glad you got the E39? In Road & Track, a disastrous 6th place finish for the E60 among seven mid-sized 6 cylinder luxury cars. Even the Chrysler 300 beat it!!

    But it's not based on performance. It's the usual lame stuff car mags do to come off as unbiased.

    Complaints centering around needlessly complex I-Drive functions,

    That one makes me rolls my eyes every time I see it. Car mag writers must be flat out idiots. I drove my bro-in-laws 745i and within a few minutes of tinkering I could get to whatever I needed quickly and without hesitation. Anytime I see this criticism I know the rest of the review isn't worth salt.

    indirect handling

    Heard many complaints about the active stuff at slow speeds but not heard anyone say it's odd at fast speeds. I gotta drive one...

    and butt-ugly (literally) styling.

    Don't care about styling. It's the least important thing to me when buying a car.

    Mag reviews...useless. And I felt this way BEFORE owning a bimmer too.
  • memphis10memphis10 Posts: 161
    Drove the 530 SMG at the BMW charity "ultimate drive event". The cars were from BMWNA so there was no car salesman riding with me. Besides, the route was a curvy 10 mile road. I really liked the steering and handling of the E60 - 530. The active steering is quite different from the normal steering. It was tight and precise, but the feedback was slightly muted. I really like it and was wondering why some of the car mags trashed it so bad. The handling was suprisingly nice but this was the first 5 series I had driven and I was expecting it to be more in lines of the 7 series. I was hoping that the style would grow on me but it hasn't happened yet. It is butt ugly. But overall I feel it is a nice ugly car.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    &#147;"indirect handling"

    Heard many complaints about the active stuff at slow speeds but not heard anyone say it's odd at fast speeds. I gotta drive one...&#148;

    Fast speeds? Countless! Even the std steering w/ fixed ratio, which isn't as bad, isn't as communicative as before, at least compare to the ones w/ rack & pinion. Of course, the old 540i's steering w/o rack & pinion was numb enough.

    Since I eliminate cars over 180" long, I don't keep most of the related articles.
  • memphis10memphis10 Posts: 161
    Thinking about installing a clutch stop for an E46 325i. Any suggestions on UUC or Rogue. Any warranty issues with having one. Do I have to mess with the guard switch thats tied to the clutch to prevent the engine to start with the clutch out.
  • bmw323isbmw323is Posts: 410
    I'm going to the "Ultimate Drive" tomorrow and hope to drive the E60 with Active Steering and I-drive. I wouldn't consider buying a 5 series, but I want to know first-hand about these features since they will likely make there way to the 3 series and I'll be ready for a new 3 in a few years.

    I might be able to live with the "butt" of the E60, but I cannot get past those terrible eyebrows. What were they thinking?
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    Still don't get the obsession with the outside of cars. I bought the car for how it felt while driving. The exterior? I'm not a socal modder, so it really doesn't matter.

    Then again, I'm prone to wearing torn jeans, old t-shirts and in general offering enough of a juxtaposition that someone has the gall to ask at least once a month if my 330i is actually my car.
  • brislance1brislance1 Posts: 87
    I have an 03 330i with sport and premium package and am experiencing some annoying tire noise at low speeds. I stopped at two tire shops today and was told my tires are beginning to cup somewhat and that that they should be rotated. How do you rotate sport package tires when the tires are different sizes on the front and rear? I have always been told never to rotate tires on a BMW. The car only has 9,000 miles on it. Anyone have any suggestions? I suspect there is no warranty from BMW on tires. How about Continental Tire Company?
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