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BMW 3-Series 2005 and earlier



  • ttennttenn Posts: 11
    I am ready to order a 330Ci. However, I made an offer to John Roberts BMW for $1200 over invoice and they flat out refused. Any other places y'all (I'm from Texas) would recommend. I tried to e-mail the place in Tyler, but their server was down.
  • jean7of9jean7of9 Posts: 192
    Is the "L" available for the 3 series like 330xi or applicable to the 5 only. That will be a welcomed choice for a 03 330xi, at any price.
    The interior noise can be decreased substantially for the 3.0l engine but technically will never go down to 0dB while the engine is running at idle. Just for reference the noise level of an A4 3.0l at idle is 50dB while an ES-300 is 47dB. BMW will not be able to reach 47 dB without substantial redesign to the engine and cabin. By the way the level of A4 3.0l at 60 MPH is 73 dB while Jaguar-X 3.0l is 74.
    The main reason for the success of Corolla during the last ten years is that Toyota are using the same multilayer alloy of Lexus on their Fire Wall at a hefty price. Aston Martin found it cheaper to use Electronic Noise Cancelling Wave emitted through the speakers instead of re designing cabin and engine.
    Shipo: Do you have the data for BMW? It is hard to find any such data from BMW or MB.
  • postoakpostoak Posts: 537
    Better to just call my salesman, Jeff Sims, at the Temple dealership: 254-771-0128. I just got into their website though. You might also want to try the Tyler dealership and the one in Beaumont.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Sorry, just the general stuff from the rumor mill.

    Best Regards,
  • nerdnerd Posts: 203
    You can call the dealer in Tyler at 800-306-8891. FAX number is 903-534-5972. The BMW salesperson/manager is Dave Hill; his extension is 307. My wife had a great buying experience there. (I think their server is permanently broken.

    BTW, a couple of weeks ago he had a couple of convertibles in the showroom. Both had the special cinnamon color leather seats. Wow!
  • jmestas1jmestas1 Posts: 4
    I'm currently in the market for a BMW 3 series, but i wanted some input whether or not to go for a fully loaded 325ci or go with a 330ci with less options. Specifically I'm looking at a 325ci w/everything including navigation or a 330ci with sport package and sunroof, xenon, and upgraded stereo. They are roughly the same price. Does anyone out there have a BMW Navigation system? I'd really appreciate some input as to whether or not it is worth the extra 2K. If BMW made a 325Ci with AWD I'd be in heaven. Thanks for any input!!! Should I be looking at a IS300 or G35??? It seems as though there is so much competition in that market segment, but BMW seems to be #1 on everyone's list.
  • dan__2dan__2 Posts: 13
    take those cars out for a test drive. i did not like the IS300 at all, but the G35 was OK. G35 exterior is nothing compared to the BMW though, and frankly the driver/road connection just isn't there on the G35 like it is w/the BMW. The G35 coupe looks pretty good in the pictures, i wonder how that will drive. i'm no expert by any means, these are just my personal impressions.
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Posts: 2,698
    ... as the chlorine for the gene pool: it sends the Camry type driver back to Camry instead of contaminating the 3-series ownership pool with more passengers. Same with the heavy steering and everything else that adds to the sporty feel. You take these away from the 3-series, you end up with just another average boring car that ends up with no brand loyalty in the end. fwiw, my 325i has a lot more growl now at 21K miles than it did back when it was new. You need to be able to hear the car so you'd connect with it better. Idle and coasting noise are almost non-existent. Just the way it should be - it's the engine growl that matters.

    mg330ci - lol, that was a good one.

    allano/bmw323is - all true. In addition, the sport package was reduced by $100 to $1,400 with the '01 MY model.

    dan__2 - The G35 couple looks great on the pictures I've seen so far. I think it will be a viable competitor for the 3-series coupe.

    jmestas1 - what do you want a BMW for? Because "BMW seems to be #1 on everyone's list" is not a good reason.
  • jmestas1jmestas1 Posts: 4
    Brave1heart, I started driving on a 87 taurus and quickly moved up to a 95 maxima, i'm looking at a for something that fun to drive and makes me feel i'm connected to the road. The body roll in the maxima is too much and the steering is loose. I'm 23 and have dreamed of owning a BMW ever since I was in Germany traveling on the Autobahn, the cars can flat out move. I'm going to be putting roughly 60% down, and am inticipating spending 40K. My major question is whether or not it is worth it to pimp out a 325Ci, or to go for the bigger engine. I'm not a big fan of leather, so i'm perfectly content with the leathette. I'd go for a 325Ci with sport package, xenon, manual tranny, heated seats, navigation, sunroof, ect.., the other option is a 330Ci, with the sport package, xenon, sunroof, and upgraded stereo. The 325Ci is a bit cheaper but i'm willing to spend the extra $$$ to get more HP. My father owned a 911 Turbo and swears by them, but for now i'm looking at the 3 series. I'd love to jump into a 530i but as it is i'm already over spending. Any thoughts????
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,111
    It seems that you've been to Germany, so I'd advise picking up a 330Ci with whatever you want in it via the European Delivery Program. You can probably get a 330Ci with some decent options for well under $40K.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "...the other option is a 330Ci, with the sport package, xenon, sunroof, and upgraded stereo."

    The 330Ci comes with the upgraded Harman Kardon audio system as standard equipment.

    Best Regards,
  • colt007colt007 Posts: 64
    When asked for a last remark, the german representative claimed "This will be the Cadillac of all BMWs"

    How funny (or sad) is this line?

  • brislance1brislance1 Posts: 87
    Several people have posted asking about the bra-nosemask for the 3 series. Since I drive from Minnesota to Tucson round trip each year I did purchase a bra from BMW for my 323I when I took delivery in June of 00. The first time I tried to use the bra, I found it difficult to fit it properly. The main problem seemed to be that the lower part of the bra that is supposed to fit over the fender and onto a strip of velcro mounted on the inside of the fender between the hood and the fender made the material so thick that the hood would not close. I solved this problem by not using the velcro strips and instead cut two pieces of ductape about six inches long and used them to hold the bra in place as it fit over the fenders. This made that area less thick and I easily was able to close the hood. I have used this method for two years now and have no chips on the front of the car.

    I also found that if, prior to mounting, I left the bra in the hot sun for 15 minutes the upper part fit better on the hood. It was more snug.

    One other suggestion is to be sure to tighten the straps as tightly as possible and after driving the car several miles, re-tighten them again. Never leave the bra on for long periods of time as wetness can cause paint to fade.

    If I were to do it all over again, I would probably order a Colgan bra through I did get mirror bras from them that really work great. I did this because the mirrors on one of my other cars really got chipped coming across the desert. Hope this helps. Funny what a little ductape will do!
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Posts: 2,698
    I can pick a girlfriend for you too but you may not necessarily like her ;o) Go with whatever fits your preferences and budget better. I'd think that if you're only 23 and this is your first BMW, you'd be very happy with the performance of the 325 manual with sport package. You will also have a much better chance of living to see your 25-th birthday with the slower (only relative to the 330) 325.
  • nerdnerd Posts: 203
    I'll try your suggestion on the duct tape. did you fasten the hooks underneath the front of the car?

    I found that putting the top part in the clothes dryer for a couple of minutes heats it nicely. Heating it did make installation easier, but it still flapped at high speed especially in a headwind.
  • brislance1brislance1 Posts: 87

    I used ductape on the velcro tabs under the front of the car too. You could also go to a dry goods store and buy some velcro that you could leave on the underside permanently. You can attach the tabs to the velcro each time you mount the bra. Good luck.
  • seivwrigseivwrig Posts: 388
    I'll add to Brave and NYC. Do the ED, find a dealer that will give you at least $1500 above invoice and then consider the following:
    a BMW 325Ci with SP, Moonroof, Xenon, Power Seats, OBC,HK and paint with D&H $28770 invoice + 1500 = $30270. (With NAV $31910).
    a BMW 330Ci with SP, Moonroof, Xenon, 18" wheels, paint with D&H $33640 invoice + $1500 = $35140. (With NAV $36780).
    If you are not married skip the NAV.
    Note: With the NAV, you will have to buy a CD changer. BMW sells this for $595. This does not include installation. Also with ED, you will get floormats, a first aid kit and a safety triangle. If you don't do ED, try to negotiate for free floormats and other things, if possible.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Seivwrig writes, "If you are not married skip the NAV."

    IMHO, NAV has a relative value depending upon the person. In my case, I don't think I would pay $200 for an integrated NAV system in a car (even though I would gladly pay $12,000 for an integrated GPS "Moving Map" Nav/Com for an airplane). On the other hand, I would gladly pay $1,200 to $1,500 for an integrated NAV system for my wife's car. While I consider Mrs. Shipo to be a genius in many ways, she has actually gotten lost driving to work, a place where she has worked for many years. ;-)

    Best Regards,
  • nerdnerd Posts: 203
    I'll try your ideas.

    I looked at the Colgan mask at They appear to have heavier weights on the hood cover - might be less prone to flap.

    I think I'll get a pair of the mirror masks.
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