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Lexus ES 300/ES 330

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  • alarmproalarmpro Posts: 27
    Has anyone installed an aftermarket security system in their ES300? The car seems to have many builtin security features, and I was thinking about an aftermarket alarm for added security.
  • rparisrparis Posts: 368
    I recently purchased a 2003 ES. Are any present owners of 2002 or 2003 models using 87 octane gas? If so how is it?
  • alarmproalarmpro Posts: 27
    I put my first tank of gas last night. I used 87 octaine Amoco. I'll let you know how it is doing, Im going on a short trip tomorrow.
    I paid $1.799 / gal.
  • bmwongbmwong Posts: 1
    My mother just got a 2003 ES300 for Christmas and has about 800 miles on it. The leather on the left side of the driver's seat (seating portion, not back support bolster) is starting to show folds. Is this normal? It would seem that the leather is really soft for this to happen so soon. And my mother is only 130 lbs and 5'3".

    Any thoughts?

    Thanks.
  • argentargent Posts: 176
    If the powertrain on the ES330 is the same as the RX330, with 20-30 more hp, more torque, and revised gear ratios to take advantage of the altered power curve, I'd expect it to knock about half a second off the 0-60 acceleration times, which would be noticeable, but not dramatic.
     
    I think the idea would be more that it would make the ES more competitive in acceleration with its competitors, rather than that it would be dramatically faster than previous model years. If you drove a 2003 and 2004 back to back, you'd notice the increase, but it probably wouldn't be a major difference. The key is to make sure that the 2004 model doesn't feel too noticeably slower than 2004 325is, Acura TLs, and Audi A4s.
  • mang3mang3 Posts: 4
    No. I have over 11000 on my 2002 ES 300, and no wear in my leather seats, still looks showroom. Are you in a cold weather area? That could make a difference? Also is it garaged, and when outside does she keep the sunroof closed and a shade in the windshield? The ES has the exact same leather as the LS, very nice, and it shouldn't wear that quickly??
  • mang3mang3 Posts: 4
    I use premium gas, and when I drive with the windows down, I can still here some knocking under hard acceleration. Transmission is starting to shift hard again now that the weather is warming up also, I think it has to do with the AC being on, and the shifting programming not accounting for the extra load on the engine with the AC on. Borrowed a friends 2002 Silverado the other day, it shifts smoother than the ES once it is warmed up. Pretty pathetic. I also have the Toyo tires, I've had them rotated every 5K, tires are starting to make WAY too much noise, and are scalloping. They are crap. Can't wait for them to wear out and put some Bridgestone Turenzas on it. Has anybody changed out their tires early and received any credit for the crappy wear on the Toyos?
  • daytona01daytona01 Posts: 46
    Dealer says it will be more expensive if I choose silver color... (their explain: b/c silver is a popular color they can easily sell to others)

    I thought: if silver is a popular color
    => Dealer should have a lot of silver on stock
    => supply and demand are balance
    => price for silver should be the same (or may be even cheaper) as other colors

    Does dealer explain really make sense ????

    I'm planning to get Silver with black leather...
    What color combine do you think is the best ?
  • vchengvcheng Posts: 1,284
    The dealer's explanation is perfectly logical. It means how much are you willing to pay for a car that you like while the dealer maximizes his profits.
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    The dealer is giving you a bunch of bull. The color should not affect price at all. Have the dealer give you a price on a non-silver car and take that to the sales manager and say that's what you will pay for a silver one and no more. Or go to a different dealer.

    By the way, my ES is also silver w/black interior. I especially love the black interior - I thinks it looks so much better than ivory or gray.
  • vchengvcheng Posts: 1,284
    ...was tongue-in-cheek. Of course the dealer will dish out any crap to maximize his profits! Don't fall for this or anything similar.
  • daytona01daytona01 Posts: 46
    "Except silver.. they have more room to discount for other colors..."
    that is what they said
    => (indirectly) asking more for silver color

    lenscap: What year you have ? how is your ES ?... any problem with transmission ? ... thanks..
  • atoewsatoews Posts: 637
    Not entirely, it seems. Check out the Edmund's price quotes. The color differential is included in the quote.
  • kreativkreativ Posts: 299
    Certain popular colors command a higher price...that is, if you allow the dealer to convince you of such. If the salesman gets you convinced that the color you want costs more and there's nothing you can do about it, he's got the upper hand. Prices are always negotiable. The more they sense you want it, the more money they'll be able to milk out of you.
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    My ES is a 2002, that I got in February 2002. Prior to this car I had a 1995 ES. The car is fabulous in every way. If I had to do it over again today I'd still buy this car in a heartbeat.

    And no, I have not had any of the transmission issues that some people seem to have.
  • the cup holders on my 92 es300 seems to be stuck, what's the easiest way to get them to work
  • rtorrecartorreca Posts: 74
    I recently sent another complaint to Lexus customer service regarding the transmission problems I was experiencing (shuddering, hesitations, etc) and yesterday I received a letter from them. The letter says they are doing everything they can to fix the issue. They also offered $2000 towards a new Toyota or Lexus vehicle as a way of apologizing for my dissatisfaction with their vehicle. Has anybody received this after talking to customer service and actually used it? I'm a bit tempted to trade my ES with a Camry XLE. I'm still taking a big hit on the depreciation but $2000 softens the blow a tiny bit.
  • atoewsatoews Posts: 637
    It seems that over the last year, you and texas83 have expressed the most negative assessments of the transmission of all the posters at Edmunds on this site. I am amazed that your respective posts never seem to coincide.

    texas83 went through the entire gamut of trying to get retribution through the Texas Lemon Law. He really raised hell with all the legal force at his disposal. I believe he was offered a similar deal to your own. Oh, yes, I recall that Lexus offered him a trade on another new Lexus ES300 for the amount of his loan remaining.

    I responded by saying that I did not know what good that would do, since a new Lexus ES300 would likely have the same problem.

    If I were you, I would be curious to correspond with him. The posts still exist on this site, although I do not know exactly in what time frame they occurred. I believe his posts occurred around March 5, on pages 179-180, around msg 3560.

    A couple of posters said that their dealers told them that a fix was due in July, but we have heard similar stories before.

    Someone recommended that texas83 wait for the '04 ES330.

    As a caution - don't wait too long if you want a Camry. I understand that Camry may be going to a 5 speed transmission.

    Good luck.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The Camry is not going to a 5sp automatic, IT HAS GONE TO a 5sp automatic/VVTi V6 already.

    ~alpha
  • sopecreeksopecreek Posts: 203
    If I remember correctly, ryoteca or someone else who was having the tranny issue did drive the 5spd AT Camry with V6 and found no tranny issue with the car. I think that's what made the person more unhappy at the time.
  • rtorrecartorreca Posts: 74
    (thanks for the advise atoews)

    When I called customer service last week, they told me the same thing - a fix is due in July. Don't hold your breath. This is BS because if that was the official company line, then all dealerships will tell us the same thing. So far my dealership says Lexus told them they can't fix it because "that's how it's supposed to drive." Huh?! Do they mean to say that a 35K lux car is supposed to drive worse than a 15K corolla?!

    The rep also told me that this is a known issue in 02 models but not in 03, which I think is another load of BS since they share the same transmission software.

    I've always believed that the issue is beyond a software fix and that Lexus just can't afford to recall all the defective cars so they just offer rebates to appease the owner.
  • joker2108joker2108 Posts: 30
    Will the Es330 becoming out this year?

    What will be the features

    thanks
  • topper8topper8 Posts: 5
    Good Morning to all...

    Looking for a little help if possible. From where I live on LI I am about the same distance from 3 Lexus dealers. They are in Glen Cove,Smithtown, and Massapequa. Was looking for any pros or cons on which one I should buy from or not buy from as the case may be. Thanks in advance for your help it is appreciated.
  • jimbresjimbres Posts: 2,025
    We live in Huntington &, like you, are equidistant from those 3 dealerships. We bought our ES from Rallye in Glen Cove - this was in early '99 - & had a pleasant buying experience. Can't comment about the service department because our car has been absolutely problem-free. (A local independent shop handles routine maintenance.)

    Don't be bashful about playing 1 dealership against the others during the negotiation phase. When our Rallye salesman insisted that he couldn't drop the price any further, we stood up, thanked him for his time & said that we were late for a lunch date with old friends in Massapequa. 15 minutes later, we had a deal.
  • topper8topper8 Posts: 5
    Thanks for the timely reply. Much appreciated. Trust me I will have no problem pitting one dealer against another.
    ..Thanks again
  • I also have the transmission problems and have been worried that it will fail. Some claim that it is annoying. I am in that camp, but am also wondering if anyone has heard of a 2002 or 2003 ES300 transmission completly failing?
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    As far as I know the reliability of the transmission is not an issue. There have not been any premature failures that I'm aware of.
  • gekko2gekko2 Posts: 87
    es300trans -

    try to lower your anxiety level and relax and enjoy your car. you own the best-built, smoothest, most-reliable vehicle brand ever built.
  • neuroguyneuroguy Posts: 34
    2002 ES 300, 6K miles - had the steering wheel vibration when lightly applying brakes that has been mentioned here before, at least as far back as July of last year. Called Hendrick Lexus here in Charlotte, NC and they immediately recognized the problem, said there was a TSB (Technical Service Bulletin) about it, and had an appointment within two days. They gave me a nice dark red '02 ES 300 as a loaner for the day. Had my car back within 24 hours and all is fixed! They even topped off my washer fluid - which is very nice since it's pine tree pollen season here in Charlotte. Here are the details, in case anyone else is having the same problem:

    TSB #BR2007 - Replace front rotors, pads, shims
    Work hours: 0.7
    Parts:
    08887-80609 Disk brake caliper
    04002-17133 Repair kit, pad and disc
    Description: Warped rotors/needs update/performed brake update per TSB

    The reason for this problem as the service guys says, is the material of the brake rotors was not matched well with the rest of the braking components on the car, causing overheating and warping.

    Another great job by Hendrick Lexus - btw, owned by the same guy who owns the NASCAR team with Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, Terry Labonte, and Joe Nemechek. I'm driving a perfect car again! This has been only the second problem I've had in a Toyota product in 11 years of ownership. Quite the different experience from the ten problems with my previously-owned-for-five-months car, a '02 Jaguar X-Type. And the local Lexus dealership here is worlds better than the Jag dealership.

    The loaner car they gave me (12K miles) had the same problem with the brake vibration, only worse. They said they would fix it when they got the time. Also on the loaner were the Toyo Proxes tires - and they exhibited the very loud road noise that has also been mentioned here. The service dept. guy said that was also a known problem, and that the ES 300 will no longer be coming with the Toyo tires very soon. He also said that they take care of the problem if an owner complains, and that it should be taken care of as soon as it's noticed as it only gets worse. My car has the Toyo tires, but I do not have that problem. The service guy says that's because the loaner is probably driven harder than I drive my car.
  • gekko2:

    Some would argue against your claim of "best-built." For example, consumer reports has a number of 2002 cars in the same class ahead of the 2002 ES300 in terms of reliability including the Acura TL and Infiniti I35.

    Plus, I think that my question is not based on anxiety, just fact finding. For example, the Honda Odyssey has a transmisson that in some cases is known to fail prematurly (and is a five speed).
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